Why does it appear that there is so much distaste for Israel..

[eilute]

It is my impression that the Arab world in general dislikes Israel. Is this an accurate impression? Why is it so?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: eilute
It is my impression that the Arab world in general dislikes Israel. Is this an accurate impression? Why is it so?

Because it is America's un-Official 51st State.

 

[OrganizedChaos]

look at it this way, as long as all those other middle eastern countries are pissed at isreal there not at was with each other.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Because it is America's un-Official 51st State.

If you're trying to be serious this is nonsense. The US really wasn't even all that close to Israel until after 1967 and The Six Day War. Prior to that Israel was actually most heavily relying on France for things such as fighter planes for instance.

Basically the issues with Arabs involve details related to the creation of Israel and the conflict with the Palestinians then and now. Israel also makes an extremely convenient scapegoat for Arab leaders to have their people redirect their anger towards instead of themselves.

 

[2Xtreme21]

Well you took an area dominated by Muslims, dropped a Jewish state on them without warning, and essentially said "kcoolg2gbye" and hoped everything would be OK.

 

[Amplifier]

Imagine the most right winged conservative you've met on these forums. He'd be a liberal in the Muslim world.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: eilute
It is my impression that the Arab world in general dislikes Israel. Is this an accurate impression? Why is it so?

Because it is America's un-Official 51st State.

Davetroll at his worst.

The reason they hate Israel is because they believe Israel belongs to the Palestinians, and that they took it from them (they are partly right). However, this doesn't justify their actions against Israel...

 

[Aimster]

It seems only the Arab nations that have borders with Israel have been involved with disputes with Israel

Saudi Arabia has never gone at it with Israel.

Iraq wanted to, but Saddam wanted to takeover the entire M.E. He was addicted to war and would fight anyone (Persians - Arabs).

and I would have to disagree with the majority of Arabs disliking Israel....

I believe Israelis and Egyptians get along just fine and Egypt has 70 million people. Far more than any other Arab nation.

 

[Aimster]

When I mentioned Egypt, a lot of Egyptians would not classify themselves as Arab. They just speak Arabic.

So what defines "Arab"?

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Aimster
It seems only the Arab nations that have borders with Israel have been involved with disputes with Israel

Saudi Arabia has never gone at it with Israel.

Iraq wanted to, but Saddam wanted to takeover the entire M.E. He was addicted to war and would fight anyone (Persians - Arabs).

and I would have to disagree with the majority of Arabs disliking Israel....

I believe Israelis and Egyptians get along just fine and Egypt has 70 million people. Far more than any other Arab nation.

Egypt went to war against Israel in 67, didn't they?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Aimster
It seems only the Arab nations that have borders with Israel have been involved with disputes with Israel

Saudi Arabia has never gone at it with Israel.

Iraq wanted to, but Saddam wanted to takeover the entire M.E. He was addicted to war and would fight anyone (Persians - Arabs).

and I would have to disagree with the majority of Arabs disliking Israel....

I believe Israelis and Egyptians get along just fine and Egypt has 70 million people. Far more than any other Arab nation.

Egypt went to war against Israel in 67, didn't they?

1967 .. so long ago.. I wasn't even born ..

That was the past

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: eilute
It is my impression that the Arab world in general dislikes Israel. Is this an accurate impression? Why is it so?

That's like asking why the Native Americans hated the white man when they came....

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: eilute
It is my impression that the Arab world in general dislikes Israel. Is this an accurate impression? Why is it so?

Because it is America's un-Official 51st State.

Davetroll at his worst.

The reason they hate Israel is because they believe Israel belongs to the Palestinians, and that they took it from them (they are partly right). However, this doesn't justify their actions against Israel...

Could you please explain how the perception of the Jewish land take-over is only partly right? AFAIK, the land, in it's entirety, was controlled by Palistinian Arabs, who had been there for generation upon generation. AFAIK, the Jews also used violence that had an awful lot in common with basic terrorism to drive the British occupying forces from the land they wished to claim, including the use of IEDs, blowing up busses, and ambushes. These tactics were applied to both British military forces, AND Palestinians in the areas disputed. Eventually, the British got tired of the slaughter of their troops, and agreed to support the UN documents supporting the founding of Israel - because it offered them a way out.

Lastly, please tell me how this does not justify the Palistinian's actions, which are essentially the same back years later? Goose...gander? Pot...kettle?

Future Shock

 

[Gand1]

You might want to learn a bit more history there Future. The land was not always controlled by the Palistinian Arabs.

http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/

Yeah, yeah. I know not everything on the interweb you can believe but, Israel has a bit more history before 67.

 

[Eddieo]

Arab's are Muslim. They feel Israel gets their way too much.

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: Aimster
That was the past

But oh-so relevant!

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: Gand1
You might want to learn a bit more history there Future. The land was not always controlled by the Palistinian Arabs.

http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/

Yeah, yeah. I know not everything on the interweb you can believe but, Israel has a bit more history before 67.

