Why does God condemn some children to life of suffering and early death?

[Nik]

God:
help player make touchdown
ignore african children's prayers

 

[sandorski]

Man understands perfection, but has never experienced it. We know of flawlessness, but have never even touched it.

With that said, how can you question a Being who is prefect and flawless? We don't know His plans or why He does things.

Regardless, you have a choice; you know there is suffering in the world - do you:
1) do something about it?
2) don't do anything about it?

Sorry, but questioning God does not count as "do something about it".

Strangely, the only Good that happens in this World is done by People.

 

[AstroManLuca]

 

[Nebor]

Man understands perfection, but has never experienced it. We know of flawlessness, but have never even touched it.

With that said, how can you question a Being who is prefect and flawless? We don't know His plans or why He does things.

Regardless, you have a choice; you know there is suffering in the world - do you:
1) do something about it?
2) don't do anything about it?

Sorry, but questioning God does not count as "do something about it".

Why would we do anything about it when a perfect, all powerful being is out there that could fix it in a snap? It must not be very important if he let's it slide. Besides, how do you stop him from continuing to make all these non-white people?

:awe:

 

[Macamus Prime]

you mean like the Muslims cannot have a perfectly done mural/building/etc/etc because God is perfection and human by default cannot create perfection so it is only logical to introduce small flaws into the design/construction?

Hi, I am a human being.

I don't have to think about blood flowing through my body, cells developing and growing or the mechanics of how thought physically occurs.

But, I know God (a concept that is omnipotent and perfect) is something I can question and dismiss,.... because I know better, than the concept of omnipotence and perfection.

Also, I have arrived to this conclusion from my armchair.

Thank you.

 

[Macamus Prime]

Why would we do anything about it when a perfect, all powerful being is out there that could fix it in a snap? It must not be very important if he let's it slide.

It is important. That's why He gave us free choice.

If we don't have to think about how our bodies will grow, we are free to do with them whatever we want. Be it good or bad. You decide.

 

[sandorski]

It is important. That's why He gave us free choice.

If we don't have to think about how our bodies will grow, we are free to do with them whatever we want. Be it good or bad. You decide.

No, it didn't give us Free Choice.

 

[Macamus Prime]

No, it didn't give us Free Choice.

You are forced to think the way you do? Or, did you get to the point where you are in life, by your own methods?

 

[sdifox]

Hi, I am a human being.

I don't have to think about blood flowing through my body, cells developing and growing or the mechanics of how thought physically occurs.

But, I know God (a concept that is omnipotent and perfect) is something I can question and dismiss,.... because I know better, than the concept of omnipotence and perfection.

Also, I have arrived to this conclusion from my armchair.

Thank you.

Did you even understand what I wrote?

 

[polarmystery]

It is important. That's why He gave us free choice.

If we don't have to think about how our bodies will grow, we are free to do with them whatever we want. Be it good or bad. You decide.

 

[Macamus Prime]

Strangely, the only Good that happens in this World is done by People.

And they choose to. They don't have to even give credit to God or anyone other than themselves for doing good.

 

[sandorski]

Exactly.

 

[Arkitech]

Besides, how do you stop him from continuing to make all these non-white people?

:awe:

let's just spotlight this comment for a moment

 

[Nebor]

And they choose to. They don't have to even give credit to God or anyone other than themselves for doing good.

I for one give credit to my proud white ancestry. :awe:

 

[Nebor]

let's just spotlight this comment for a moment

Please reference every post that Macamus has ever made. He's the ultimate race baiter. I was hoping to point out the irony in his religious belief when god seems to have been so unkind to minorities.

 

[Nik]

And they choose to. They don't have to even give credit to God or anyone other than themselves for doing good.

You prove that god exists to give praise to and I'll start praising him. Until then, you're fuckin delusional.

 

[Jeff7]

I understand the human need to blame something for the hurts we suffer but, you still haven't shown responsibility. Should God have made us immortal, free from disease, perfect? Kinda sounds like we wouldn't be human anymore.

Ok....why's that a problem? Is there anything inherently beneficial or necessary about being "human?" We're also not beavers, nor are we plants, nor are we the Ufibl›7s from the other side of the galaxy. Sounds like that'd be better than being designed from the start as flawed creatures, susceptible to a multitude of maladies including ones that come from our own messy genetic code, placed into a hostile environment that seems utterly indifferent to our hopes or sufferings.

