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RussianSensation

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The truth is give me a xbox 720 with 2x the graphic power and 50% more cpu power (than a 360) with a mouse, keyboard , flight stick setup @1080p, internet access, and I would drop my computer for gaming needs in a second.

So does that mean we won't see you on the forums by 2013 when Xbox Loop (Xbox 720) is released? I am sure the next Xbox / PS4 will have 4-5x the graphics power of their predecessors and at least 2x the CPU power. The Wii U will already have HD4800 series GPU in it, which is at least 3-4x more powerful than the 7900GT in the PS3.

I game on my PC currently about ten times as much as on my consoles, and I use my consoles more.

You game on your PC 10x as much as you do on consoles, but yet you use your consoles more? That sentence is a bit confusing, unless you use your consoles for movie watching, MP3 music play and youtube clips? Or did you mean to say you game on the PC about "10x less" than you do on a console?

The 8800GTS 640MB came out 3 days before the PS3 for 2/3 the price. It massively outperforms it.

8800GTS 640mb is a slide show in modern games. I had an 8800GTS and it was already obsolete in the summer of 2009....In PC games that truly have superior graphics to consoles such as Crysis 2, Metro 2033, Dragon Age 2, 8800GTS 640 isn't fast enough to actually play those games with "PC level" graphics.

Can an 8800GTS 640mb play BF3 with the same graphics as Xbox360 today?
 
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Online games or RTS, PC is the better platform. It so happens that's my most preferred genres.

But i really hate when gamespot reviews BF3 negatively because its got an average SP campaign. Really if they knew anything about the series, they would have got straight into a 64 player server and played for hours then write their review. So they can think some random console game (with a fantastic 8-10 hrs SP) is better than BF3 (MP FPS of the year, and countless hours gaming to come) all they like, their opinions are worthless to all who enjoy MP fps.
 

RussianSensation

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But i really hate when gamespot reviews BF3 negatively because its got an average SP campaign. Really if they knew anything about the series, they would have got straight into a 64 player server and played for hours then write their review.

That's not how Gamespot ranks a game. It's well known that games have to be ranked as an all-around experience. There are plenty of situations where a single player game got its score reduced because it had low re-playability for its single player campaign or because it lacked a multi-player component. Similarly, while BF3 is a great multi-player game, its single player campaign isn't enough to make it a contender for a game of the year.

Having said that, if you love online FPS games, hey, that game might as well be a 10.0 game for you. :thumbsup:

So they can think some random console game (with a fantastic 8-10 hrs SP) is better than BF3 (MP FPS of the year, and countless hours gaming to come) all they like, their opinions are worthless to all who enjoy MP fps.

But look at SC2 or Warcraft 3 - you have great single player campaigns and great multi-player. So comparing BF3 to those games, it's not as well rounded. At the end of the day, if you enjoy MP FPS games over single player FPS games, then for sure BF3 is probably your game of the year in 2011. But if you don't care about MP FPS games as much, what score is fair? 5-6? Maybe 7? Therefore, a score of 9.0 is more than fair since it takes into account a variety of people who might buy this game for single player and/or multiplayer.
 
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This from gamespot who gave BF2 (no SP campaign) a score of 9.3 for the best MP shooter experience.

Then for BF3, they decide to review it based on the SP campaign forming the bulk of their shooter experience, adding that its MP was awesomesauce, but it doesn't deserve a high score since its SP is average. Wow.
 

RussianSensation

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This from gamespot who gave BF2 (no SP campaign) a score of 9.3 for the best MP shooter experience.

Then for BF3, they decide to review it based on the SP campaign forming the bulk of their shooter experience, adding that its MP was awesomesauce, but it doesn't deserve a high score since its SP is average. Wow.

Other reviewers reduced their scores for BF3 for the same reasons:

"That it includes a short, somewhat mediocre solo campaign and some hit-or-miss co-op action" - GiantBomb

In the context of your 9.3 score, perhaps back in 2005 there was less competition in MP FPS games. Perhaps BF2 was far more impressive back then in terms of what it brought to the genre. How does BF3 compare to Bad Company 2? Is it that much better?

Professional reviews average: 89.33% at GameRankings.

Also, the scores of gamers are more telling:

Gamespot: 1810 reviews with an average of 8.6.
MetaCritic: 540 reviews with an average of 7.1
 
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When you buy certain games, you should know why you buy it. For BF series its always about the MP since the hours you spend in MP action far outweigh the short 5 hrs SP.

