your just jealous
.... but you do make a good point about the hardware firewall, they aren't that much and this guy should have gotten one
your just jealous
.... but you do make a good point about the hardware firewall, they aren't that much and this guy should have gotten oneNo, you're just one of those people who would go crashing into a brick wall after buying a car, then blame the auto manufacturer because you don't know how to drive.
So if I buy a ford, forget to put gas in it, connect the battery backwards, put water in for oil, its Ford's fault when it doesn't run?
I don't have any problems running Windows on my PC's
and they're not infected, because I use Firefox, and because I have the proper software such as a Firewall (router) and AV.
nary an issue.
and they're not infected, because I use Firefox, and because I have the proper software such as a Firewall (router) and AV.
nary an issue.
Vic
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Wrong. Your attitude is more like:
Yay yay new car. Drive car off lot, failing to yield out of the parking lot, pull right in front of truck, Whaa whaa whaa it's all Ford's fault that I can't drive.
Bullsh!t.
I have broadband in my home. I run automated bi-weekly virus and spyware checks on all my rigs. I have never once had a single instance of virus or spyware infection. Never once.
You have the worst computer virus of all, of which there is no fix and never will be. Problem Exists Between Desk And Chair.
edit: fixed
i also think its funny how he talks about how great the core of his mac is, yet he doesn't even know how to reformate a computer by himself
It's not the ISP's responsibility to make sure that your computer is safe from that crap! They provide an internet connection, and that should be it. I worked for cable ISP's for years doing their top level tech support, their last-line-of-defense, as it were. ISP's that offer software for their connection are just... meh. Stupid. They need to offer *nothing* but the connection and the support for that connection. Everything else is just opening up a huge can of worms. I don't know how many times I've told customers "sorry, but your install of Windows isn't stable. Windows is a MS product, not a COMPANY-X product. You'll need to contact them for support." where "Company-X" was @Home, Comcast, Cox, AT&T, and a whole crapload of others.
ISPs are NOT software support companies, and they shouldn't be.
Vic
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Originally posted by: vi_edit
It's a PEBKAC error
Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair.
Bah! You can say it either way. Same damn thing. Idiots who should stick with typewriters
And I meant between Desk and Chair.
Damnit, idiots like that who don't take responsibility for their own stupidity really piss me off!Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: vi_edit
It's a PEBKAC error
Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair.
Bah! You can say it either way. Same damn thing. Idiots who should stick with typewriters
And I meant between Desk and Chair.
Yeah, really. Who sits between the keyboard and the desk? You'd have to make a 180-degree turn to go from typing to reading or reading to typing.
Phoenix86
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My ISP (charter) offers both for free, and that's the way to go. ISPs are not setup (staffed or skilled) to recieve support calls from AV and firewall software, so I don't think it should be required.
ISP should, however, be proactive in disconnecting known infected machines.
edit: There should be a law...
Vic
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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: vi_edit
It's a PEBKAC error
Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair.
Bah! You can say it either way. Same damn thing. Idiots who should stick with typewriters
And I meant between Desk and Chair.
Yeah, really. Who sits between the keyboard and the desk? You'd have to make a 180-degree turn to go from typing to reading or reading to typing.
:|
:beer:
I've never had problems with Windows. If one knows how to set it up and use a computer, he should be fine. It is easy for others to blame MS...
The only way you can compare a car and windows is like this:
You have take care of it. Simply using it everyday and doing dumb sh!t in it won't make it run better. You have to understand that from time to time, routine maintenance will be performed on it. Also, if you don't know how it works, you are more likely to screw something up. You get out of it what you put into it. You take care of it, it will take care of you. You ignore its warning signs, things will only get worse.
I love it when people say things like "It's making fun sounds" or "Everytime I start it, this happens, but I just ignore it and it goes away." HELLLLOOOO. This goes for cars AND computers. If you do either of these things, you don't deserve to use either device.
You have take care of it. Simply using it everyday and doing dumb sh!t in it won't make it run better. You have to understand that from time to time, routine maintenance will be performed on it. Also, if you don't know how it works, you are more likely to screw something up. You get out of it what you put into it. You take care of it, it will take care of you. You ignore its warning signs, things will only get worse.
