Why do weak people always turn to God?

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Riprorin

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Originally posted by: brad
As i am reading your sig Rip, why do you say our BOR comes from the bible. Is it not possible that standard rights and morales exist outside of religion.

There are many instances you can find if you google "religion" and "founding fathers" that will show you that they were not as influence by religion as we may think.

The quote in my sig comes from Harry S Truman.

Our founding fathers were surely influenced by their beliefs.
 

M00T

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Do you people actually have time to read every response in this thread?
 

bobsmith1492

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There's something being overlooked here: Christianity is true, and all other religions are false (except Judaism is a special case, though it has been fulfilled and is no longer necessary). You can't just lump all 'religions' together and say 'kill 'em off'.
 

MrPALCO

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You, who are of the Covenant, join me in a laugh of extreme derision as the fool says there is no God.

I speak to you who are joined to God by Covenant and remind you of Pharaoh. He thought he was strong but his foolishness and stubbornness caused him to attempt to fight God. His own stubbornness, not God, destroyed him and his family.

My little ones, we are coming close to the time when these fools will actually attempt to fight Jesus with their weapons! This kind of foolishness would be impossible to accept if it were not written in the Word for our information.

Don?t be offended by the foolish evil that would suggest that God is weak, we know better.

I remind you that every God hater will drop to their knees and say with their mouth that:

Jesus is Lord.
 

bobsmith1492

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As a reply to the original question, the weak turn to God more readily because they know firsthand that all the strength in the world means nothing. Sometimes it takes times of hardship that bring you to your knees for God to show you how much he truly loves you and wants you to return to him so that he can forgive you.

When you consider yourself strong, you most likely think you have no need for God. This is called rebellion, and is the cause of all the world's problems today.

All in all, I'd agree with MySOS; religion is very bad, as it serves as a fake substitute to following God (the REAL, living God, not a generic god).

Don't take MrPALCO seriously either; he is either sarcastically trying to throw a poor light on Christians, or is in some kind of cult as is fairly obvious from his post (or else he's been very mislead).

Don't take Jesus' name in vain please, MrPALCO.
 

imported_brad

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Our founding fathers were surely influenced by their beliefs.

do you mind pointing me somewhere that will confirm that? when i google "founding fathers" and "religion", it comes back overwhelming that they tried their hardest NOT to include religion in our laws. it just so happens that the same good morales and citizenry they tried to mandate coincided with parts of the bible. the bible doesnt have the monopoly on morality.
 

0roo0roo

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they were diests. or practically athiests by the standards of the religious today. jeffereson considered the bible work of ignorant men for instance.
 

AznAnarchy99

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because i would like some support in life from someone else besides my mom. face it, most of our friends dont help any at.
 

Orsorum

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I'm still curious as to why it's not illegal to work on Sundays, or why it's not illegal to make a graven image. I demand these commandments be made into law! :|
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: AznAnarchy99
because i would like some support in life from someone else besides my mom. face it, most of our friends dont help any at.

Mine do... but my mom and I are close as well, and I can't turn to her for help with everything.
 

dbuttcheek69

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all of you completely reduce it to face value.

the time wil come when all will end and the Lord will reign again and all who rejected him will spend eternity in hell.

why do you want to be one of those people?
 

IEC

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How can you look at the world around you and not conclude that there is indeed a God? Do you really believe that the "Big Bang" and "evolution" are the reason why we're here? Scientific laws state that something cannot be made of nothing... that presents a challenge to the "Big Bang" theory, because you must have had SOMETHING to create a "Big Bang". Now, if one believes that God exists, then that difficulty is gone - our universe MUST have been created by someone, and I believe that to be God. Now, whether you believe in evolution or not is irrelevant. It may be interesting to note that chimps are actually closer to us genetically than Neanderthals. So much for the "theory" of evolution. God created the world and everything in it, that is undeniable. Look around you... can all of this really be a product of mere masses of atoms? I think not. Only possessing a soul would allow us to be what we are - creations in the image of God. A weak man does not turn to God when he is troubled. He turns to everything but God, whether it be alcohol, sex, drugs, you-name-it. A wise man realizes that he is weak and powerless, and thus he must rely on God to guide his life. One must be humble and wise, willing to admit his faults. God is the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. He is my source code, and the source code for the universe. Who is your source code, MichaelD?
 

dbuttcheek69

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right-
so when you get arrested for something you didnt do and your in prison gettting fvcked up YOUR ass
7 times a day and noone cares about you because you are a "crimminal scum" you can still go on with that attitude.

sometimes we need to be broken before we can be lifted up
 

MySoS

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Originally posted by: ariafrost
How can you look at the world around you and not conclude that there is indeed a God? Do you really believe that the "Big Bang" and "evolution" are the reason why we're here? Scientific laws state that something cannot be made of nothing... that presents a challenge to the "Big Bang" theory, because you must have had SOMETHING to create a "Big Bang". Now, if one believes that God exists, then that difficulty is gone - our universe MUST have been created by someone, and I believe that to be God. Now, whether you believe in evolution or not is irrelevant. It may be interesting to note that chimps are actually closer to us genetically than Neanderthals. So much for the "theory" of evolution. God created the world and everything in it, that is undeniable. Look around you... can all of this really be a product of mere masses of atoms? I think not. Only possessing a soul would allow us to be what we are - creations in the image of God. A weak man does not turn to God when he is troubled. He turns to everything but God, whether it be alcohol, sex, drugs, you-name-it. A wise man realizes that he is weak and powerless, and thus he must rely on God to guide his life. One must be humble and wise, willing to admit his faults. God is the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. He is my source code, and the source code for the universe. Who is your source code, MichaelD?


