Why does it appear that there is so much distaste for Israel..

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ViperXX
It's the Jewish peoples land. They were there a thousand + years ago until they were evicted by the Romans. For hundreds of years they lacked the army to take back and keep their homeland. Until within the last 50 years. The Arabs have no claim to the land, they don't have the firepower to take it back so they need to STFU.

About the Indian thing. They were conqured. Plain and simple. People have been conqured for thousands of years. Until they decide they have an army big enough to take back what they think belongs to them they can STFU as well.

Huh

You say the Jewish people were conquered by the romans and the romans took the land.. Yet.. you also say it is theirs now

BUT.. you say the Native Americans were conquered but they should STFU

Don't you see something wrong with that?

If the Jewish people were kicked out by force then why do they still have any claim to the land.. you say others who were affected in the same way have no claim to the land anymore?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: ViperXX
It's the Jewish peoples land. They were there a thousand + years ago until they were evicted by the Romans. For hundreds of years they lacked the army to take back and keep their homeland. Until within the last 50 years. The Arabs have no claim to the land, they don't have the firepower to take it back so they need to STFU.

About the Indian thing. They were conqured. Plain and simple. People have been conqured for thousands of years. Until they decide they have an army big enough to take back what they think belongs to them they can STFU as well.

That's the cold hard truth. Claims of illegal settlements, occupations etc. are all meaningless. All is fair in war and whoever has the most military strength will have the power to justify anything. Arabs (and the Muslim world in large) should concentrate on eliminating corruption, dictatorships and right-wing militants in their countries and rather than worrying about how to destroy Israel, they should instead emulate it. The numbers favor the Arabs (and Muslims), they just need to clean up their act.

 

[aidanjm]

I think much of the distaste stems from racism/ antisemitism.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: ViperXX
It's the Jewish peoples land. They were there a thousand + years ago until they were evicted by the Romans. For hundreds of years they lacked the army to take back and keep their homeland. Until within the last 50 years. The Arabs have no claim to the land, they don't have the firepower to take it back so they need to STFU.

About the Indian thing. They were conqured. Plain and simple. People have been conqured for thousands of years. Until they decide they have an army big enough to take back what they think belongs to them they can STFU as well.

That's the cold hard truth. Claims of illegal settlements, occupations etc. are all meaningless. All is fair in war and whoever has the most military strength will have the power to justify anything. Arabs (and the Muslim world in large) should concentrate on eliminating corruption, dictatorships and right-wing militants in their countries and rather than worrying about how to destroy Israel, they should instead emulate it. The numbers favor the Arabs (and Muslims), they just need to clean up their act.

So, you are saying the Arabs shoudl lob missiles at Britain since they are the ones who stole the land and divided it up the way they did?

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Aimster
When I mentioned Egypt, a lot of Egyptians would not classify themselves as Arab. They just speak Arabic.

So what defines "Arab"?

I disagree there. MANY eypgtions classify themselves as arabs. And Arab is not a very rigorous ethnic group that is defined. The only ones that MAY try to vehemently deny it would be certain elements in the Coptic Christian Community in Eygpt...then agian I know a few copts who call themselves Arab. When Arabs spread out, they didn't kill the local populace and stay soley among themselves. They mixed in with the groups and locals of an area, and thus these people became Arabized over time.

An Arab is defined in several ways via wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab

The definition of who an Arab is has several aspects:

* Ethnic identity: someone who considers him or herself to be an Arab (regardless of racial or ethnic origin) and is recognized as such by others.
* Linguistic: someone whose first language is Arabic (including any of its varieties); this definition covers more than 250 million people. Arabic belongs to the Semitic family of languages.
* Genealogical: someone who can trace his or her ancestry back to the original inhabitants of the Arabian Peninsula.
* Political: someone who is a resident or citizen of a country where Arabic is an official or national language, or is a member of the Arab League or is part of the wider Arab world; this definition would cover more than 300 million people, but it is rather simplistic and rigid in that it excludes the entire Diaspora but includes indigenous or migrant minorities.
On its formation in 1946, the Arab League defined an "Arab" as follows:

"An Arab is a person whose language is Arabic, who lives in an Arabic speaking country, who is in sympathy with the aspirations of the Arabic speaking peoples."

