Question Why does the overall gaming GPU market treat AMD like they have AIDS?

[VirtualLarry]

I guess I get the (sub-liminal) "The way it's meant to be played" ads from NVidia, along with the recurring FUD tropes about "AMD drivers", but I honestly don't get the sales disparity, especially for the price.

I've owned both NVidia-powered as well as AMD powered GPUs, and IMHO, AMD is (generally) just as good. Maybe 99% as good.

Edit: And I think that there's something to be said about the viability of AMD technologies, when they're in both major console brands.

 

[IntelUser2000]

This post is a prime example of "mind share".

You can call it whatever you want. You would know from my name I have a personal bias towards Intel products, and next one would likely be an ARC GPU even if I have no real use for it since I don't game anymore. Nowadays I look at it in terms of collecting it and/or interest from a technical side(like board analysis).

When I was initially playing around with computer hardware, I was in high school. Back then and for more than ten years(greater!) Nvidia had the advantage in drivers.

And unless you scrutinize every aspect and read every user and professional review that mindset will stick and honestly as long as it works for you, they don't care. Cause either way you'll play your game and more than that it's a waste of time.

Just saying Nvidia has a reason for that sustained mindshare. It didn't happen overnight. It would be foolish to think otherwise, because it's based on TRUST.

 

[zinfamous]

as monitors?:

42" 4k oled monitor (same panel as lg c2, but with non-reflective matte finish + better uniformity + heatsink for reduced oled burn in):
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1724186-REG/asus_republic_of_gamers_swift.html

34" 1440p oled monitor:
https://www.amazon.com/Alienware-AW3423DW-34-18-inch-3440x1440-Curvature/dp/B09VQ48X5Q

48" 4k oled monitor ( avoid ):
https://www.amazon.com/AORUS-Monitor-3840x2160-Display-Response/dp/B09886GDFD

... I may have been following this space closely for a while.



attractive alternatives:
lg oled c2 4k 42" at $400 cheaper then the Asus, reflective finish:
https://smile.amazon.com/LG-42-Inch-Refresh-AI-Powered-OLED42C2PUA/dp/B09RMFZZPX/ref=sr_1_2

4k 32" + over 1000 backlight zones LCD, the glorious Odyssey g8:
https://smile.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-Odyssey-FreeSync-Ultrawide-DisplayPort/dp/B09ZH3WM47/ref=sr_1_1

1440p 32" g8s brother, also with over a 1000 backlight zones, the 1440p 32" Odyssey g7:
https://smile.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-32-inch-Odyssey-G7-Monitor/dp/B088HHZBGJ/ref=sr_1_2


sadly, both of Samsung's Odyssey monitors have been cursed with a "curve". I despise curved monitors. Hatred. Complete hatred.


ps: nobody cares about AMD, this is a monitor thread now, it should be moved to the other forum

Well, I like curved monitors, for their purpose. I truly do! It's OK, with your poor taste and all. You're also probably someone that likes ketchup. This is why we can't be friends.

 

[zinfamous]

Well said

Also, who the hell pays the way overpriced stuff on his store? It was kind of nice to see Steve at GN give Linus crap for his merchandise.

...but Steve also hawks his own merch, so I don't get that.

 

[Thunder 57]

...but Steve also hawks his own merch, so I don't get that.

It wasn't the biggest issue but they were talking about warranties or lack thereof on Linus's $250 backpack. You can check it out here. It's really the pricing that I find stupid, which is why I won't buy any of his stuff.

 

[Leeea]

Well, I like curved monitors, for their purpose. I truly do! It's OK, with your poor taste and all. You're also probably someone that likes ketchup. This is why we can't be friends.

It was an acquired hatred for me.

I purchased a curved 32" monitor back in 2018 ( a C32HG70* ), and well, as the years went by I went from:
cool!
neat!
not for me
if this thing was flat it would be so much nicer
this is actually annoying
who designed this failure
why did I buy this?
I hate this form factor
I hate this monitor!
DIE DIE DIE!
why can't this thing just die so I can replace it?!
Why is it literally zero of my extended family want this thing?!
I refuse to toss a perfectly functioning monitor into recycling.
I despise this thing.
I can live with it just a bit longer, just long enough for oled prices to drop.
Hatred.
Pure Hatred.


*propaganda telling me I should be happy with it: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/samsung/chg70

 

[biostud]

It was an acquired hatred for me.

I purchased a curved 32" monitor back in 2018 ( a C32HG70* ), and well, as the years went by I went from:
cool!
neat!
not for me
if this thing was flat it would be so much nicer
this is actually annoying
who designed this failure
why did I buy this?
I hate this form factor
I hate this monitor!
DIE DIE DIE!
why can't this thing just die so I can replace it?!
Why is it literally zero of my extended family want this thing?!
I refuse to toss a perfectly functioning monitor into recycling.
I despise this thing.
I can live with it just a bit longer, just long enough for oled prices to drop.
Hatred.
Pure Hatred.


