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Franz316

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what am I gonna gain from being demoralized that much by a million rejections?

from what i've seen, lots of even decent looking men who are successful with dating in real life say online stuff has an insane difficulty level. The women get so many messages that they have no reason to pick you unless you're in the top 0.000000000000000000001 percentile
Well there is a prerequisite to online dating (or dating in general) and that is to have absolutely no expectations. The reason for that is simply self preservation. Rejection is part of the game. If a girl doesn't message you back, who cares - go onto the next. You seem to care too much what other people think.
 
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where does this nonsense come from that top 20% of men get 80% of women???

Being in the top 20% of men is incredibly easy. If you're sorta decent looking, not fat, make 60K a year, have a social circle, etc... you're easily in top 20% of men

I'm trying to be in the top 0.1% of men in everything across the board and even that's not enough nowadays to get anybody decent. I would have to be in the top 0.000001% of men in everything

It's not even a matter of money, and I don't know where you got that saying from - but that isn't what I'm referring to.

What I'm simply stating is males on the online dating sites are just simply retarded. COMPLETELY retarded. And they might still be successful with the young slutty ones that are looking for one night stands - but they fail miserably to the half-decent women.

Try doing some research on learning to stand out instead of having the "I'm just a normal guy" profile, and it's really not that difficult.
 

ClarityZedd

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Again, as someone that became exalted in the skill of virginity while in school and college... online stuff isn't difficult. At all. It takes the bullshit out of dating, whereas in real-life you have to play games to try and determine if they are even interested in dating, let alone interested in you. On an online dating site, you both know what you're there for. It really helps eliminate that bullshit factor.

great, that's really awesome

now how do you account for or eliminate the problem of the girl you're interested in being messaged by 25380525823502528 guys who are much taller than you, much better looking than you, etc.... etc.. etc.... etc...?

Online dating is sooooooooooo unbelievably one sided that it's just astonishing. Even most girls on there who are a 6 want a male who is a 10
 

ClarityZedd

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Well there is a prerequisite to online dating (or dating in general) and that is to have absolutely no expectations. The reason for that is simply self preservation. Rejection is part of the game. If a girl doesn't message you back, who cares - go onto the next. You seem to care too much what other people think.

I'm okay with some rejections...what's gonna happen is I'm gonna message the 1000 girls who fit my requirements and all of them are gonna turn me down


I'm decent looking for real life standards...I'm not gonna stand out in a group of say 10,000 guys messaging a girl in 1 night
 

Exterous

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is she mentally retarded/has 3 kids/etc...??

A hot 26 year old on a dating site is receiving 500,000,000 messages a day. I can assure you that she is looking for a 6'4 male model billionaire

lol - ok. The 'ol "It didn't work for me so the system doesn't work!" logical fallacy. Good luck with your delusions
 
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great, that's really awesome

now how do you account for or eliminate the problem of the girl you're interested in being messaged by 25380525823502528 guys who are much taller than you, much better looking than you, etc.... etc.. etc.... etc...?

Online dating is sooooooooooo unbelievably one sided that it's just astonishing. Even most girls on there who are a 6 want a male who is a 10

Because those other 25380525823502528 guys are _fucking_stupid_. Seriously. Understand that. Think of how retarded the average male is on the internet. Do you think they can write a complete sentence? Do you think they are decently employed in a well-paying career? Do you think they can write anything whitty that a girl finds to be a turn-on? Do you think they are any good at sarcasm?

What I'm trying to tell you is that NO - the average male is god awful at all of the items I listed above. And as a nerd on a gaming/hardware forum, it isn't hard to do some due diligence to see how you can stand out amongst the herd.

Again man, I don't know how to say it any better than what I said previously. I was a bumbling socially awkward retard in school. I hit the real world, and started doing research - on top of that I was working out and not caring if I got declined. At a certain point, they started coming to me instead of me messaging them based on my well written profile.

