Question Why does the overall gaming GPU market treat AMD like they have AIDS?

[VirtualLarry]

I guess I get the (sub-liminal) "The way it's meant to be played" ads from NVidia, along with the recurring FUD tropes about "AMD drivers", but I honestly don't get the sales disparity, especially for the price.

I've owned both NVidia-powered as well as AMD powered GPUs, and IMHO, AMD is (generally) just as good. Maybe 99% as good.

Edit: And I think that there's something to be said about the viability of AMD technologies, when they're in both major console brands.

 

[amenx]

I have issues with both Nvidia and AMD with this A/V. Both work properly when hooked directly to the TV instead of using passthrough on the Onkyo. I can also connect my Logitech 2.1 system to my 32" monitor using the GPU's HDMI audio, and have no problem. I do it that way because I swap PCs in and out and don't want to mess with audio when doing so. The A/V is the common factor, making it the prime suspect.

Also have Onkyo AV, but connect GPU directly to TV. And separate cable from GPU to the AV for audio only. Any windows update or driver update will reset 5.1 to 2.0, no way around it. Got used to it, doesnt bother me.

This time around thinking of going AMD. Any audio related issues specific to AMD? Or is it basically same as Nvidia with AV receiver?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Also have Onkyo AV, but connect GPU directly to TV. And separate cable from GPU to the AV for audio only. Any windows update or driver update will reset 5.1 to 2.0, no way around it. Got used to it, doesnt bother me.

This time around thinking of going AMD. Any audio related issues specific to AMD? Or is it basically same as Nvidia with AV receiver?

All of my RDNA2 cards - 6600, 6600XT, 6400, all have audio cutout issues while streaming content thorough the Onkyo. My 5700g Vega 8 doesn't have the problem. Nor do my Nvidia cards.

And the stereo bug bothers me because I forget about it, and we are already into a movie when I notice the surround sound isn't working. Then I have to pause and fix it. That is a quality of life issue and thus noteworthy of criticism. Not as bad as cutout, but from my standpoint, it is like saying I mind getting punched in the head less than getting liver kicked. It all sucks.

 

[Mopetar]

They've been a better value for a long time, and they still are far behind in market share.

They need to be a Screaming better value to really shift the market, but then NVidia will respond so they are just back to being a bigger value, and not much will change.

While this is true in a general sense the market can be weird at times and people generally like an underdog / comeback story and if AMD were to release a card that was on average faster than the top NVidia card in some way I think you'd see a pretty big shift in the general perception of AMD.

If they can really perfect their chiplet-based approach they could certainly do it next generation without having to invest a lot in an expensive monolithic die for a low volume halo product. Even now if they can get within 5% of a 4090 on average where they win enough titles and do so at a lower price, I can see a lot of people turning on NVidia, even if only to get them to cut prices because they want a less expensive 4090. DLSS3 isn't that impressive, or at least not enough of a killer feature to allow NVidia to stay above AMD.

 

[Heartbreaker]

DLSS3 isn't that impressive, or at least not enough of a killer feature to allow NVidia to stay above AMD.

To those of us who understand what it's doing, and the downsides. That won't be most people. A whole bunch of reviewers declared it a totally wonderful advance and NVidia is marketing it heavily.

 

[KompuKare]

To those of us who understand what it's doing, and the downsides. That won't be most people. A whole bunch of reviewers declared it a totally wonderful advance and NVidia is marketing it heavily.

The mind boggles!
DLSS 4.0 might come with the marketing slogan:
"Tired of playing games the same way?
Getting RSI from too hectic gaming?
Let the AI of DLSS 4.0 take the stress away for you. Sit back and let DLSS 4.0 play the game on your behalf!"

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Was talking to a co-worker who is into computers about my new build.

Him: "Bruh, hows your life with RTX ON now?"

Me: "Actually I went with AMD-everything and got a 5800x3D and Radeon 6800XT rig"

Him: "Oh... decided to save some money huh? I know things are tight right now"

Almost word for word conversation I had.

 

[Leeea]

Im sure its been mentioned but for me drivers definitely. Try owning a vega 56 ref for 3 years and all these amd stock holders downplaying the problems of bsods, blackscreens, stuttering video when a game running. This weird random bsod after a long uptime that needed the vram be clocked at constant to be avoided. Sure nvidia sucks too, but at least it works. hd4800 was alright.

Owned a Sapphire Vega 56, was happy until I replaced it with a rx6900.

Sent it into the mines after that, worked well as a miner.