*propaganda telling me I should be happy with it: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/samsung/chg70

For me it's about aspect ratio
16:9 flat
21:9 slight curve
32:9 steep curve

 

[biostud]

If AMD pulls another RV770 with Navi 31-33 then the market will love them just the same. They simply need to be better value than nvidia.

 

[Heartbreaker]

If AMD pulls another RV770 with Navi 31-33 then the market will love them just the same. They simply need to be better value than nvidia.

They've been a better value for a long time, and they still are far behind in market share.

They need to be a Screaming better value to really shift the market, but then NVidia will respond so they are just back to being a bigger value, and not much will change.

 

[maddie]

They've been a better value for a long time, and they still are far behind in market share.

They need to be a Screaming better value to really shift the market, but then NVidia will respond so they are just back to being a bigger value, and not much will change.

How does being cheaper to manufacture affect this? Perf/Area seems to be a big initiative by them.

 

[biostud]

They've been a better value for a long time, and they still are far behind in market share.

They need to be a Screaming better value to really shift the market, but then NVidia will respond so they are just back to being a bigger value, and not much will change.

I don't think RDNA2 is better value than Ampere in from RX6800 and up.

 

[Heartbreaker]

I don't think RDNA2 is better value than Ampere in from RX6800 and up.

That's because NVidia currently has the high end on clearance sale. Compare them at MSRP.

 

[Ranulf]

I don't think RDNA2 is better value than Ampere in from RX6800 and up.

Eh, 6800XT is down to $550 new compared to any flavor of 3080 at $700+. 6800 is $500 new.

 

[biostud]

Eh, 6800XT is down to $550 new compared to any flavor of 3080 at $700+. 6800 is $500 new.

Yes, now had the prices been like this for the last six months I wouldn't have said it. As I've said before in this thread, this last month is the first time I would have chosen an RDNA2 card over the similar type Ampere card, because now the price is right.

 

[biostud]

nm

 

[Stuka87]

It was an acquired hatred for me.

I purchased a curved 32" monitor back in 2018 ( a C32HG70* ), and well, as the years went by I went from:
cool!
....
Pure Hatred.

I have a 27" curved display, and I love it. Its not steeply curved. And my secondary 27" to the left is flat. For me anyway, I think my primary display (ViewSonic XG270QC) is probably the best monitor I have ever owned. It does not compare to super high end $1K+ displays, but for its price range ~$480 when I got it at launch) I have been happy with it.

I will note that I used to have a 32" display before this, and I came to hate it. It was just too large for usage on a desk, so I downsized.

 

[Stuka87]

...but Steve also hawks his own merch, so I don't get that.

I mean, they have to fund things somehow. Its been abundantly clear that YouTube ad revenue itself is not enough to sustain a business with multiple employees. So YouTube channels that sell merch is fine.

But LTT's stuff is sold at a huge markup compared to some others. Like that backpack that cost almost $300, yet has no warranty. Where as a higher quality swissgear backpack has a 3 year warranty.

 

[loope]

Im sure its been mentioned but for me drivers definitely. Try owning a vega 56 ref for 3 years and all these amd stock holders downplaying the problems of bsods, blackscreens, stuttering video when a game running. This weird random bsod after a long uptime that needed the vram be clocked at constant to be avoided. Sure nvidia sucks too, but at least it works. hd4800 was alright.

 

[A///]

youtube works because of ads. sometimes creators need to "hawk" merch to make more money to pay their staff. anyway a while back @Stuka87 gave me trouble for saying amd drivers sucked since the last time I used their cards. I'd said it gotten better since the rx5k cards and that was true. I mentioned a while back I had some lower end to mid range rx6000 cards I was testing and benching. I was very impressed with the cards. They were a lot better than the rx5000 cards I had tried several years ago. They reminded me of ati/amd back when i used them. the only bug i found with the current cards was a strange bug seen in certain chromium browsers where clock speeds would grind to a halt causing some videos to get chunky. it didn't always happen but was sporadic. it isn't a major issue for me because i prefer anything but chromium based. gaming performance and stability was as good as nvidia.

it's of my opinion nvidia is screwed six ways from sunday this generation. with their stupid unlaunch, the still high price of the 16 gb card and the catching on fire 4090s amd has a clear shot of dominating this generation until nvidia can fix their problems and launch their ti models, if those can even edge out amd's refreshes. for the first time in about 20 years I want to get into hardcore gaming again.

stuka can be harsh but he or she had a point. sad to say he or she doesn't make a whirring noise as they're about to strike your post.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Im sure its been mentioned but for me drivers definitely. Try owning a vega 56 ref for 3 years and all these amd stock holders downplaying the problems of bsods, blackscreens, stuttering video when a game running. This weird random bsod after a long uptime that needed the vram be clocked at constant to be avoided. Sure nvidia sucks too, but at least it works. hd4800 was alright.

