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Why does internet search suck

JimKiler

Diamond Member
When I search for a topic it is near impossible to avoid someone selling something. Is the standard web only useful for reading forums and buying products these days? After trying to find info online for school papers I am beginning to think so.

How can we make it better, if I find a product and want to find reviews all I get are sites wanting me to be the first reviewer. I don't want that. Why can't we go back to what yahoo did with categories did and tag a site and based on tags we could filter a search. I know this or any option are ripe with fraud but could we mitigate that with user ratings on sites comparing search results to actual content?
 
yea you just suck

but i will admit i was having issues recently...

i am doing some iphone development and as trying to google some information about adding images to the cells in a table.

so i searched for 'image background cell iphone' and every hit just came back as a cell phone vendor or something dealing with the actual cell phone iphone. so i just added 'table' in front of cell and got the information I was looking for.
 
Yes, quite irritating too. I have an ever-growing string to add to my searches. Presently:
-site:www.freepatentsonline.com -site:www.patentstorm.us -site:www.faqs.org -site:www.patents.com -site:www.bizrate.com

Too many searches turn up someone's epic brain fart that got posted somewhere, but is for something which is impossible to actually acquire.


 
explorers set out not knowing..
what they might find..
the high seas and all that
they might have been searching for somethin but they found somethin else
become an Internet Explorer
head on
 
The more obvious comparison to draw there would be Google...

How so, nothing against google but i never felt it was any better than yahoo or ask.com. But the iPod revolutionized the music industry. Google makes money from advertising but that is not revolutionary to me the consumer.
 
How so, nothing against google but i never felt it was any better than yahoo or ask.com. But the iPod revolutionized the music industry. Google makes money from advertising but that is not revolutionary to me the consumer.

Kidding? Google became hugely popular because they were leaps and bounds better at general Web search than anyone on Earth (except those that licensed their engine... as Yahoo did for a while). They've also been a huge driver in combining "regular" search with other data (especially location information).

Their advertising system (which greatly improved that market by making contextual text ads common, eschewing the worst aspects of Web advertising, and making good use of an auction model) is a separate issue.

You're asking when someone will revolutionize search, yet disregarding that Google has already done exactly that once before.
 
Search sucks because it's a brand new, unpolished technology. People only think Google is good because it sucks less than the competitors. One indication that search is such a young an immature technology is the sheer number of results. If I do a search for "Anandtech" Google returns nearly 1.5 million results. How many of those results are relevant? Probably fewer than 100.

A good search engine would be able to tell from your queries, plus any data the search engine collects on you, what you're looking for from any given query. It would return a single page of results, not millions of pages.

Google sucks. Bing sucks. Yahoo Search sucks. All of them suck. Search in general sucks. But you can be damned sure that thousands of researchers around the world are working to make search suck less because it's extremely lucrative. Google got huge by creating a search that sucks, but sucks less than the competition. Someone else needs to create a sucky search engine that sucks substantially less than Google, and that person will become very rich indeed.
 
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Is reading the tech help emails my company subscribes to I found the following, which i think is part of the problem and why I continually hate search engines. Not that meta data is a cure all since spammers will fake it, but it could help.

http://www.library.uq.edu.au/iad/ctmeta4.html

"3. Why isn't an Internet search engine good enough?

The problem relates to the underlying nature of the World Wide Web. In the early 1990s, "surfing" the World Wide Web was popularised in the mass media. These days, the concept of browsing the Web is little used. The Web has become a two-edged sword. It is now very easy to publish information, but it is becoming more difficult to find relevant information [EC, p.4]. For outsiders and casual users, much of the useful material is difficult to locate and therefore is effectively unavailable [DC1, p.2].

At the global level, Internet search engines were developed to search across multiple Web sites. Unfortunately, these search engines have not been the panacea that some people had hoped for. Every search engine will give you good results some of the time and bad results some of the time. This is what information scientists term "high recall" and "low precision". The high recall refers to the well known (and frustrating) experience of using an Internet search engine and receiving thousands of "hits". It is popularly known as information overload. The low precision refers to not being able to locate the most useful documents. The search engine companies do not view the high hit rates as a problem. Indeed, they market their products on the basis of their coverage of the Web, not in the precision of the search results.

