Why doesn't Tom Brady get the credit he deserves?

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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: lederhosen
Originally posted by: joshsquall
If McNabb was healthy, he would have had the best season. He'd be at about 4500 yards, with 30 TDs and 16 INTs. Probably more, if he hadn't sucked it up after getting the hernia and myriad other injuries.

Tell me you are joking. 4500 yards? Without any decent wideouts? Put down the pipe, sir.

Um... he had 2507 yards in about 8.5 games.

With TO playing in how many of those 8.5 games?
 

rsd

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Originally posted by: CheapArse
Originally posted by: rsd
Originally posted by: CheapArse
Originally posted by: rsd
Man oh man where to begin...

Palmer---Please, I think McGhee is still running back that interception for a TD

Manning--Yes Nice Stats, 0 rings

Brady--He HAS carried the team this season despite all the injuries and such. He is easily the MVP (whether he wins it or not is a joke)

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McNabb--5 letters...NAACP :p

Please jump off the band wagon. Brady gets enough credit but he doesn't deserve the MVP. He is leading his team becuase that is what he should be doing, he is the QB. Everyone is always quick to point out the injuries and play the "what if" game and swear the Pats would win again "if"....

Injuries happen, get the fvck over it already.


Oh believe me I am quite over it, as the Patriots begin the steamroller for the play offs. I think this will be the ultimate show of "who is better" if they do win it this year.

Oh and besides injuries, how about losing both your OC and DC? Uhh..yeah

Pats will go home 1st round, sorry buddy.

Marked for 2 weeks from now. Give me the Pats in foxborough any day of the week in the playoffs. Brr...its gettin' mighty cold up here.

Oh and it doesn't count if it is only wishful thinking.
 
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Originally posted by: rsd
Originally posted by: CheapArse
Originally posted by: rsd
Originally posted by: CheapArse
Originally posted by: rsd
Man oh man where to begin...

Palmer---Please, I think McGhee is still running back that interception for a TD

Manning--Yes Nice Stats, 0 rings

Brady--He HAS carried the team this season despite all the injuries and such. He is easily the MVP (whether he wins it or not is a joke)

Edit:

McNabb--5 letters...NAACP :p

Please jump off the band wagon. Brady gets enough credit but he doesn't deserve the MVP. He is leading his team becuase that is what he should be doing, he is the QB. Everyone is always quick to point out the injuries and play the "what if" game and swear the Pats would win again "if"....

Injuries happen, get the fvck over it already.


Oh believe me I am quite over it, as the Patriots begin the steamroller for the play offs. I think this will be the ultimate show of "who is better" if they do win it this year.

Oh and besides injuries, how about losing both your OC and DC? Uhh..yeah

Pats will go home 1st round, sorry buddy.

Marked for 2 weeks from now.

:D:beer:
 

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Originally posted by: shamrock1313
Originally posted by: joshsquall
If McNabb was healthy, he would have had the best season. He'd be at about 4500 yards, with 30 TDs and 16 INTs. Probably more, if he hadn't sucked it up after getting the hernia and myriad other injuries.
That is nothing. If Marc Bulger of the St. Louis Rams didn't get hurt against the Colts, he would of had a record breaking season. He would have went over 4500 yards, 50 touch downs, and the most completions ever topped with the best accuracy. Too bad he got hurt.

50 TD's? Are you on crack?
 

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Originally posted by: CheapArse
Originally posted by: shamrock1313
Originally posted by: joshsquall
If McNabb was healthy, he would have had the best season. He'd be at about 4500 yards, with 30 TDs and 16 INTs. Probably more, if he hadn't sucked it up after getting the hernia and myriad other injuries.
That is nothing. If Marc Bulger of the St. Louis Rams didn't get hurt against the Colts, he would of had a record breaking season. He would have went over 4500 yards, 50 touch downs, and the most completions ever topped with the best accuracy. Too bad he got hurt.