To be an arab does not mean to be part of the Arabic race, because that "race" is so heterogeneous that being an Arab is something tied more to the language than anything else. Furthermore stating, "many of them just speak Arabic" would classify them as Arab.
However we must remember the definition is very broad, so it is hard to really pinpoint in today's world what constitutes an Arab.


Also (and I will bold this) the notion that there is a distate for Isreal in the Arab world because they are Jews is completely false, and is a fable propagated to gain sympathy for Isreal by asying that "their enemies hate them because of their religion...no other reason".

There is distaste to Isreal because OF THE DISPLACEMENT OF THE ARAB POPULATION. I don't hate a Jew. That is stupid. But I am THOROUGLY opposed to the State of Israel and the establishment of a state that ejected and oppressed a population. Furthemore I'm extremely dissapointed by the repeated attempts to justify this.
(Here is my own "liberal" view) I've come to accept that it will stand, and I don't envision Israel not existing: but I want to envision a country, or countries, where the Palestinians can live in peace, security, and FREEDOM with the right to their own LAND.

Originally posted by: ViperXX
It's the Jewish peoples land. They were there a thousand + years ago until they were evicted by the Romans. For hundreds of years they lacked the army to take back and keep their homeland. Until within the last 50 years. The Arabs have no claim to the land, they don't have the firepower to take it back so they need to STFU.

About the Indian thing. They were conqured. Plain and simple. People have been conqured for thousands of years. Until they decide they have an army big enough to take back what they think belongs to them they can STFU as well.

Oh God...I thought this narrow minded simplistic thought process only existed back in the days prior the 1900s atleast; telling people that "If I take ocnquer you and take your land and have bigger guns, FVCK you" is wrong on so many levels.

It is good to know where you stand though: you would have been an eager volunteer back when the good ol' white settlers decided to go out and slaughter an Indian encampment, including the mothers and children, because you COULD.

 

[ViperXX]

The Native Americans have land that they live on now. It's not anywhere near the size of their original lands. But it's something for them to have. They are not restricted to their reservations. They can buy land and a home any where in the United States, just like the rest of us. They were also made American citizens and absorbed into our society. We are not trying to wipe them off the face of the earth and take what land they have left.

The Jewish people were not given a reservation or citizenship by any of their neighboring hostile countrys. They are constantly fighting for their very existence.

 

[ViperXX]

Oh God...I thought this narrow minded simplistic thought process only existed back in the days prior the 1900s atleast; telling people that "If I take ocnquer you and take your land and have bigger guns, FVCK you" is wrong on so many levels.

I grew up and I still live in area where their are reservations on all sides. I used to hear the indian kids in my class complain to me about how I and all the white peple took their land. At the same time they would go get their free government checks, clothing, food, free truck and school supplies.

I'm not blood thirsty, I'm just stating the facts when I use to tell them "we kicked your ass to take it and we'll kick your ass to keep it".

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ViperXX

Oh God...I thought this narrow minded simplistic thought process only existed back in the days prior the 1900s atleast; telling people that "If I take ocnquer you and take your land and have bigger guns, FVCK you" is wrong on so many levels.

I grew up and I still live in area where their are reservations on all sides. I used to hear the indian kids in my class complain to me about how I and all the white peple took their land. At the same time they would go get their free government checks, clothing, food, free truck and school supplies.

I'm not blood thirsty, I'm just stating the facts when I use to tell them "we kicked your ass to take it and we'll kick your ass to keep it".

Same prinicple applys to Israel

Whose ass did Israel kick to steal the land? I mean when it was first given to them?

If I can come to your house and kick your ass or seriously maim you .. will you let me have the property fair and square?


Your reasoning makes Hitlers crimes seem justifiable in your mind.

 

[ViperXX]

6 Day war ring a bell?

f I can come to your house and kick your ass or seriously maim you .. will you let me have the property fair and square?