In a similar vein, when reviewers review games, they should know which is the important part.

As per the user reviews: CoD noobs and origin haters giving it 1/10 doesn't help.
 
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taltamir

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Gamespot
1. Dark Souls - 9.5 (PS3/360)
2. Gear of War 3 - 9.5 (360)
3. Super Meat Boy - 9.5 (PC)
4. Uncharted 3 - 9.0 (PS3)
5. Batman: Arkham City - 9.0 (PS3/360/PC)

IGN
1. Uncharted 3 - 10.0 (PS3)
2. Chrono Trigger - 10.0 (Wii)
3. Batman: Arkham City - 9.5 (PS3/360/PC)
4. Portal 2 - 9.5 (PS3/PC/360)
5. Forza 4 - 9.5 (360)
6. Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D - 9.5 (3DS)
7. Final Fantasy III - 9.5 (Wii)
8. NBA 2K12 - 9.5 (PS3)
9. Fifa Soccer 12 - 9.5 (PS3/360)
10. The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening DX (3DS)

^ Looks to me the best *ranked* games are on consoles. :sneaky:

There are exclusives for EVERY platform. Look at those games and you see some games exclusive to the PC, some exclusive to xbox360, some to the wii, some tothe PS3, some to 3DS... And they are missing out on the most popular games by not counting iPhone exclusives too...

If you have the money & desire for it you buy every single platform to get all of them.

If exclusives are what drives you to buy then you must buy them all or choose based on the exclusives that mean more to you.

But most games are multi platform today. When a game comes out on PC, PS3, xbox360, and Wii. Which platform do you CHOOSE to buy and play it on?

The PC is cheaper (not more expensive as the strawman claims), lets you use any input device you want (including controller if that is your cup of tea) and the best of them all (mouse/keyboard), gives you better frame rates, gives you better graphics, and typically a better interface too. And to top it all off you get mods and the games are cheaper.
 

Seero

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Hardcore gamers will have a pc and each consoles sitting on top of the PC, or beside it. If there is a choice, it will be a PC version, otherwise, they will simply get the console version. As OP have said, the price of a console is the same as one mid range card, while people have 2xmid range or up.

PC gamers are aiming for the best experience out of a game. We feel that we wasted the game if we ain't playing it at the highest possible settings, which is why anything below highest is simply not acceptable.

On another PoV, some just don't play every game out there. Some just aim for the best quality games and believed that consoles can't deliver that as they are really old techs. Playing with consoles feel like playing recycled toys to some. Yes, to kill time, consoles are a no brainer, but then some of us has been gaming for years, I mean more than 10s of years, we have seen FPS, TBS, RPG, Action, or whatever you want to classify it, we have seen it all. We don't want the "hardware limitation" excuse anymore. We setup our computer as high-end as possible so we will be able to enjoy the moment that we once have again.
 

RussianSensation

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But most games are multi platform today. When a game comes out on PC, PS3, xbox360, and Wii. Which platform do you CHOOSE to buy and play it on?

If a game is multi-platform, I get it for the PC most of the time due to better graphics, cheaper price, convenience of Steam and superior controls! hehe. :biggrin:
 

BenSkywalker

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A PS3 may be $250 now that it is almost obsolete, and a new model is being developed, but when it came out they were $500 or $600. That's more than the cost of my video card. That's as much as my last two video cards.

The minimum CPU for BF3 was $300 when the PS3 came out, the minimum graphics card? Didn't exist yet no matter how much money you had(8800GT/3870)- same with the 3D BRD capability that day one PS3's have. So you could have spent thousands of dollars on a PC the day the PS3 came out, and you wouldn't be able to play all of today's games unless you upgraded it and you wouldn't have a 3D BRD setup either. People may or many not place much importance on those items, but the fact remains that even at launch, the PS3 was a very good value considering what you got if you use it for everything it can do.

There are exclusives for EVERY platform.

Absolutely, that's why gamers play them all.

That sentence is a bit confusing, unless you use your consoles for movie watching, MP3 music play and youtube clips? Or did you mean to say you game on the PC about "10x less" than you do on a console?