You really do need to stop being so self defeating, that is probably your first step towards being successful.
 

Franz316

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I don't know what else to tell you. Until you try something different, enjoy getting the same results. With your attitude you've already lost before even starting.
 

quikah

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Geez dude, just use tinder for a few months and come back to us. Stop making all these lame excuses.
 

mindless1

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I'm sure others have written similar to what I'm about to but I read this topic earlier today and wanted to digest and think about it a while before replying, which is something I think we could all do more of.

1. You can't sell yourself as if you were a car. It just won't work.

2. You seem to have an inflated ego based on your income while your profession isn't impressive. Quite the contrary, some might say you get dumber and more dishonest every day you work this job, every year that passes that you are away from formal education where you had a learning regiment focused on things like facts. Yes I know the car sales business, lol. Rescue puppies or something.

3. You might be an intelligent person but it works against you. You're putting too much emphasis on meeting THE RIGHT LIFE PARTNER, instead of just meeting and having conversations, developing conversation skills, realizing that talking to a Hot Babe You Might Like To Bang, doesn't have to be some kind of acceptance or rejection choice. You can literally try to strike up an intelligent conversation with anyone, bangable or not (lol) and see where it leads.

4. Upon striking up such a conversation, it need not lead to are they single, have kids, profession, etc. Just enjoy what you are doing, talk about things relevant to the situation. Within a few seconds and some direct eye contact I can usually tell whether the opposite sex is interested in me, even if the person happens to be married (I mean unavailable) or in a relationship (unavailable unless I put some work into it), emotionally unstable, crack addict, psycho, etc. - there are all types out there and you won't know until a face to face conversation - online personas mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !!!!!!!!!!!!

5. If a gym or club doesn't work for you, why act like that's some impediment. Do you not realize there are lots of places on earth that aren't clubs and gyms? Literally, at a grocery store, ask some woman about a recipe with what they plucked off a shelf, or at a gas station, do they like their car, whatever so long as it's appropriate to the situation instead of a creepy I-want-to-get-with-you, vibe.

6. Times have changed. Women, men too, used to settle down and marry at an earlier age. They say 50 is the new 30, and people marry later in life if ever. That was a few years back and the situation is even more complicated with simple minds being too overwhelmed with all the internet has to offer, dating sites or not.

7. Don't pretend that "professional" means intelligent. An idiot can be a professional and be overwhelmed by the internet including lots of messages on a dating site. An intelligent person learns to sift through the noise and abandon dating sites if they aren't working out. If they are working out then either that person, with the same goals as you, already found a mate or just wanted to play the field.

8. Thus, dating sites to find someone with the same intentions as you, will require you to look for new members and not bother with those "aged" there which is never, ever, a good thing.

9. Get out more. If you just spent your free time roaming around any populated area, your odds of finding a good match would go up substantially compared to taking abuse from us.

10. I had to make 10, it's a rule. No offense meant but you seem to be blocking your ability to build conversation skills with adult women by setting high standards. That does not mean you have to settle lower than your standards, but it does mean it could be useful, and friendly, and just human to talk to a lot of different people. It could be that the more you talk to people, the more you start to realize that this ideal mate you want, isn't so ideal, that everyone has to spend their time developing one aspect of themselves at the expense of another and that ultimately, a hot babe with a professional career, spent time to get that life and is not looking to melt into your arms to be what you want them to be instead. I see that a lot, men or women who are young and ignorant, who say "she/he wanted to change me", oblivious to the fact that as she grew older she'd make the same changes either way, just being ignorant about how people mature over time, and the same for the male, not seeing that once you settle down that hot babe (or guy) will (often) not feel the need to try to keep him or herself up to be so attractive, which can be good or bad depending on how you look at it.

If you have read this far you entirely missed the point which is too much thought and not enough getting out there. Just be in public. You can't meet the perfect gal if she's standing around the corner but you're here reading this.

It's only awkward because you're on a mission instead of trying to just interact with people on a personal level.
 