I agree here, if Bulger played all of the Rams' games he would have put up some strong numbers.
I doubt the Rams would have went anywhere in the playoffs though. Their defense is so weak it sickens me. They are my favorite team, and I think this year they had the best defensive players since their Superbowl win in '99 with Warner as their main man.
 

PowerEngineer

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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: CheapArse
Originally posted by: joshsquall
If McNabb was healthy, he would have had the best season. He'd be at about 4500 yards, with 30 TDs and 16 INTs. Probably more, if he hadn't sucked it up after getting the hernia and myriad other injuries.

Not without TO and with the drama TO brought to the team/organization.

He'll be fine next year, without TO. TO is a pain in the ass, and not even that great of a receiver.. he seems to have alligator arms pretty often. His main advantage is his size.

McNabb and the Eagles always have many excuses for the current year and high expectations for the next!

:eek:
 

Gunslinger08

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Originally posted by: CheapArse
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: lederhosen
Originally posted by: joshsquall
If McNabb was healthy, he would have had the best season. He'd be at about 4500 yards, with 30 TDs and 16 INTs. Probably more, if he hadn't sucked it up after getting the hernia and myriad other injuries.

Tell me you are joking. 4500 yards? Without any decent wideouts? Put down the pipe, sir.

Um... he had 2507 yards in about 8.5 games.

With TO playing in how many of those 8.5 games?

TO had 763 yards. Reggie Brown has taken over for him and has 494 yards. It's not like TO is the only person who can catch a football and run.
 

rsd

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By the way, anyone else love all this football? :)

I wish the media up here in boston would shut up about the Red Sox once in a while (yes I love them, but it is December).

Now back to your thread.
 

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Originally posted by: chuckywang
Originally posted by: shamrock1313
Originally posted by: joshsquall
If McNabb was healthy, he would have had the best season. He'd be at about 4500 yards, with 30 TDs and 16 INTs. Probably more, if he hadn't sucked it up after getting the hernia and myriad other injuries.
That is nothing. If Marc Bulger of the St. Louis Rams didn't get hurt against the Colts, he would of had a record breaking season. He would have went over 4500 yards, 50 touch downs, and the most completions ever topped with the best accuracy. Too bad he got hurt.

50 TD's? Are you on crack?

You understand he was on pace to break Marino's records and Manning's records this season?
 
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Originally posted by: chuckywang
Originally posted by: shamrock1313
Originally posted by: joshsquall
If McNabb was healthy, he would have had the best season. He'd be at about 4500 yards, with 30 TDs and 16 INTs. Probably more, if he hadn't sucked it up after getting the hernia and myriad other injuries.
That is nothing. If Marc Bulger of the St. Louis Rams didn't get hurt against the Colts, he would of had a record breaking season. He would have went over 4500 yards, 50 touch downs, and the most completions ever topped with the best accuracy. Too bad he got hurt.

50 TD's? Are you on crack?

He only played 8 games I think, it could have been done with Holt coming back.
 
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Originally posted by: shamrock1313
Originally posted by: CheapArse
Originally posted by: shamrock1313
Originally posted by: joshsquall
If McNabb was healthy, he would have had the best season. He'd be at about 4500 yards, with 30 TDs and 16 INTs. Probably more, if he hadn't sucked it up after getting the hernia and myriad other injuries.
That is nothing. If Marc Bulger of the St. Louis Rams didn't get hurt against the Colts, he would of had a record breaking season. He would have went over 4500 yards, 50 touch downs, and the most completions ever topped with the best accuracy. Too bad he got hurt.

I agree here, if Bulger played all of the Rams' games he would have put up some strong numbers.
I doubt the Rams would have went anywhere in the playoffs though. Their defense is so weak it sickens me. They are my favorite team, and I think this year they had the best defensive players since their Superbowl win in '99 with Warner as their main man.

Agreed again, their defense was a joke this year.
 
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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: CheapArse
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: lederhosen
Originally posted by: joshsquall
If McNabb was healthy, he would have had the best season. He'd be at about 4500 yards, with 30 TDs and 16 INTs. Probably more, if he hadn't sucked it up after getting the hernia and myriad other injuries.

