Why doesnt the government mandate or subsidize daycare?

[Texashiker]

Or you could go after the root cause of the issue which is young, uneducated, unmarried people having children they cannot afford.

Troll, this thread is way over your head. Come back when you get some real life experience.

Troll, have you ever been laid off? A company you work for ever go out of business? Maybe budget cutbacks forced the company to let you go?

When Enron went under I was doing computer work in the north houston area. One day I was sent out to a house in an upper income area of kingwood. The guy had worked at enron, was an upper manager and had lost his job. His wife was working, but she did not make enough to even cover the house note, much less the car notes, electric bill, insurance,,,,.

Sometimes, people through no fault of their own are cast into poverty.

Sometimes people make poor decisions, like having more kids then they can afford.

Sometimes factories close and move to china and you have to be retrained for a job.

In 1999 I had a nice job, but some poor decisions on upper management forced 20% of the employees to be let go, I was one of them.

One day everything is nice and rosy, the next day the rug is pulled out from under you.

 

[Uhtrinity]

And how many people do you think become single parents, because there spouse dies?

And you do realize that if that was the primary reason that people became single parents it might be a lot easier to extract sympathy and support?

Not implying it is the primary reason, just trying to point out that the world isn't as black and white as some would like to paint it.

 

[soulcougher73]

I take it you do not understand sarcasm.

So you would agree the sizeable numbers of people are CHOOSING to get divorced even though they are not abused.

And that therefore these people are CHOOSING poverty for the sake of their happiness :\

I am fine with people CHOOSING to do whatever they want. Its not my life. Who am i to tell people what to do or how to live? I know id be pissed if that was happening to me.

 

[nehalem256]

Troll, this thread is way over your head. Come back when you get some real life experience.

Oh, so we want to play who can tell the better sob story?

Have you ever had to look after your 2 younger half-brothers, because their mom abandoned them and your dad was dying of leukemia?

Yeah, maybe you should just stop making assumptions about people?

When Enron went under I was doing computer work in the north houston area. One day I was sent out to a house in an upper income area of kingwood. The guy had worked at enron, was an upper manager and had lost his job. His wife was working, but she did not make enough to even cover the house note, much less the car notes, electric bill, insurance,,,,.

And government subsidized daycare would have helped him how?...

Sometimes, people through no fault of their own are cast into poverty.

Sometimes people make poor decisions, like having more kids then they can afford.

Sometimes factories close and move to china and you have to be retrained for a job.

We could go off your ancedotal stories. Or we could go off cold hard facts

poverty
Married couples w/children: 8.8%
Single Father: 24.2%
Single Mother: 40.7%

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/cpstables/032011/pov/new07_100_01.htm

 

[nehalem256]

I am fine with people CHOOSING to do whatever they want. Its not my life. Who am i to tell people what to do or how to live? I know id be pissed if that was happening to me.

I am fine with people CHOOSING what they want in life as long as they dont expect me to pay for that CHOICE. Seems reasonable.

 

[Texashiker]

Not implying it is the primary reason, just trying to point out that the world isn't as black and white as some would like to paint it.

The life experiences of nehalem256

Basement - fridge - microwave - basement


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Article on CNN money that is related to this thread

Moms: 'I can't afford to work' - http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/18/pf/moms-work/index.htm?iid=EL

After factoring in the rising cost of child care, the daily commute and other work-related expenses, a growing number of mothers are figuring out that having a job just doesn't pay.

 

[soulcougher73]

Isnt it funny that feminists say women dont need a man, but yet they always seem to need THE man?

You do realize the term "THE man" doesnt refer to an actual male human being right? If you do, than you are just playing on words for no real reason.

 

[PricklyPete]

So if my wife and I choose for her to be a stay at home mom (or me a stay at home dad), we should also have to help support those families that choose to both work while having kids? Keep the government out of it.

 

[nehalem256]

The life experiences of nehalem256

Basement - fridge - microwave - basement


~ EDIT ~

Article on CNN money that is related to this thread

Moms: 'I can't afford to work' - http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/18/pf/moms-work/index.htm?iid=EL

Yes I saw that article before. What is your point. I mean other than that the feminist ideal of 2 working parents isnt actually very beneficial financially?

 

[Texashiker]

And government subsidized daycare would have helped him how?...

http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/18/pf/moms-work/index.htm?iid=EL

Andrea Hayken, 34, made about $45,000 a year as a third grade teacher in the Fairfax, Va. county public school system. But licensed daycare for her now four-year-old son would have cost $2,000 a month, eating up nearly half of her before-tax income.

Think about that for a minute, day care was taking about half of her income.

Why does one expense play such a huge part of our society?

 

[nehalem256]

So if my wife and I choose for her to be a stay at home mom (or me a stay at home dad), we should also have to help support those families that choose to both work while having kids? Keep the government out of it.

There is a reason that one of the biggest proponents of government provided day care are feminists.

 

[nehalem256]

http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/18/pf/moms-work/index.htm?iid=EL



Think about that for a minute, day care was taking about half of her income.

Why does one expense play such a huge part of our society?

And how would having the government make it any less a part of society? It would just redistribute the costs of it onto people who dont make use of it.

Stuff costs money. Maybe the government should just make everything available for free?

 

[a777pilot]

Idiots!

 

[EagleKeeper]

Or you could go after the root cause of the issue which is young, uneducated, unmarried people having children they cannot afford.

And until then.