And I certainly wouldn't begin to believe that site. Let's look at the phraseology of some of their topic headers for one whole topic involving refugees:

* Palestinian Refugees, invited to leave in 1948
* How many Palestinians Refugees? inflating the numbers
* Arab-Jewish Refugees, the other Middle Eastern Refugee problem
* Exchange of Populations
* Why are Palestinian Refugees treated differently than all other refugees in the world?
* Legal Background to the "Palestinian Right of Return"

Just from those topic header statements alone, I would call the site more than a little slanted...

According to a much more accepted source like Wikipedia's entry on Palestine,

The Ottoman Sultan discouraged all large-scale immigration to Palestine, replying to a request by Rabbi Joseph Nantonek for permission to settle Jews in 1876 that "almost all lands in Palestine were occupied, and that the autonomy sought by Nantonek was incompatible with the administrative principles of the state" and decrees against mass settlement were issued by the Ottoman government in 1884, 1887 and 1888.[4] Significant numbers of Jews began making Aliyah to the Holy Land in 1882[5] to build collective farms and eventually established the new city of Tel Aviv in 1909.[6] However, during 1891-1900 the total number of Jews in Palestine was never more than 60,000 people out of a total population of 500,000, which demonstrated that "the Ottoman policy of allowing individuals to immigrate and to settle, but prohibiting large groups from doing the same, was successful".[7] When Ottoman control came to an end, following World War I, the number of Jews in Palestine had declined to 55,000.[8]

So basically, the Jews emigrated to Palestine against the orders of the then governing rulers, the Ottomans, set up settlements AGAINST THE LAW, and then only settled 55,000 persons. And that is where any Jewish claim on those lands comes from - 55,000 illegal settlers at the end of WW I. And to enforce those claims they have displaced and impoverished MILLIONS of legitimate Palestinians who had been living on those lands for generation after generation...

Now, go back and figure out why everyone in the Middle East hates the Jews...

Future Shock

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Future Shock

Originally posted by: Gand1
You might want to learn a bit more history there Future. The land was not always controlled by the Palistinian Arabs.

http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/

Yeah, yeah. I know not everything on the interweb you can believe but, Israel has a bit more history before 67.

And I certainly wouldn't begin to believe that site. Let's look at the phraseology of some of their topic headers for one whole topic involving refugees:

* Palestinian Refugees, invited to leave in 1948
* How many Palestinians Refugees? inflating the numbers
* Arab-Jewish Refugees, the other Middle Eastern Refugee problem
* Exchange of Populations
* Why are Palestinian Refugees treated differently than all other refugees in the world?
* Legal Background to the "Palestinian Right of Return"

Just from those topic header statements alone, I would call the site more than a little slanted...

According to a much more accepted source like Wikipedia's entry on Palestine,

The Ottoman Sultan discouraged all large-scale immigration to Palestine, replying to a request by Rabbi Joseph Nantonek for permission to settle Jews in 1876 that "almost all lands in Palestine were occupied, and that the autonomy sought by Nantonek was incompatible with the administrative principles of the state" and decrees against mass settlement were issued by the Ottoman government in 1884, 1887 and 1888.[4] Significant numbers of Jews began making Aliyah to the Holy Land in 1882[5] to build collective farms and eventually established the new city of Tel Aviv in 1909.[6] However, during 1891-1900 the total number of Jews in Palestine was never more than 60,000 people out of a total population of 500,000, which demonstrated that "the Ottoman policy of allowing individuals to immigrate and to settle, but prohibiting large groups from doing the same, was successful".[7] When Ottoman control came to an end, following World War I, the number of Jews in Palestine had declined to 55,000.[8]

So basically, the Jews emigrated to Palestine against the orders of the then governing rulers, the Ottomans, set up settlements AGAINST THE LAW, and then only settled 55,000 persons. And that is where any Jewish claim on those lands comes from - 55,000 illegal settlers at the end of WW I. And to enforce those claims they have displaced and impoverished MILLIONS of legitimate Palestinians who had been living on those lands for generation after generation...

Now, go back and figure out why everyone in the Middle East hates the Jews...

Future Shock

Event though the settlements may have been against the Ottoman laws; the residents lived fairly peacefully togeter during those times.
The Jews for the most part purchased or settled on empty land and improved it.

The Jewish claims are based on their history of going back to bibilical times.

Palestine was close to an empty wasteland with people living off the land near the water resources.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Amplifier
Imagine the most right winged conservative you've met on these forums. He'd be a liberal in the Muslim world.

Actually, I think Zendari would be right at home in Iran.

 

[fitzov]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Aimster
It seems only the Arab nations that have borders with Israel have been involved with disputes with Israel

Saudi Arabia has never gone at it with Israel.

Iraq wanted to, but Saddam wanted to takeover the entire M.E. He was addicted to war and would fight anyone (Persians - Arabs).

and I would have to disagree with the majority of Arabs disliking Israel....

I believe Israelis and Egyptians get along just fine and Egypt has 70 million people. Far more than any other Arab nation.