The Working Group on Government Information Navigation outlined the problems with Internet search engines:

relevant information can be missed because sites contain types of resource in addition to HTML text (e.g. images, databases, PDF documents);
the search engines frequently do not harvest every page on a site, but often only the top two or three hierarchical levels, thus missing significant documents which, on larger and more complex sites, may be located in lower levels of the hierarchy;
search engines, especially the more comprehensive ones, may index sites on an infrequent basis and may therefore not contain the most current data; and
irrelevant information can be retrieved because the search engine has no means (or very few means) of distinguishing between important and incidental words in the document text. [WGGIN, p.2]
The introduction of the <META> element as part of HTML coding, was in part, an attempt to encourage search engines to extract and index more structured data, such as description and keywords. However, search engines are rather proprietorial in recognising <META> tags. It ranges from no support at all, to reasonable. Details are available from Search Engine Watch [SEW]. As far as I am aware, none currently supports metadata schemas. It is the proverbial "chicken and the egg" situation. Web page authors and publishers do not invest in providing metadata if the indexing services do not utilise it and harvesters do not collect metadata if there is not enough data available. The other problem is the malicious "spoofing" of search engines, making them return pages that are irrelevant to the search at hand or pages that rank higher than their content warrants.

Support for <META> tags by search engines designed for local Web servers varies from non-existent to good. Some of the specialist packages include support for Dublin Core or other metadata schemas."
 
And yet when someone finally makes search more useful and relevant we will all be amazed at how smart they were like Apple and iPod/iTunes.

You just gave us a clue as to how much more you suck than we originally thought D:
 
And yet when someone finally makes search more useful and relevant we will all be amazed at how smart they were like Apple and iPod/iTunes.

Except Apple and iPod/iTunes is stupid. Basically it just gets stupid people to buy their crap, so really the only thing they were smart about is marketing to morons.

Who wants to buy music that you can't do anything with?
 
Except Apple and iPod/iTunes is stupid. Basically it just gets stupid people to buy their crap, so really the only thing they were smart about is marketing to morons.

Who wants to buy music that you can't do anything with?

This is stupid. (Though I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to someone named "Numenorean".) Without iTunes there wouldn't be any kind of "buy 1 track at a time" business model for music, except for a few unsigned indie bands -- Apple was the one who dragged the record labels, kicking and screaming the whole time, into it.

Also, what can't you do with iTunes music? They had some mildly annoying DRM at first to placate the record labels (though it was easily breakable), but they haven't used any DRM at all for years now.

Anyway, on search: Google kind of sucks, but it sucks less than everything else. And it certainly sucks way less than pre-Google search. Finding something with, e.g., Altavista was an exercise in frustration.
 
This is stupid. (Though I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to someone named "Numenorean".) Without iTunes there wouldn't be any kind of "buy 1 track at a time" business model for music, except for a few unsigned indie bands -- Apple was the one who dragged the record labels, kicking and screaming the whole time, into it.

Also, what can't you do with iTunes music? They had some mildly annoying DRM at first to placate the record labels (though it was easily breakable), but they haven't used any DRM at all for years now.

Anyway, on search: Google kind of sucks, but it sucks less than everything else. And it certainly sucks way less than pre-Google search. Finding something with, e.g., Altavista was an exercise in frustration.

That business model is fucked up because you are forced to use iTunes. Nice idea, but fucked execution.
 
This is stupid. (Though I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to someone named "Numenorean".) Without iTunes there wouldn't be any kind of "buy 1 track at a time" business model for music, except for a few unsigned indie bands -- Apple was the one who dragged the record labels, kicking and screaming the whole time, into it.

Also, what can't you do with iTunes music? They had some mildly annoying DRM at first to placate the record labels (though it was easily breakable), but they haven't used any DRM at all for years now.

Anyway, on search: Google kind of sucks, but it sucks less than everything else. And it certainly sucks way less than pre-Google search. Finding something with, e.g., Altavista was an exercise in frustration.

My problem with iTunes is the software itself. Its bloated and broken. I have a huge music collection and cannot possibly use iTunes.

Plus, you're argument is wrong from the get go. iTunes always has had and always will have DRM.

This is a good article on why Apple Sucks, iTunes sucks, and how I wouldn't even remotely like my iPhone if it wasn't jailbroken. Luckily there are numerous alternatives to iTunes for people who have iPod's and iPhone's making them still usuable for knowledgable individuals.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/01/a-look-at-apples-love-for-drm-and-consumer-lock-ins.ars
 
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Right. You know why it worked for apple? Because they're geniuses at marketing to morons, which was the point to begin with.
 
Use an academic search engine. You shouldn't be using anything but academic journal articles and books anyway.

also:
My problem with iTunes is the software itself. Its bloated and broken. I have a huge music collection and cannot possibly use iTunes. Plus, you're wrong. iTunes always has had and always will have DRM

Full of wrong. My 400GB+ lossless music library has no problem with iTunes. I agree that it's bloated and slow, but if you have a reasonably recent machine, it's problem free. As far as DRM goes, the iTunes Store is only for people who can tolerate unacceptably low-quality music files. Buy the CD= no DRM.
 
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