Didn't ready my whole post ;)

My PS3s function as HTPCs without the headaches. My two and a half year old daughter can fire up the PS3 and start streaming Dora on her own over Netflix. Gaming lately I've been playing a lot of Rift, so consoles haven't been getting much game time from me.
 

lehtv

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The minimum CPU for BF3 was $300 when the PS3 came out, the minimum graphics card? Didn't exist yet no matter how much money you had(8800GT/3870)- same with the 3D BRD capability that day one PS3's have. So you could have spent thousands of dollars on a PC the day the PS3 came out, and you wouldn't be able to play all of today's games unless you upgraded it and you wouldn't have a 3D BRD setup either. People may or many not place much importance on those items, but the fact remains that even at launch, the PS3 was a very good value considering what you got if you use it for everything it can do.
8800GTS 640mb which performs nearly as well as 8800GT was released in Nov '06, same as PS3. The minimum requirements of BF3 are probably also not based on 720p resolution which is what BF3 on PS3 runs at. 8800GTS 640mb + Core 2 Duo E6600 would probably run BF3 on low settings @ 720p. Even 1024x768 would be a playable resolution.

Here's AMD X2 550 and 8800GT playing BF3 beta in Metro at 35-45fps @1024 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKK2iSEghg8
 
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BenSkywalker

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8800GTS 640mb which performs nearly as well as 8800GT

Guess it depends on how you define nearly-

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2365/7

Here's AMD X2 550 and 8800GT playing BF3 beta in Metro at 35-45fps @1024

A board that is 20% faster then the fastest available at the launch of the PS3 can hit playable framerates running 20% lower resolution then the PS3. This isn't due to any defect on the part of the PC, when coding to fixed hardware you can reasonably expext a "x00%" performance increase(according to Carmack). When looking at today's hardware the situation changes enromously, but that doesn't change the fact that a PS3 is easily a better gaming machine today then anything you could have possibly built when it launched(speaking in terms of overall graphics results).
 

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running 20% lower resolution then the PS3
Uh, no. No non-casual console title renders anywhere near actual 720p. It's all significantly lower and upscaled to that output.

Furthermore, PC "low" is noticeably better than PS3 or Xbox output.
 

taltamir

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What the BF3 developers consider "minimum" for the PC is far far far better quality, higher resolution, and faster FPS then what they put up with on a console.
You can crank BF3 all the way down on hardware from that era and get super FPS and graphics quality then a PS3

Most games are not as ambitious with their "minimum" settings for a game; typically listing a machine actually incapable of playable FPS at even the lowest settings. BF3 developers seem to have gone the other way. Regardless, minimum is NOT the lowest settings that will run the game, its what the develops feel like labeling minimum.
 

BenSkywalker

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Uh, no. No non-casual console title renders anywhere near actual 720p. It's all significantly lower and upscaled to that output.

You don't know what you are talking about. Plain and simple. Because you read about Halo or some other random title doing that certainly doesn't mean they all do. RR7 was a launch title, 1080p 60Hz(there are many others, but I get the feeling facts are wasted against your perception).

Furthermore, PC "low" is noticeably better than PS3 or Xbox output.

Notice the guys pointing out how stupid the PC bigots sound keep offering actual videos, the PC fappers, not so much.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/pc-campaign-battlefield-3/722934

What the BF3 developers consider "minimum" for the PC is far far far better quality, higher resolution, and faster FPS then what they put up with on a console.

Check the video above, in some of the segments the PC is quite jerky, the PS3 and 360 stay smooth. Huge quality difference? Again, no.
 

keyser fluffy

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I wonder how many PC gamers start troll posts on console forums.. :)

Why do I bother? Keyboard and Mouse, 1920x1200 graphics, customisation, upgradability, Steam sales ;)

Some of my friends bought consoles just to play games like GTA4, now they gather dust (the console, not my friends). I was tempted to get a console just to play Alan Wake, then the hype died and I decided not to.. each to their own :)
 

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You don't know what you are talking about. Plain and simple. Because you read about Halo or some other random title doing that certainly doesn't mean they all do. RR7 was a launch title, 1080p 60Hz(there are many others, but I get the feeling facts are wasted against your perception).

But that rr7 thing looks like crap ... like it's a ps2 or original xbox title...



Notice the guys pointing out how stupid the PC bigots sound keep offering actual videos, the PC fappers, not so much.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/pc-campaign-battlefield-3/722934



Check the video above, in some of the segments the PC is quite jerky, the PS3 and 360 stay smooth. Huge quality difference? Again, no.

Um, isn't that a trailer montage for the PC campaign? That's what it says in the description ... I mean ... what ... huh?

 

RussianSensation

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Uh, no. No non-casual console title renders anywhere near actual 720p. It's all significantly lower and upscaled to that output.