Gave it to a friend about two weeks ago, he seems to like it as a daily driver.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

The mind boggles!
DLSS 4.0 might come with the marketing slogan:
"Tired of playing games the same way?
Getting RSI from too hectic gaming?
Let the AI of DLSS 4.0 take the stress away for you. Sit back and let DLSS 4.0 play the game on your behalf!"

- I feel like there was an opportunity for a Star Trek episode where the crew visits a planet that has machines manufacturing goods to sell to other machines to buy for all eternity, while the species that built the machines to cut out the pesky labor and consumer had been long extinct due to some global catastrophe.

An automated made up economy that only exists because some sapient lifeform willed it into existence.

 

[Stuka87]

- I feel like there was an opportunity for a Star Trek episode where the crew visits a planet that has machines manufacturing goods to sell to other machines to buy for all eternity, while the species that built the machines to cut out the pesky labor and consumer had been long extinct due to some global catastrophe.

An automated made up economy that only exists because some sapient lifeform willed it into existence.

This would be a fantastic episode for Lower Decks.

 

[A///]

Was talking to a co-worker who is into computers about my new build.

Him: "Bruh, hows your life with RTX ON now?"

Me: "Actually I went with AMD-everything and got a 5800x3D and Radeon 6800XT rig"

Him: "Oh... decided to save some money huh? I know things are tight right now"

Almost word for word conversation I had.

tbf people into computers can be blind about amd's successes the last five years or they mingle with like minded people who think intel is the return of christ.

 

[Aapje]

While this is true in a general sense the market can be weird at times and people generally like an underdog / comeback story and if AMD were to release a card that was on average faster than the top NVidia card in some way I think you'd see a pretty big shift in the general perception of AMD.

And then people get to the store and still buy Nvidia...

I think that you underestimate how conservative most buyers are.

 

[Leeea]

And then people get to the store and still buy Nvidia...

I think that you underestimate how conservative most buyers are.

AMD is going to have to give 2x the performance at 1/2 the price with 1/3rd the electricity to make real inroads.

God tier drivers will also be required, drivers so good they fix CPU errors and heal RAM sticks. After installing the AMD driver, everything on the computer will need to function better then original without error for the lifetime of the purchaser + 20 years.

Anything short of that, and AMD will always garbage tier.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

AMD is going to have to give 2x the performance at 1/2 the price with 1/3rd the electricity to make real inroads.

God tier drivers will also be required, drivers so good they fix CPU errors and heal RAM sticks. After installing the AMD driver, everything on the computer will need to function better then original without error for the lifetime of the purchaser + 20 years.

Anything short of that, and AMD will always garbage tier.

Even then, AMD won't be good enough for some. Just because of the name.

 

[Dribble]

To those of us who understand what it's doing, and the downsides. That won't be most people. A whole bunch of reviewers declared it a totally wonderful advance and NVidia is marketing it heavily.

You could remove the "3" from your DLSS comments and it would sound identical to all the comments when that came out years ago, yet that now works well - so well AMD has attempted to copy it. In addition DLSS 2 is very useful for the orignal 2xxx series nvidia users as the cards are older and need the extra performance it gives. Hence it is likely DLSS 3 will go the same way, so buying a card that supports it seems pretty sensible to me.

 

[zinfamous]

tbf people into computers can be blind about amd's successes the last five years or they mingle with like minded people who think intel is the return of christ.

or just that the majority of people aren't like the <1% of people that hang out at AT, and so they just buy what the loud adds tell them to buy.

 

[Hans Gruber]

I will make a comparison to the 80's. Nvidia is Transformers and AMD GPU's are Go Bot's. Transformers were perceived as superior to Go Bot's. Or Crayola crayons is Nvidia to AMD generic crayon brands from Wal Mart or Kmart.

The same thing can be said about Intel in the GPU market in a much worse way. So many sites said Intel is cancelling their GPU business because their GPU's are so bad.

AMD has lacked a compelling GPU since RDNA1. It's like hitting a double when people want to see a home run product. AMD admitted they were not trying with RDNA1 but simply wanting to see what the (TSMC)7nm silicon could do for their GPU's. AMD does not want to be seen as the value play or value proposition. I think what will hurt AMD is both Nvidia and Intel (GPU's) are using TSMC for their silicon. Being the exclusive TSMC customer was helping AMD vs. Nvidia (Samsung silicon in the past). The reasoning is that TSMC has superior silicon to what other foundries were offering.