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IronWing

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How I look when I go out to bars/clubs

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You know what's sad? If I went to gay bars, I would absolutely dominate like you wouldn't believe

Gay men are so much more appreciative of men than women are.
Somewhere I read that making fun of Guidos is totally ten years ago but I want to confirm before commenting further.
 
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ClarityZedd

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I'm sure others have written similar to what I'm about to but I read this topic earlier today and wanted to digest and think about it a while before replying, which is something I think we could all do more of.

1. You can't sell yourself as if you were a car. It just won't work.

2. You seem to have an inflated ego based on your income while your profession isn't impressive. Quite the contrary, some might say you get dumber and more dishonest every day you work this job, every year that passes that you are away from formal education where you had a learning regiment focused on things like facts. Yes I know the car sales business, lol. Rescue puppies or something.

3. You might be an intelligent person but it works against you. You're putting too much emphasis on meeting THE RIGHT LIFE PARTNER, instead of just meeting and having conversations, developing conversation skills, realizing that talking to a Hot Babe You Might Like To Bang, doesn't have to be some kind of acceptance or rejection choice. You can literally try to strike up an intelligent conversation with anyone, bangable or not (lol) and see where it leads.

4. Upon striking up such a conversation, it need not lead to are they single, have kids, profession, etc. Just enjoy what you are doing, talk about things relevant to the situation. Within a few seconds and some direct eye contact I can usually tell whether the opposite sex is interested in me, even if the person happens to be married (I mean unavailable) or in a relationship (unavailable unless I put some work into it), emotionally unstable, crack addict, psycho, etc. - there are all types out there and you won't know until a face to face conversation - online personas mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !!!!!!!!!!!!

5. If a gym or club doesn't work for you, why act like that's some impediment. Do you not realize there are lots of places on earth that aren't clubs and gyms? Literally, at a grocery store, ask some woman about a recipe with what they plucked off a shelf, or at a gas station, do they like their car, whatever so long as it's appropriate to the situation instead of a creepy I-want-to-get-with-you, vibe.

6. Times have changed. Women, men too, used to settle down and marry at an earlier age. They say 50 is the new 30, and people marry later in life if ever. That was a few years back and the situation is even more complicated with simple minds being too overwhelmed with all the internet has to offer, dating sites or not.

7. Don't pretend that "professional" means intelligent. An idiot can be a professional and be overwhelmed by the internet including lots of messages on a dating site. An intelligent person learns to sift through the noise and abandon dating sites if they aren't working out. If they are working out then either that person, with the same goals as you, already found a mate or just wanted to play the field.

8. Thus, dating sites to find someone with the same intentions as you, will require you to look for new members and not bother with those "aged" there which is never, ever, a good thing.

9. Get out more. If you just spent your free time roaming around any populated area, your odds of finding a good match would go up substantially compared to taking abuse from us.

10. I had to make 10, it's a rule. No offense meant but you seem to be blocking your ability to build conversation skills with adult women by setting high standards. That does not mean you have to settle lower than your standards, but it does mean it could be useful, and friendly, and just human to talk to a lot of different people. It could be that the more you talk to people, the more you start to realize that this ideal mate you want, isn't so ideal, that everyone has to spend their time developing one aspect of themselves at the expense of another and that ultimately, a hot babe with a professional career, spent time to get that life and is not looking to melt into your arms to be what you want them to be instead. I see that a lot, men or women who are young and ignorant, who say "she/he wanted to change me", oblivious to the fact that as she grew older she'd make the same changes either way, just being ignorant about how people mature over time, and the same for the male, not seeing that once you settle down that hot babe (or guy) will (often) not feel the need to try to keep him or herself up to be so attractive, which can be good or bad depending on how you look at it.

If you have read this far you entirely missed the point which is too much thought and not enough getting out there. Just be in public. You can't meet the perfect gal if she's standing around the corner but you're here reading this.