Sure if you think your man enough.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: ViperXX
We are not trying to wipe them off the face of the earth and take what land they have left.

Nope no land grabs.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ViperXX
6 Day war ring a bell?

f I can come to your house and kick your ass or seriously maim you .. will you let me have the property fair and square?

Sure if you think your man enough.

Go back to History class .. Who gave them the land.. They are welfare queens .. and are illegal immigrants.

Britain gave them the land

and about your offer.. you are FOS.... you know damned well.. that there are laws in the USA now.. your reptilian mind seems to think the law of the west is still in existence..

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: ViperXX
We are not trying to wipe them off the face of the earth and take what land they have left.

Nope no land grabs.

He is one of the most insensitive POS to ever come into this forum... I wonder what the Trail Of Tears was

I wish him and his whole family tree the same pain he cheers with such glee.

 

[ViperXX]

Your reasoning makes Hitlers crimes seem justifiable in your mind.

Oh yeah you live in the US? Cause if you do your on somebody else's property and you need to move your a$$ off.

 

[dahunan]

^^^ do you take your own advice?

 

[ViperXX]

I wish him and his whole family tree the same pain he cheers with such glee.

I'm not wishing pain on other's. I just stated the facts. They were conqured. We took their land. We share some of it with them. You hippys like to candy coat the facts with love and rainbows. Thats whats wrong with this country, every one is trying to be politcally correct and sensitive to the facts.

 

[Taejin]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: eilute
It is my impression that the Arab world in general dislikes Israel. Is this an accurate impression? Why is it so?

That's like asking why the Native Americans hated the white man when they came....

interestingly enough, the native americans got pwned and america stands here today.

foreshadowing for the arab world? maybe israel will become as powerful as the US .

 

[ViperXX]

do you take your own advice?

I'm not the one crying about us taking their land.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ViperXX

do you take your own advice?

I'm not the one crying about us taking their land.

Who is crying? You are the redneck who thinks there was absolutely nothing wrong with it..

What I find hilarious is there are millions and millions of Christians who think the same way you do :laugh:

 

[ViperXX]

We are not trying to wipe them off the face of the earth and take what land they have left.

Did you know that these tribes where I live are buying up county and city land with their casino money. The land then becomes part of their reservation. Which means no taxes are paid on the land.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Taejin

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: eilute
It is my impression that the Arab world in general dislikes Israel. Is this an accurate impression? Why is it so?

That's like asking why the Native Americans hated the white man when they came....

interestingly enough, the native americans got pwned and america stands here today.

foreshadowing for the arab world? maybe israel will become as powerful as the US .

Considering how much the US relies on Israel to make advanced weaponary for them, I'd say they're already stronger.

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: ViperXX
It's the Jewish peoples land. They were there a thousand + years ago until they were evicted by the Romans. For hundreds of years they lacked the army to take back and keep their homeland. Until within the last 50 years. The Arabs have no claim to the land, they don't have the firepower to take it back so they need to STFU.

About the Indian thing. They were conqured. Plain and simple. People have been conqured for thousands of years. Until they decide they have an army big enough to take back what they think belongs to them they can STFU as well.

That's the cold hard truth. Claims of illegal settlements, occupations etc. are all meaningless. All is fair in war and whoever has the most military strength will have the power to justify anything. Arabs (and the Muslim world in large) should concentrate on eliminating corruption, dictatorships and right-wing militants in their countries and rather than worrying about how to destroy Israel, they should instead emulate it. The numbers favor the Arabs (and Muslims), they just need to clean up their act.

Fine...then by your logic, the Palestinians should continue their armed resistance till they run out of suicide bombers and maytrs. Maybe then can win given enough young people to sacrifice themselves and finally win back the land that was stolen from them. And then Israel should, to quote another poster, STFU about it, and take their terrorism like combatants, instead of crying to the media about how "unfair" terrorism is and how terrible the Arabs are. After all, all is fair in war, so if THAT'S how you want to decide it...