I love it when people say things like "It's making fun sounds" or "Everytime I start it, this happens, but I just ignore it and it goes away." HELLLLOOOO. This goes for cars AND computers. If you do either of these things, you don't deserve to use either device.
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
My ISP (charter) offers both for free, and that's the way to go. ISPs are not setup (staffed or skilled) to recieve support calls from AV and firewall software, so I don't think it should be required.
ISP should, however, be proactive in disconnecting known infected machines.
edit: There should be a law...
That's the problem, though. If an ISP even *OFFERS* software, they need to support it. ISP's shouldn't offer software. They might recommend software, but they should not, in any way, provide it to their customers. They're *going* to get customers calling up and going "well you TOLD me to install it, so I did!" or "well you GAVE it to me, so I installed it!" without knowing the difference between a recommendation and a "yes, we designed and built everything we gave you so we're liable for what it does to your computer and will support it to your whining dumbass at all hours of the night."
Fvck that. I got through most of that "beginning" but I can tell that the guy writing it is just an idiot.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: If you can't use IE without getting spyware or adware, get off the fvcking internet.
What I don't understand is why the hell people read stuff like that. And why the hell the author thinks that heshould waste his time writing it.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: If you can't use IE without getting spyware or adware, get off the fvcking internet.
What I don't understand is why the hell people read stuff like that. And why the hell the author thinks that heshould waste his time writing it.
SBC Yahoo DSL actually does offer free anti-virus, that you don't have to use their crappy SBC software to use. When you select premium services when you activate your account, one option is getting Computer Associates eTrust anti-virus free. This person probably chose not to even bother with that, or just picked the "Increase my Yahoo Picture storage to 7 gadazillion megabytes that I'll never use" instead of getting the anti-virus software.
MrChad
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Who's responsibility is it to instruct users on how to practice safe computing? The ISP? The computer manufacturer? Microsoft? How are unsavvy computer users supposed to know this stuff?
When I buy a car, it has an instruction manual that tells me how to properly maintain it to keep it running safely. Who should do that for computers?
All modems do is translate. That's it. If you have a problem with your cable modem w/ built-in router and it stopped working, you would have no internet connection -even to 1 PC- and no network connection between PCs. I'm happy with them being two different devices. That way if I ever have a problem with one, I don't lose both services alltogether.
JoLLyRoGer
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Those who bash Windows should be forced to take UNIX seriously. I deal primarily with SCO OpenServer at work and man how I WISH SCO had the wizards and near universial compatability of Windows when it comes to doing hardware upgrades, installing new software, changing network parameters or basically any basic administrative task.
So you don't like Windows huh? Here's an idea. Dont Use It Then! And if you do choose not to use Windows, then I hope you're damn good at writing your own scripts and doing your own debugging!
The bottom line is that Microsoft does a DAMN fine job of delivering a user-friendly OS for the general public and anyone who has ever had a lick of programming appreciates the kind of effort it takes to put something like Windows together. It's simply amazing!
So you don't like Windows huh? Here's an idea. Dont Use It Then! And if you do choose not to use Windows, then I hope you're damn good at writing your own scripts and doing your own debugging!
The bottom line is that Microsoft does a DAMN fine job of delivering a user-friendly OS for the general public and anyone who has ever had a lick of programming appreciates the kind of effort it takes to put something like Windows together. It's simply amazing!
Uh, no. Read the instruction manual for your car and tell me if it teaches you how to drive. Tell me if it teaches you the laws of the road for every city, county, state, and country in the world. Tell me if it teaches you how to keep burglars from breaking into your car. Tell me if it teaches you how to properly pack bags of groceries, boxes, people, and anything else you can possibly put into your car so that you have the best use of space in any situation that you could possibly experience.
It doesn't.
The handbook for your car is like that stupid Tour XP thing that comes up when you first install Windows XP.
Useless in the real world.
If they would supply a free (software) firewall, I'm sure they would get alot less calls -> saving money.
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