"Yes, I could have designed you all to be perfect and free of pain and suffering, but...<trollface>."

Feel free to become something else, I kinda like being human.

Perhaps because you are acclimated to it, and also due to an evolved sense of species- and self-preservation.




Concerning the thread topic again, one way I could see there being a creator entity is if it's one that genuinely doesn't care in the slightest about us as individuals.
In this scenario, single-celled organisms are to us as we are to such an entity.
If you want some bread, you can get some yeast cells, either from vacuum storage, or from the freeze. Then you throw them into a paradise: A place of warmth, food, and immense room for growth. They multiply and enjoy the bounty they have been given, producing alcohol and carbon dioxide in the process.
Then you throw the whole thing into the oven and kill every last member of the population.
You didn't care in the slightest about the wellbeing of the individual yeast cells, nor even about the whole of the population. You just wanted them to provide you with a loaf of bread which had an even distribution of alcohol and carbon dioxide. (And also a mass graveyard of yeast cells.)

Maybe that's the kind of creator we ended up with. His "master plan" doesn't include anything for individuals, or even the species. Maybe he's just waiting for us to keep breeding and populating other star systems, in preparation for a party for his friends. After all, we are rather good at producing both alcohol and carbon dioxide.

And they choose to. They don't have to even give credit to God or anyone other than themselves for doing good.

So...if good is done by people, it's God acting through people.
But if bad things are done by people, it's people exercising free will?
What if bad things are done by nature? Is God having a few cheap laughs?

 

[Macamus Prime]

You prove that god exists to give praise to and I'll start praising him. Until then, you're fuckin delusional.

I don't have to prove His existence to you. And, you aren't required even if I do.

I don't even "look down" on anyone who doesn't believe in God.

 

[Macamus Prime]

Please reference every post that Macamus has ever made. He's the ultimate race baiter. I was hoping to point out the irony in his religious belief when god seems to have been so unkind to minorities.

And, you have no problem with the masked racism by posters on these forums?

 

[Macamus Prime]

So...if good is done by people, it's God acting through people.

Nope. It's people. People choose to be good. No one forces drugs into your system. No one forces racism and hate into your heart.

No one forces you to show compassion and help someone out.

But if bad things are done by people, it's people exercising free will?
What if bad things are done by nature? Is God having a few cheap laughs?

It's free will either way; good or bad. Nature really doesn't do anything "bad", it's by design that lions hunt other animals and deer graze grass. It's by design that deer evolve into the form they are in now, to survive in nature.

It's by design that winds pick up and cause destruction. It's also by design, that humans choose to learn about their environment and protect themselves.

And, God may very well have a few cheap laughs, but does that fall into the concept of omnipotence, compassion and being all knowing/powerful?

 

[Fausto]

God:
help player make touchdown
ignore african children's prayers

He would hear them if they had the common sense to pray in English. Duh.

 

[soulcougher73]

Cause he's an ass?

 

[AMDZen]

Why does god do anything he does? Why doesn't he give me hot womenz daily?

Ask those who believe in god, and what they'll tell you is that its "in his infinite wisdom". So I can only assume that this is the answer to your question. God knows best, quit questioning him. Or do what educated, rational and intelligent human beings do, and quit assuming he exists and has this omnipotent power.

 

[Macamus Prime]

Or do what educated, rational and intelligent human beings do, and quit assuming he exists and has this omnipotent power.

I accept He exists, has omnipotent power and still do what I want. Accepting God != whatever relegion has left a bad taste in your mouth.

The religious types have left a terrible impression of God, that is known across the world and for many many years. But, the central idea of God, should remain untouched.

 

[moshquerade]

Why does god do anything he does? Why doesn't he give me hot womenz daily?

Ask those who believe in god, and what they'll tell you is that its "in his infinite wisdom". So I can only assume that this is the answer to your question. God knows best, quit questioning him. Or do what educated, rational and intelligent human beings do, and quit assuming he exists and has this omnipotent power.

I will play.
Are you saying that anyone who believes in God isn't educated, rational or intelligent? Before you answer, stop and think yourself.