Tell me you are joking. 4500 yards? Without any decent wideouts? Put down the pipe, sir.

Um... he had 2507 yards in about 8.5 games.

With TO playing in how many of those 8.5 games?

TO had 763 yards. Reggie Brown has taken over for him and has 494 yards. It's not like TO is the only person who can catch a football and run.

No one is saying that. Reggie Brown is not going to catch a pass at the 10 yard line and take it down for a TD either. TO was and will be a play maker. The Eagles don't need him, but without him and the all the drama...they were going no where.
 

chuckywang

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Originally posted by: CheapArse
Originally posted by: chuckywang
Originally posted by: shamrock1313
Originally posted by: joshsquall
If McNabb was healthy, he would have had the best season. He'd be at about 4500 yards, with 30 TDs and 16 INTs. Probably more, if he hadn't sucked it up after getting the hernia and myriad other injuries.
That is nothing. If Marc Bulger of the St. Louis Rams didn't get hurt against the Colts, he would of had a record breaking season. He would have went over 4500 yards, 50 touch downs, and the most completions ever topped with the best accuracy. Too bad he got hurt.

50 TD's? Are you on crack?

He only played 8 games I think, it could have been done with Holt coming back.

14 TD's in 8 games...Do you think Holt would really have given him an extra 11 TD's in those games?
 
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Originally posted by: chuckywang
Originally posted by: CheapArse
Originally posted by: chuckywang
Originally posted by: shamrock1313
Originally posted by: joshsquall
If McNabb was healthy, he would have had the best season. He'd be at about 4500 yards, with 30 TDs and 16 INTs. Probably more, if he hadn't sucked it up after getting the hernia and myriad other injuries.
That is nothing. If Marc Bulger of the St. Louis Rams didn't get hurt against the Colts, he would of had a record breaking season. He would have went over 4500 yards, 50 touch downs, and the most completions ever topped with the best accuracy. Too bad he got hurt.

50 TD's? Are you on crack?

He only played 8 games I think, it could have been done with Holt coming back.

14 TD's in 8 games...Do you think Holt would really have given him an extra 11 TD's in those games?

Maybe, look at Chambers for MIA? Things could have really started to click. Never say never...
 

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Yes with ease. Holt and Bruce are known playmakers. The Rams have the best recieving core in the NFL. They just need a good QB, such as Bulger, to give them the rock. Notice when Fitzpatrick was in, he threw mostly to Kevin Curtis. When Jamie Martin came back in, he threw to Holt all the time. That is why Holt had 165 yards and a touchdown Saturday. Bulger could have easily given him the rock enough to break the TD record.
 

Gunslinger08

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Originally posted by: CheapArse
No one is saying that. Reggie Brown is not going to catch a pass at the 10 yard line and take it down for a TD either. TO was and will be a play maker. The Eagles don't need him, but without him and the all the drama...they were going no where.

You seem to be arguing about the Eagles horrible season, while I'm arguing about McNabb's projected numbers. Let's just compromise: The Eagles blew this season, and Donny is a great QB.
 

He gets plenty of credit, actually most sportsnews organizations constantly hum on his and the patriots nuts. It's the same thing with Bret Favre.

Reality is the patriots are having a mediocre season where they can still win their division with a pisspoor 10 wins on the season.
 

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The Eagles should have made another Superbowl run. If it wasn't for Madden 06 with Donny as the cover man, they would have, too. Damn Madden curse.. I thought Ray Lewis broke it, too, but I guess I was wrong.
 
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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: CheapArse
No one is saying that. Reggie Brown is not going to catch a pass at the 10 yard line and take it down for a TD either. TO was and will be a play maker. The Eagles don't need him, but without him and the all the drama...they were going no where.

You seem to be arguing about the Eagles horrible season, while I'm arguing about McNabb's projected numbers. Let's just compromise: The Eagles blew this season, and Donny is a great QB.

