Does fixing my spelling make you feel better?
Yes. OCPD is annoying sometimes.
So why do people buy infiniti, porsche, MB, BMW? Because they are the same as a Chevy impala? No. Because aesthetically they are better.
Considering that I outright said that aesthetic preferences were a fair reason to prefer something, I'm really not at all sure why you think this is something with which I would disagree.
Never once have I argued that a person was not free to prefer the aesthetics of the Macbook line of laptops. Never once have I said that a person was not free to believe that the aesthetic preference justified the increase in cost.
What I have, however, said is that you can buy an equally-durable ThinkPad with equal build-quality and equivalent technical specification for significantly less money.
That statement (along with proof in links to actual manufacturer sites) seems to anger you for reasons that I honestly cannot fathom.
A MBP is not the same line as the Lenovo you posted.
I'm sorry, but this is manipulated bullshit. Both the ThinkPad Edge and the ThinkPad T420 are enterprise-quality laptops with durable construction and quality features. To borrow your car analogy, just because a 911 doesn't look at all like a Corvette on the outside doesn't mean that the two are not competing models which are roughly equivalent lines from their respective companies.
Yes, the HP you mentioned (without linking, I might add) is aesthetically more similar to the Macbook Pro. However, neither the HP nor the Macbook Pro are
functionally different lines from the ThinkPads (arguably the HP is actually the odd man out since both the Macbook Pro and the ThinkPads are enterprise-quality machines while the Envy is decidedly consumer-grade).
All you've done here is contrive an example (an example in which the Macbook is still significantly more money for less machine) based some ridiculous notion that enterprise-quality machines from Lenovo somehow don't compete with enterprise-quality machines from Apple while consumer-grade machines from HP do compete with enterprise-quality machines from Apple. Your comparison frankly boggles the mind.
So 25% more $$$ gets you a less configured macbook pro BUT the MBP does run Lion, has a decent trackpad (
have you used one?), thunderbolt, better battery, and.....
How is running Lion special? It's simply the most recent version of MacOS. While there are valid reasons for preferring it to Windows (just as there are valid reasons in the other direction) it's not price justification in and of itself. Both the HP and the Macbook are running the most recent OS from their respective camps. A trackpad, even the very best one, is not worth $380. It's like spending an extra $10,000 on a car because it has a nicer shift knob.
Yes, I have used trackpads (I believe that I said as much in an earlier post, you must have skipped over that part). I find them significantly inferior to three-button mice and also inferior to the TrackPoint style devices used by the ThinkPads. The TrackPoint does not require me to remove my hands from the keyboard to use it and I find it more efficient, more ergonomic, and more controllable than a trackpad. I find the traditional three-button mouse superior to both however.
Thunderbolt is nifty, but of very limited practical usefulness currently. Given the average user life of a laptop I just don't see that being a rational decision-making factor for the majority of users buying a laptop right now. In two years, perhaps, but not now. I agree that if you need a thunderbolt connection that would be enough to tip the scales, but I don't see many people needing that even looking forward for a couple of years.
As far as the better battery bit goes, again, the Lenovos I mentioned earlier, as competing enterprise-quality machines, have comparable battery life. And, even better, the batteries on the Lenovos are removable. From my standpoint, non-removable batteries are a poor solution because with them you lose the ability to swap out batteries should the need arise. I understand that there are tradeoffs with this strategy and that the end product tends to be larger as a result. If the aesthetic benefits of the integrated battery are more important to you than the trade-offs, that is fine. Still, I do not believe it is worth the $380 price premium in any case. (HP doesn't either, since
a 9-cell additional battery for the Envy 15 is only $170.)
Most people use the trackpad on their laptop. You don't because... you think they're inferior to your... right. I only use a trackpad even for my desktop.
You are welcome to your preference. I still find it difficult to believe that a trackpad, even the very best one in existence, is worth $380 (or even $210 if we add in the cost of that extra battery to the HP's base price so that the total battery spec is more well matched to the Macbook).
Jesus. I forgot ATOT is full of ignorant people who only can see one perspective.
I do not believe that I ever called you ignorant throughout this discussion. In fact, I do not believe that I ever insulted you at all, even by insinuation. I fail to see how this sort of reaction is called for in any way.
Hopefully the bold helps you understand my perspective better.
It has certainly helped me understand you a bit better.
Enjoy your circle jerk. Hopefully one day you'll be able to understand design and also how other people have different preferences than you.
Again, considering that I expressly said that having aesthetic preferences was "fair" it ought to be clear that I'm fine with people having different preferences. My single point throughout has been that Apple laptops carry a price premium when configured to roughly equivalent specification. If the aesthetic differences are worth the price premium to you, then by all means pay it. But don't try to claim that the price premium doesn't exist.
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