 

[blckgrffn]

You could remove the "3" from your DLSS comments and it would sound identical to all the comments when that came out years ago, yet that now works well - so well AMD has attempted to copy it. In addition DLSS 2 is very useful for the orignal 2xxx series nvidia users as the cards are older and need the extra performance it gives. Hence it is likely DLSS 3 will go the same way, so buying a card that supports it seems pretty sensible to me.

Nah. There were vocal proponents here for DLSS 1/2 for the reasons you mention. Now FSR2 works well enough to be in the same conversation and is not a walled garden feature, and consoles will likely use it a ton. Since it's the more inclusive option, it's the best option for game developers.

There has been essentially no one championing DLSS 3 in the same way and even the reviewers who obviously shill for nvidia bother to include a paragraph mentioning how it basically does nothing.

With any luck AMD will create some feature that is worthwhile and works on RDNA2 so we'll see adoption in consoles and thus all major game engines.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

And then people get to the store and still buy Nvidia...

I think that you underestimate how conservative most buyers are.

Yup. And mindshare. When my son was in high school all of his gaming friends had a woody for Nvidia. None of them even considered AMD. Now they are 20 somethings, and I doubt they have changed. Nvidia did a great job of being on point while a whole generation of PC gamers grew up. It is paying dividends now.

 

[Mopetar]

There was a good stretch of time, basically the tail end of GCN until RDNA2 where AMD didn't really exist in the high end, so it's not weird that people who grew up in that time period would overlook them, but anyone who even does the smallest amount of research before buying would have a hard time looking past an AMD card sitting at the top. Even if they don't follow it closely enough, it will get other people talking about such a surprising result.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

There was a good stretch of time, basically the tail end of GCN until RDNA2 where AMD didn't really exist in the high end, so it's not weird that people who grew up in that time period would overlook them, but anyone who even does the smallest amount of research before buying would have a hard time looking past an AMD card sitting at the top. Even if they don't follow it closely enough, it will get other people talking about such a surprising result.

You ain't wrong. That's where the peer group comes in, and why Nvidia paid for viral marketers for years. So you do a little research, which can make you lean a certain direction. But then you ask your friends and they all tell you to buy Nvidia or you'll regret it. That is my 2nd hand anecdotal experience, take it for what you will.

 

[MrPickins]

I will make a comparison to the 80's. Nvidia is Transformers and AMD GPU's are Go Bot's. Transformers were perceived as superior to Go Bot's. Or Crayola crayons is Nvidia to AMD generic crayon brands from Wal Mart or Kmart.

The crayon analogy fails in that AMD is on par with Nvidia, and better at many price points. The Transformers vs Go Bots is more accurate in that it's more marketing and personal preference than anything.

AMD has lacked a compelling GPU since RDNA1.

Maybe if you're looking at halo cards only. This generation, AMD has been very competitive at "midrange" price points. They've got some really good cards out there for much less than Nvidia.

 

[sirmo]

I buy both GPU manufacturers. Been buying GPUs since about 2000. So over 20 years.

I've always felt better about buying AMD because, every time I buy an Nvidia GPU I feel like I was scammed. Like when I bought the gtx780 which fell off in performance over night.

Since I also use Linux on all but one of my computers, AMD's drivers have been far better.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I buy both GPU manufacturers. Been buying GPUs since about 2000. So over 20 years.

I've always felt better about buying AMD because, every time I buy an Nvidia GPU I feel like I was scammed. Like when I bought the gtx780 which fell off in performance over night.

Since I also use Linux on all but one of my computers, AMD's drivers have been far better.

I have flirted with Linux gaming for about the last decade. Always gave up quickly. Now, every time I fire up SteamOS and play on an all AMD system, I inch a little closer to the idea of abandoning windows completely.. Nvidia and Intel are not quite there yet, from what I have read. Makes sense as the Steam Deck uses AMD.

And haters gonna hate. But AMD fine wine happens more often than not. Leaving GTX owners behind on DLSS is a slap in the face too. Doubt most them appreciate FSR including their cards though. They will still buy Nvidia next time. Get left behind on features like DLSS 3.0 and whatever else, rinse and repeat. Stockholm Syndrome.

 

[GunsMadeAmericaFree]

>>Him: "Oh... decided to save some money huh? I know things are tight right >>now"

If things were really 'tight' right now, you'd have a Ryzen 5 5600G, and that's it!

 

[Mopetar]

>>Him: "Oh... decided to save some money huh? I know things are tight right >>now"

If things were really 'tight' right now, you'd have a Ryzen 5 5600G, and that's it!

If times were really tight you'd be getting an etch-a-sketch right now. And you'd have to share it with the neighbor kid!