I had a Red Devil Vega 56 as a daily driver for about 2yrs. I had no repeatable or irritating issues with it. Certainly nothing driver updates didn't address. Same as all of my Nvidia cards. I did buy mine used over a year after release. As you continued having problems with yours', I surmise either your card was physically nerfed, or it needed a firmware flash.

 

[itsmydamnation]

Im sure its been mentioned but for me drivers definitely. Try owning a vega 56 ref for 3 years and all these amd stock holders downplaying the problems of bsods, blackscreens, stuttering video when a game running. This weird random bsod after a long uptime that needed the vram be clocked at constant to be avoided. Sure nvidia sucks too, but at least it works. hd4800 was alright.

I have vega 56 don't exp any of this. The one time I did have consistent lockup issues it ended up being CPU vdroop ( that one took a long time to figure out).

 

[coercitiv]

Im sure its been mentioned but for me drivers definitely. Try owning a vega 56 ref for 3 years and all these amd stock holders downplaying the problems of bsods, blackscreens, stuttering video when a game running. This weird random bsod after a long uptime that needed the vram be clocked at constant to be avoided. Sure nvidia sucks too, but at least it works. hd4800 was alright.

Still running on a Sapphire Pulse Vega 56. One of the most stable cards I have owned, the only real issue I have with the driver/card combo is AMDs decision at some point to change the minimum allowed fan speed based on some reported min/max values from the card vBIOS. This resulted in "breaking" the card for me, in the sense that I run all my fans at low RPM, so ever since I had to use Afterburner to control the fan curve. Don't know if the fault lies with Sapphire or AMD, but the fix was easy enough to gloss over the issue after using language that is prohibited on the forums.

 

[loope]

Dunno, it was one of first sapphire refrence cards got in like late 2017 i think. edit: november first for msrp used till feb.2020. It kinda worked after figuring out why it randomly bsoded after 1-2weeks of uptime while doing nothing. Solution was found on their amd forum because others had the same issue. Then the stuttering of video on the second screen that happened with driver updates and blackscreens in games that was reported on r/amd alot when next gen came out. Got tired and threw a used 2080ti in the same system/os, zero problems. Maybe they fixed something in later releases or it was a little borked who knows.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Dunno, it was one of first sapphire refrence cards got in like late 2017 i think. edit: november first for msrp used till feb.2020. It kinda worked after figuring out why it randomly bsoded after 1-2weeks of uptime while doing nothing. Solution was found on their amd forum because others had the same issue. Then the stuttering of video on the second screen that happened with driver updates and blackscreens in games that was reported on r/amd alot when next gen came out. Got tired and threw a used 2080ti in the same system/os, zero problems. Maybe they fixed something in later releases or it was a little borked who knows.

That's fair.

I don't use multi-monitor so can't speak to that. And I do remember the black screen complaints. I never experienced any of those problems. Polaris and Vega, including the iGPUs, have always been excellent for me.

As I have written, pre-ordering RDNA/5700XT was when I lived "AMD has bad drivers". Even the hardware was a hard fail. This from someone that has had ATI cards going back to the 90s. The at work, at play, and All-in-Wonder series were my go to. The 9800pro may be my favorite card ever. If for no other reason than having it directly after owning the unmitigated disaster, the infamous turd, the nVidia 5800Ultra.

Being in this hobby a long time, I have had bad experiences with nVidia. Nvidia has been much better for me, but far from perfect. My current issue, is every time I update my drivers, it resets my audio to stereo. I have to go into the audio settings for windows 11 and go through the config again to set it to 5.1 for my Onkyo A/V. Beats the audio cutout issues my RDNA2 cards have, but still annoying. I suspect the A/V is the real culprit being 8yrs? old now.

 

[loope]

Blanking but before hd4800, think I had a 9600pro or 9700pro. Some 3dfx and some low lvl nvidia before that. HD died after around 6 years and got a gtx 770 that was ok except for 1 driver that caused bsods if I remember correct but also im not updating every month. It did need a program for downclocking when using 2 screens. Forgot to mention that in mid 2019 updated from win7 to 10 so that might have exacerbated some issues.

My current issue, is every time I update my drivers, it resets my audio to stereo. I have to go into the audio settings for windows 11 and go through the config again to set it to 5.1 for my Onkyo A/V. Beats the audio cutout issues my RDNA2 cards have, but still annoying. I suspect the A/V is the real culprit being 8yrs? old now.

Doubt its onkyo if it only happens after driver updates. Probably win11 and drivers not playing nice would be my wild guess.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Doubt its onkyo if it only happens after driver updates. Probably win11 and drivers not playing nice would be my wild guess.

I have issues with both Nvidia and AMD with this A/V. Both work properly when hooked directly to the TV instead of using passthrough on the Onkyo. I can also connect my Logitech 2.1 system to my 32" monitor using the GPU's HDMI audio, and have no problem. I do it that way because I swap PCs in and out and don't want to mess with audio when doing so. The A/V is the common factor, making it the prime suspect.