It's only awkward because you're on a mission instead of trying to just interact with people on a personal level.


2)I started to sell cars because I wanted to make a huge income immediately. I wasn't okay making 40-80K for 10 years until I started to make a real income

3)I don't understand what you're getting at here. I talked to strangers all the time - it doesn't mean anything in terms of being able to find someone what I want to date

4)that's common sense

5)I live in a wealthy suburb, Outside of bars and gyms, I don't see women my age in my daily routine. I don't see them at grocery stores - that's old soccer moms

6)true, I understand that but how much longer can I wait? I'm 29 and I've had zero meaningful dating experience

7)I agree

8)Dating sites in my age range are truly horrific - the attractive women my age are so overwhelmed with choice, they have no reason to settle down with anybody who is not top 0.000000000000000001% of men

9)Did you not read the original post when I said I go to the best bars/clubs/restaurants/festivals/concerts/sports events in the area? I live near Chicago

It doesn't matter, I still have to have someone decent all around who wants to go out with me and it just doesn't happen

10)my standards are very reasonable. I'm a good looking man in awesome shape who is good at everything across the board. Why shouldn't I have a very attractive girlfriend?
 

madoka

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I want to help.

Please do the following:

1. Post pics of your trash can.

2. Post pics of your vacuum cleaner.

3. Describe your favorite breakfast cereals.

4. Are your suits bespoke? Truly bespoke? Really, really bespoke?

I know these questions sound weird, but I do have it on good authority that the most successful poster in ATOT history believed that these were the keys to his amazing work/social life. Defying all odds and common sense, he somehow got a six figure job, luxury car, and a girlfriend, which is better than 99% of us here.
 

paperfist

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you don't understand too old? I'm looking to start my own family and have 2-3 kids dude. I can't date anybody much above 27-28. I want 2-3 kids but I don't want them for another 5 or 6 years too BTW

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I get it, but women can have kids sometimes up to 50 ;) If I were your age I'd steer clear of women your age and head for the mature ones.
 

madoka

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To be fair to OP, Alky ended up marrying a Japanese grandmother, then later a mother with problem children. I don't think the OP would stoop that low.

I admit I was wrong. Alky did marry a Japanese grandmother who was like 20 years older than him and I assumed the OP wouldn't stoop to that level. However, he did post this nugget on that other sosuave.com forum, so now I do believe he is a worthy successor to Alky.

ClarityZedd said:
I went to an Armenian gathering thing and there was a 65 to 70 year old woman there who I still would smash (not to sound weird). She had decent skin with not many wrinkles.
 

DigDog

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So where does this nonsense come from that hot women fall over themselves to date you when you're successful?

this is both true and false.

when you exude confidence - which generally comes with success - then woman will be attracted to you. things that make women want you are:
1. ostentatious displays of wealth
comes from the instinct of mating rituals
2. commanding other males
you will be seen as a pack leader
3. being able to "pay"
you can feed your brood

just having money isn't enough. Bill Gates isn't sexy, but Douchebag Dave is, in his flashy clothes, his japanese sports twin, his pack of weed buddies, and the way he flashes his cash at McDonalds. It's not rough logic of wealth, it's instinctive behaviour.
 

TheVrolok

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L&R is elsewhere.

You sound kinda like a douche/beta.

Women want confidence, not guys logging into a forum talking about how awesome they are, and asking about girls.
 

pete6032

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OP you sound like a dick. If I was a hot attractive smart young woman I would avoid you.
 

zinfamous

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paystub from last november - keep in mind I get about 30K a year from the manufacturer which doesn't show up in my W-2


How I look when I go out to bars/clubs

image.jpg



You know what's sad? If I went to gay bars, I would absolutely dominate like you wouldn't believe

Gay men are so much more appreciative of men than women are.

Then why don't you go to gay bars? A hole is a hole, bro, and reading your posts, I'm realizing that your options are more limited than you think (or, well, endless depending on whether or not you switch teams)
 
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