LMFAO more xtian BS. The day the world is purged of your kind of thinking will be the greatest day of all.
 

Kasper4christ

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so you condem him to death? and you tell us not to judge... pfft

this thread got LONG quick :p

and yet, as i read up above at a glance.. its almost better not to post in one of these threads, becuase of the emotion and flaming that goes on.
alas, i used to be one of those gung-ho christians, (online atleast) and have since realized that the Christian computer guy is few and far between, most are blinded by hatred towards certain people who, for whatever reason are concerned for other people. If i didn't belive in Him, i woulnd't give a sht about you people, really and truly.
Sad is the day when MySoS sees his wishes come true. when his brand of thought runs around, without proof.
religious threads usually don't go anywhere becasue people don't bring evidence to the table.
support your arguments, quotes, links etc..
if your gonna say something, back it up.
a lost art :p
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: dbuttcheek69
all of you completely reduce it to face value.

the time wil come when all will end and the Lord will reign again and all who rejected him will spend eternity in hell.

why do you want to be one of those people?

but I don't believe in your religion. God is more forgiving than your rigid theology would allow.
 

Kasper4christ

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people are quick to accept a loving God who would accept all people.. NEVER condeming people to Hell..
often denyed is the idea that God would ALSO have a certain Holyness/Perfection about Him that wouldn't allow us near Him, no matter how much He loves us, without perfection closeness with God isn't possible..
if it is (possible), then thats not god that your getting close to
 

IEC

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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: dbuttcheek69
all of you completely reduce it to face value.

the time wil come when all will end and the Lord will reign again and all who rejected him will spend eternity in hell.

why do you want to be one of those people?

but I don't believe in your religion. God is more forgiving than your rigid theology would allow.

God judges those who do not truly believe in Him and Christ and the Holy Spirit as deserving of the penalty for sin: death. For it is written, "Even the demons believe in God"! To merely believe in the existence of God is not to be saved.

Edit: I think the guy above me has the right idea. God gave us his Son in order to justify us with him and to render us righteous despite our sins. God cannot accept the unrighteous, for he is Holy, and to do so would make him lose his holiness - which cannot happend because then God would not be God, would he?
 

Kasper4christ

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just tried to explain it in less "Christianese"
sometimes its hard to get ideas across because sometimes Christians and the rest of the world speak different languages
 

IEC

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Originally posted by: MySoS
Originally posted by: ariafrost
How can you look at the world around you and not conclude that there is indeed a God? Do you really believe that the "Big Bang" and "evolution" are the reason why we're here? Scientific laws state that something cannot be made of nothing... that presents a challenge to the "Big Bang" theory, because you must have had SOMETHING to create a "Big Bang". Now, if one believes that God exists, then that difficulty is gone - our universe MUST have been created by someone, and I believe that to be God. Now, whether you believe in evolution or not is irrelevant. It may be interesting to note that chimps are actually closer to us genetically than Neanderthals. So much for the "theory" of evolution. God created the world and everything in it, that is undeniable. Look around you... can all of this really be a product of mere masses of atoms? I think not. Only possessing a soul would allow us to be what we are - creations in the image of God. A weak man does not turn to God when he is troubled. He turns to everything but God, whether it be alcohol, sex, drugs, you-name-it. A wise man realizes that he is weak and powerless, and thus he must rely on God to guide his life. One must be humble and wise, willing to admit his faults. God is the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. He is my source code, and the source code for the universe. Who is your source code, MichaelD?


LMFAO more xtian BS. The day the world is purged of your kind of thinking will be the greatest day of all.

I am saddened by your thinking MySoS. The day that the last Christian dies will be the beginning of the end of the earth as we know it. It's also interesting that you term my thoughts "BS" and yet do not respond in any way whatsoever to it. As it is, all my arguments stand, and from a debate standpoint, you have just received the title of "incompetent blabberer". You have dropped all of my arguments, and thus you result to ad hominem attacks and circular logic. You sir, have failed.
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: Kasper4christ
people are quick to accept a loving God who would accept all people.. NEVER condeming people to Hell..
often denyed is the idea that God would ALSO have a certain Holyness/Perfection about Him that wouldn't allow us near Him, no matter how much He loves us, without perfection closeness with God isn't possible..
if it is (possible), then thats not god that your getting close to

Let's start from the beginning. Who is God?
 

IEC

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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Kasper4christ
people are quick to accept a loving God who would accept all people.. NEVER condeming people to Hell..
often denyed is the idea that God would ALSO have a certain Holyness/Perfection about Him that wouldn't allow us near Him, no matter how much He loves us, without perfection closeness with God isn't possible..
if it is (possible), then thats not god that your getting close to

Let's start from the beginning. Who is God?

God is the Creator of all things. God is the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and Omega. He is the coder who wrote the source code to the universe and all life, and we live in a world created by his will. He is apart from all things human; though we were created but a little bit lower than God, we must realize that we as imperfect and sinful creatures cannot approach God except through His Son. God is holy, and thus is set apart and perfect.
 

Kasper4christ

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In simplest terms, He is.

there are so many names...
what exactly are you looking for?


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again, you beat me too it :p