Do you have the ability to throw $300 a week away?

One does not have to be uneducated to get caught in the system.
One can become unmarried for a multitude of reasons beyond their control.

The problem is to not encourage it and to allow them to recover rather than keep them down.

 

[JTsyo]

You do realize the term "THE man" doesnt refer to an actual male human being right? If you do, than you are just playing on words for no real reason.

he's saying woman don't need help from a male partner but will accept help from the government.

The government already helps by having daycare costs as a deduction in taxes. I don't know the real numbers but I wouldn't be surprised that for low income families they get most of the cost returned. There are alternatives to daycare. My SIL and her husband work alternate shifts to watch their daughter. It really sucks for them but they do what they have to. Of course if you're a single parent that's not an option but you can lean on family or friends to make it work.

I love the idea of punishing irresponsible people for their choices but the price on the kids isn't worth it. I would definitely support a birth control for welfare law.

 

[EagleKeeper]

And how many people do you think become single parents, because there spouse dies?

And you do realize that if that was the primary reason that people became single parents it might be a lot easier to extract sympathy and support?

Stats have shown that many marriages break up in the first 7 years.

So does one not get married at all and have kids outside of marriage just so they do not have to have a divorce.

After 7 years; most have 2 kids.

What originally held them together; no longer works. One is willing to tough it out; the other does not.
Yet you want to penalize the children and the parent for trying to make a marriage work.

 

[nehalem256]

Stats have shown that many marriages break up in the first 7 years.

So does one not get married at all and have kids outside of marriage just so they do not have to have a divorce.

After 7 years; most have 2 kids.

What originally held them together; no longer works. One is willing to tough it out; the other does not.
Yet you want to penalize the children and the parent for trying to make a marriage work.

Marriage is not just a 7 year contract. The problem is that society has accepted that people not "tough it out".

 

[nehalem256]

And until then.

Do you have the ability to throw $300 a week away?

$1200/month. Absolutely.

 

[EagleKeeper]

he's saying woman don't need help from a male partner but will accept help from the government.

The government already helps by having daycare costs as a deduction in taxes. I don't know the real numbers but I wouldn't be surprised that for low income families they get most of the cost returned. There are alternatives to daycare. My SIL and her husband work alternate shifts to watch their daughter. It really sucks for them but they do what they have to. Of course if you're a single parent that's not an option but you can lean on family or friends to make it work.

I love the idea of punishing irresponsible people for their choices but the price on the kids isn't worth it. I would definitely support a birth control for welfare law.

Daycare is a line item deductions.

If your tax rate is 30% - you get back 30% of up to 5K of expenses.
if your tax rate is 5% - you get back 5% of up to 5K of expenses - a whopping $250 - pays for 1 week of child care.

A single parent that has a child in daycare and trying to work/school is not interested in having another child; most would be willing to take the birth control during the time of support.

 

[Texashiker]

Marriage is not just a 7 year contract. The problem is that society has accepted that people not "tough it out".

Come back after your wife becomes bipolar and goes into screaming rage fits.

$1200/month. Absolutely.

Some of us do not live with mom and dad.

Some of us have bills, house note, car note, insurance, electric bill, food,,,.

That food in your moms fridge, it does not magically reproduce. Someone has to buy that food and put it there.

 

[Hacp]

Come back after your wife becomes bipolar and goes into screaming rage fits.




Some of us do not live with mom and dad.

Some of us have bills, house note, car note, insurance, electric bill, food,,,.

That food in your mom fridge, it does not magically reproduce.

Here are the facts. People who made correct choices in life don't want to subsidize people who were careless and didn't make correct choices. Why should a single young man who doesn't have any children need to pay the bill of a 23 year old single mother of 3? It just doesn't make sense.

I do agree that some people may have sympathy for this hypothetical woman and may want to help her. To that, I say you are perfectly welcome to assist this woman in any way you choose. There are charities and other non-profits you can donate to that will help people in the situations you described. And would I have any objection of the government setting up a volunteer fund, much like public financing for elections, to assist people in need at minimal cost to taxpayers? No, that is a great idea.

 

[nehalem256]

Why should a single young man who doesn't have any children need to pay the bill of a 23 year old single mother of 3? It just doesn't make sense.

Because women are not as able to get by without a man as feminists would have you believe?

 

[Texashiker]

Here are the facts. People who made correct choices in life don't want to subsidize people who were careless and didn't make correct choices. Why should a single young man who doesn't have any children need to pay the bill of a 23 year old single mother of 3? It just doesn't make sense.

Once again, as has been stated before, sometimes things are out of our control.

Sometimes spouses die, sometimes spouses get strung out on drugs and go to prison, sometimes spouses get sick,,,,. You could be driving home this evening when a drunk driver hits and kills you. But somehow that is a poor choice on your part?

I went to school with a guy who developed Pulmonary Fibrosis and died when he was only 39 years old. He left behind a wife and two children.

My exwife developed some kind of mental disorder where she would go into screaming rage fits. She refused to get help, I finally had enough and left.

Another guy I went to school with OD'ed on drugs and died at 40 years old.

We should not group people that try, and people that do not try into a single group.

 

[soulcougher73]

I would definitely support a birth control for welfare law.

Now that I'm on board with. Have even mentioned it a few times before.

 

[nehalem256]

Come back after your wife becomes bipolar and goes into screaming rage fits.

You know for the number of sobs stories you have... I am thinking you must have done something really bad in a past life :\