Absolutely false. This is a misconception that has been thrown around for years now. Of course there are some games that run below 720P.

Take a look at this list. There are plenty of games that run at 1280x720P natively on both the 360 and PS3.

Battlefield 3 = 1280x704

8800GTS 640mb which performs nearly as well as 8800GT was released in Nov '06, same as PS3.

Around 2006 when PS3 launched, this is what a decent gaming system would have been:

$200 E6300/E6400, maybe even a $300 E6600, overclocked
P965 board $90-100
4GB Ram = $100 (don't remember the exact price)
8800GTS 640mb = $450
Add HDD, case, PSU = $200
Add OS = $100
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$1140 - without a monitor

Back then 23-24 inch monitors were very expensive too. On the other hand, most people probably had 32 inch or larger TVs.

Now, I personally purchased an 8800GTS 320mb on July 30, 2007 for $270 on Newegg. I remember the 8800GTS 640 cost $90-100 more at the time. So still, about $360-370.

I use my PC for games and other things. I am not a student right now which is why I don't really need a personal laptop. But I can see how for most people building a desktop is way more expensive than getting a console. Most students now get laptops. So to them, they'd need to buy a $1000+ desktop with a monitor, and their $600-1000 laptop. It's much easier and cheaper to get a laptop + a console than to have a desktop + a laptop. Not to mention if you play a wider variety of games, consoles have far more of those type of games (party games, sports, fighting, action adventure, platformers, you have dance/music style games such as guitar hero, etc.)

Also, you could have purchased an Xbox360 Premium for $399 or Core for $299 in November of 2005. Back then, the best CPU was something like an Opteron 165 or Athlon X2. Those CPUs are completely inadequate today. There is no way under any circumstances a gaming PC in 2005-2006 was cheaper than buying a new Xbox360/PS3 console. I am pretty sure in November of 2005, an X1900XT cost more than $300.

If 8800GTS 640mb is so "great", how come none of us are using it? The fact is that we buy PC hardware because we want the best graphics. So inherently the PC hobby is more expensive. The cost eventually might fall in PC's favour if you buy A LOT of games. If you own 100-120 games, then PC gaming will be cheaper, esp. if you keep buying them from Steam for $5-15.

Still, most people who buy consoles want to game on a 42-60+ inch TV, not on a tiny 19-23 inch monitor. They don't want game at a desk but while on a couch, do not want to worry about driver issues, bugs, texture swapping such as in Rage, and just want to pay $300-400 for that. And they want to play games when their friends come over, something the PC just cannot offer.

Also, like I said, some genres on PC are severely lacking. I mean if you don't like FPS or strategy games, you just removed at least 50% of the reason for owning a gaming PC. I like those genres which is why I still game on the PC. I did meet people that have no interest in strategy or FPS games though.
 
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taltamir

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$200 E6300/E6400, maybe even a $300 E6600, overclocked
P965 board $90-100
4GB Ram = $100 (don't remember the exact price)
8800GTS 640mb = $450
Add HDD, case, PSU = $200
Add OS = $100
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$1140 - without a monitor

1. You put "without monitor" in bold, last I checked consoles don't come with a TV.
2. 4GB of ram was about 30$ back then. It shot way up, then went back down to 30$ again.
3. With the exception of the 8800GTS, everything else you already owned. I could put an 8800GTS into my mom's PC and it would have become a gaming PC.
4. This isn't a "comparable" system its a system that VASTLY outperforms it. The 8800GTS 640mb is amazingly better than whats in the PS3 and xbox360


Um, isn't that a trailer montage for the PC campaign? That's what it says in the description ... I mean ... what ... huh?

As far as I can tell, yes.
 
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Golgatha

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Obviously you have not played PC games anytime in the last few years if you think there is a lack of quality PC games. I will agree with you that we PC gamers don't have enough games.:'(

I will admit that a console is easier to use. No patches, no viruses, etc. But once you have a good PC, you really can't go back to nerfed games.

The no patches comment is laughable. I agree with no viruses, but my computer has not been infected either since I've had it. What I have had is my PSN and Xbox Live accounts both hacked this year. My PC has not been hacked, nor has its Online components.
 

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when you can just buy a PS3 for $250 and turn it on and be done with it.
You are right, I can fire up Civ5, Total War, WoW, SC2 and Might and Magic Heroes IV and ditch my PC for a cheap PS3!

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