Egypt went to war against Israel in 67, didn't they?

1967 .. so long ago.. I wasn't even born ..

That was the past

Maybe long ago, but it was the decisive moment that put to rest the idea that Israel was a temporary phonomenon. They simply obliterated the Egyptian forces in seven days.

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Future Shock

Originally posted by: Gand1
You might want to learn a bit more history there Future. The land was not always controlled by the Palistinian Arabs.

http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/

Yeah, yeah. I know not everything on the interweb you can believe but, Israel has a bit more history before 67.

And I certainly wouldn't begin to believe that site. Let's look at the phraseology of some of their topic headers for one whole topic involving refugees:

* Palestinian Refugees, invited to leave in 1948
* How many Palestinians Refugees? inflating the numbers
* Arab-Jewish Refugees, the other Middle Eastern Refugee problem
* Exchange of Populations
* Why are Palestinian Refugees treated differently than all other refugees in the world?
* Legal Background to the "Palestinian Right of Return"

Just from those topic header statements alone, I would call the site more than a little slanted...

According to a much more accepted source like Wikipedia's entry on Palestine,

The Ottoman Sultan discouraged all large-scale immigration to Palestine, replying to a request by Rabbi Joseph Nantonek for permission to settle Jews in 1876 that "almost all lands in Palestine were occupied, and that the autonomy sought by Nantonek was incompatible with the administrative principles of the state" and decrees against mass settlement were issued by the Ottoman government in 1884, 1887 and 1888.[4] Significant numbers of Jews began making Aliyah to the Holy Land in 1882[5] to build collective farms and eventually established the new city of Tel Aviv in 1909.[6] However, during 1891-1900 the total number of Jews in Palestine was never more than 60,000 people out of a total population of 500,000, which demonstrated that "the Ottoman policy of allowing individuals to immigrate and to settle, but prohibiting large groups from doing the same, was successful".[7] When Ottoman control came to an end, following World War I, the number of Jews in Palestine had declined to 55,000.[8]

So basically, the Jews emigrated to Palestine against the orders of the then governing rulers, the Ottomans, set up settlements AGAINST THE LAW, and then only settled 55,000 persons. And that is where any Jewish claim on those lands comes from - 55,000 illegal settlers at the end of WW I. And to enforce those claims they have displaced and impoverished MILLIONS of legitimate Palestinians who had been living on those lands for generation after generation...

Now, go back and figure out why everyone in the Middle East hates the Jews...

Future Shock

Event though the settlements may have been against the Ottoman laws; the residents lived fairly peacefully togeter during those times.
The Jews for the most part purchased or settled on empty land and improved it.

The Jewish claims are based on their history of going back to bibilical times.

Palestine was close to an empty wasteland with people living off the land near the water resources.

OK, and we should honor those biblical claims when we in the US honor the claims for the entire state of New York to the Iroquois Indians, who have much the same claims as the Jews. Or honor Mexican claims on land in Texas.

And saying they purchased the land - they may have made deals with individual Turks, but their entire entry into those lands was illegal. That's JUST like saying that any illegal Mexican can buy a piece of land in Arizona or California and have the right to stay...

Again, the Goose...Gander issue - you are all quite at ease seeing Jews violate someone else's territorial integrity, but scream about Mexican's flooding into America...that is PRECISELY the right analogy - tens of thousands of illegal immigrants flooding into an area they want, settling it, and then declaring it their own country.

Again, back to why the animosity exists...the OP should now have his answer, despite the rumblings of the Israeli apologists...

Future Shock

 

[eilute]

I figured that the Israeli situation would be comparable to having a billion Mexican emigrate to the US in a period of 60 years. Some how I don't think this would bother the Canadians or anyone else all that much.

 

[Jaskalas]

It?s easy to hate Israel when your schools/parents/leaders tell you the evil Zionists took your land, killed your people, and that "god" commands you to kill them all else you'll burn in hell.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Aimster
It seems only the Arab nations that have borders with Israel have been involved with disputes with Israel

Saudi Arabia has never gone at it with Israel.

Iraq wanted to, but Saddam wanted to takeover the entire M.E. He was addicted to war and would fight anyone (Persians - Arabs).

and I would have to disagree with the majority of Arabs disliking Israel....

I believe Israelis and Egyptians get along just fine and Egypt has 70 million people. Far more than any other Arab nation.

Wasn't Egypt the instigator of the Six Day War?

I think the only reason why Egypt isn't as hateful is because they're becoming more open and prosperous.

 

[ViperXX]

It's the Jewish peoples land. They were there a thousand + years ago until they were evicted by the Romans. For hundreds of years they lacked the army to take back and keep their homeland. Until within the last 50 years. The Arabs have no claim to the land, they don't have the firepower to take it back so they need to STFU.

About the Indian thing. They were conqured. Plain and simple. People have been conqured for thousands of years. Until they decide they have an army big enough to take back what they think belongs to them they can STFU as well.