Future Shock

P.S. - the above was not meant to condone such a solution, just to take the quoted post to it's 'logical' conclusion. And things may yet turn out that way...and the Jews will lose, because their population is not keeping pace. But that's another topic...

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: ViperXX

I wish him and his whole family tree the same pain he cheers with such glee.

I'm not wishing pain on other's. I just stated the facts. They were conqured. We took their land. We share some of it with them. You hippys like to candy coat the facts with love and rainbows. Thats whats wrong with this country, every one is trying to be politcally correct and sensitive to the facts.

No, no one here is trying to sugar coat anything. Just remember that by your OWN logic, all and any acts of militant terrorism are therefore allowed to the Palestinians as a people at war. Such acts can therefore also be expected by other people's at war, including the use of stolen or manufactured WMDs. Just be sure you understand what the hell you are actually saying...because the Palestinians are not a defeated enemy (just ask Hamas, their elected leaders), and unless someone wants to commit genocide and kill a few tens of millions of them, they never will be...

Also, to continue with your theme of might makes right, then any and all acts of Al Queda are ALSO acts of armed combatants at war, and therefore even 9/11 was 'justifiable'. Oh, I'm sure you'll make up some fast excuse that that isn't what you meant, that the two are fundamentally different...but they are not. Soldiers armed with repeating rifles massacering Indian villages is no less or more legitimate an act than flying airliners into office buildings.

Future Shock

 

[Aimster]

The only reason I said Israel and Egypt are friends is because

A) They have a lot of travel between the two. Israelis often go to Egypt for vacation and Egyptians go to Israel for vacation
B) I have talked to some Egyptian people about Israel, and I never once heard anything bad come out of their mouth (then again I wouldnt find myself talking to extremist ones..)
C) Israelis don't seem to have a hate for Egyptians.

But I'm not saying there aren't fanatical wackos inside Egypt. I'm sure there are plenty. Those people in my opinion seem to be the minority.

Anyone disagree?

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: ViperXX
About the Indian thing. They were conqured. Plain and simple. People have been conqured for thousands of years. Until they decide they have an army big enough to take back what they think belongs to them they can STFU as well.

Originally posted by: ViperXX
Did you know that these tribes where I live are buying up county and city land with their casino money. The land then becomes part of their reservation. Which means no taxes are paid on the land.

So they are starting to take back their land and not even firing a shot?
Good for them, Right?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Future Shock

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: ViperXX
It's the Jewish peoples land. They were there a thousand + years ago until they were evicted by the Romans. For hundreds of years they lacked the army to take back and keep their homeland. Until within the last 50 years. The Arabs have no claim to the land, they don't have the firepower to take it back so they need to STFU.

About the Indian thing. They were conqured. Plain and simple. People have been conqured for thousands of years. Until they decide they have an army big enough to take back what they think belongs to them they can STFU as well.

That's the cold hard truth. Claims of illegal settlements, occupations etc. are all meaningless. All is fair in war and whoever has the most military strength will have the power to justify anything. Arabs (and the Muslim world in large) should concentrate on eliminating corruption, dictatorships and right-wing militants in their countries and rather than worrying about how to destroy Israel, they should instead emulate it. The numbers favor the Arabs (and Muslims), they just need to clean up their act.

Fine...then by your logic, the Palestinians should continue their armed resistance till they run out of suicide bombers and maytrs. Maybe then can win given enough young people to sacrifice themselves and finally win back the land that was stolen from them. And then Israel should, to quote another poster, STFU about it, and take their terrorism like combatants, instead of crying to the media about how "unfair" terrorism is and how terrible the Arabs are. After all, all is fair in war, so if THAT'S how you want to decide it...

Future Shock

P.S. - the above was not meant to condone such a solution, just to take the quoted post to it's 'logical' conclusion. And things may yet turn out that way...and the Jews will lose, because their population is not keeping pace. But that's another topic...

Your logic is flawed because Israel is a heavily armed military state that has an overwhelming advantage over it's neighbors. The Palestinian resistance could be wiped out in 24 hrs if they really wanted to be brutal and annihilate them. What could the Arab nations do in retaliation? Nothing.