I agree with the latter, what I am saying is that there is no way McNabb would have put up your projected numbers this season. I am NOT saying McNabb can't do it, just that he wouldn't have done it this season even if he stayed healthy.
 

Gunslinger08

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Originally posted by: shamrock1313
The Eagles should have made another Superbowl run. If it wasn't for Madden 06 with Donny as the cover man, they would have, too. Damn Madden curse.. I thought Ray Lewis broke it, too, but I guess I was wrong.

Nah.. the front office made some poor decisions. The Eagles are lacking in a lot of areas. Their defense is weak, with the loss of Reese, Simon, and Burgess. Their offense is weak with a pass-only game plan, WR issues, and run-blocking problems. Their STs have picked it up, but they were fumbling all over the place earlier this season. They need to make a lot of changes/upgrades this offseason if they want to compete next year.
 

Gunslinger08

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Originally posted by: CheapArse
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: CheapArse
No one is saying that. Reggie Brown is not going to catch a pass at the 10 yard line and take it down for a TD either. TO was and will be a play maker. The Eagles don't need him, but without him and the all the drama...they were going no where.

You seem to be arguing about the Eagles horrible season, while I'm arguing about McNabb's projected numbers. Let's just compromise: The Eagles blew this season, and Donny is a great QB.

I agree with the latter, what I am saying is that there is no way McNabb would have put up your projected numbers this season. I am NOT saying McNabb can't do it, just that he wouldn't have done it this season even if he stayed healthy.

I think he could have done it, if healthy. Andy Reid would have kept up the 80% passing attack, because he's an idiot. They still wouldn't have won games, but McNabb would have posted great numbers. Just like Marino.. individual players can have great stats, but still have horrible teams.
 

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That is true. They do have Brian Westbrook who is one of the best all-around backs in the league. They just don't utilize him in the run game enough. Hopefully, they start up with that three-headed run game they had a year or two ago when they had Westbrook, Staley, and Buckhalter. That was a good team. They just needed wideouts. Offensively, McNabb needs to start scrambling again. He makes poor decisions when he tries to stay in the pocket and throw it.
 

Gunslinger08

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Originally posted by: shamrock1313
That is true. They do have Brian Westbrook who is one of the best all-around backs in the league. They just don't utilize him in the run game enough. Hopefully, they start up with that three-headed run game they had a year or two ago when they had Westbrook, Staley, and Buckhalter. That was a good team. They just needed wideouts. Offensively, McNabb needs to start scrambling again. He makes poor decisions when he tries to stay in the pocket and throw it.

I agree. Westbrook, Moats, and a big smash-mouth RB would make for a solid running game - and Westbrook and Moats can both catch the ball, too. I'd like to see them pick up Reggie Wayne as well. I think he could be a solid, veteran #1 receiver. McNabb also needs to get it out of his head that everyone laughs at him for being a black QB that can run the ball.
 

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Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
I wouldn't say Brady gets no recognition, nobody I know thinks of Brady as a subpar quarterback. However, when you compare him to Manning it is quite clear that Manning is the better all-around quarterback. The Patriots are largely successful for their team game, in addition to Brady's well-rounded play and that is why he doesn't get MVP consideration. Peyton can literally carry his team on his back when needed.

What has brady been doing with all the injuries that have decimated the Patriots? Peyton is a great quarterback, but how good would he be without Harrison, Wayne, Stokley, or James to set up the play-action?
 

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Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
I wouldn't say Brady gets no recognition, nobody I know thinks of Brady as a subpar quarterback. However, when you compare him to Manning it is quite clear that Manning is the better all-around quarterback. The Patriots are largely successful for their team game, in addition to Brady's well-rounded play and that is why he doesn't get MVP consideration. Peyton can literally carry his team on his back when needed.

What has brady been doing with all the injuries that have decimated the Patriots? Peyton is a great quarterback, but how good would he be without Harrison, Wayne, Stokley, or James to set up the play-action?

Probably still the best QB. You see his accuracy on all of his passes. He probably has the best touch I have ever seen.