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why do ppl need a weight loss drug to lose weight?

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
The point is that addicts CAN'T simply cut down. They HAVE TO quit entirely to fight the addiction. No one can QUIT eating--it is required to live.

This is what makes food addiction particularly difficult.
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Exactly. When you are addicted to food, you tend to get fat. If you wean yourself down on food, to a normal weight, you are still addicted. If you let off your guard for even a moment your addiction kicks in and you are fat again. It is a lifetime addiction that needs to be addressed every moment of every day of your life; all while you keep feeding your addiction 3+ times a day. That isn't as easy as saying "just eat less".
 
I think drugs, surgeries, etc. can be very useful to a specific (and very small) segment of overweight people. This would be the group that is already exercising and making good dietary choices but simply cannot lose the weight because they're hundreds of pounds overweight, they have a very slow metabolism, or both.

What I hate is when people refuse to change their lifestyle and just want a magic pill or surgery to lose the weight for them. Even if these people lose tons of weight from something like gastric bypass, they'll eventually gain it all back. I know of people who have had multiple gastric-bypass surgeries, because they went back to their original sizes once their stomachs expanded enough to fit 3 triple whoppers every day.
 
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: dullard
Food is an addiction.

Combatting the addiction is very difficult. It is one of the few things that you can become addicted to that you CAN'T wean yourself off. Imagine a heroin addict who has to get off of heroin but still must use it 3 times a day. Imagine a nicotein addict who must always smoke a cigarrette 3 times a day.

With food addicts, there is no cold turkey. Oh crap, bad pun. You have to break the addiction WHILE STILL USING the addicting product. That is too difficult for many people to do. Drugs are the easy way out. It isn't that I support drugs, but for many people they do not and cannot have enough willpower to lose the correct way.

That, and the fact that most weight loss information is just flat out false or misleading. Even if people try to lose weight, they are often following the wrong information.
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I think your example is more analogous to -cutting down- on smoking or heroin or whatever not quitting completely.
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The point is that addicts CAN'T simply cut down. They HAVE TO quit entirely to fight the addiction. No one can QUIT eating--it is required to live.

This is what makes food addiction particularly difficult.
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I'm addicted to food. I don't want it to be, but that's how I cope with this hellhole called life.

I was extremely easily able to lose around 50 pounds last summer, just by eating less... because I was on some medication for my eyes (can't remember the name of it). The medicine apparently had a side effect of making me sick to my stomach if I ate too little or too much. After a few weeks, I was never hungry any more - at all. I'd still eat some, just to meet a minimum calorie requirement (1500), and so that I didn't feel sick to my stomach from eating too little. But I never overate, and it was very easy to refuse food and etc. I simply wasn't able to overeat. I lost that weight in about 6 weeks. I've gained 40 of those pounds back in the last year.
 
Originally posted by: GeekDrew
I'm addicted to food. I don't want it to be, but that's how I cope with this hellhole called life....I've gained 40 of those pounds back in the last year.
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That is why you have to treat the mental side if you ever think the physical side will be able to "just eat less". Until you believe that life is better than a hellhole, you'll always be fighting weight issues.
 
Originally posted by: bobross419
Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
why pay for a drug and risk side effects when you can do it for free by just eating less. sounds like a scam.
and we wonder why health care costs are skyrocketing.
:roll:

Biotech Vivus (VVUS) reported positive results from two late-stage studies of its experimental weight loss drug, Qnexa. Patients participating in the 56-week study lost an average of 14.7% of their body weight, or 37 pounds.
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Holy crap... don't you ever shut up about fat people? Seriously you've got a complex. Seek medical help or something. Its ok that you didn't get enough love from your parents as a kid.
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Thank you.

Not everyone is fat because they eat too much. People that do eat too much do so for a reason- depression, emotional issues, medical issues, etc. They don't just sit there and go ME HUNGRY MUST EAT YUM YUM!

My wife is an example of someone that is overweight because of a medical condition. She had a spinal fusion, and has constant joint pain because of it. She is not able to move a lot due to this other than short walks, etc. As a result, she's gained a lot of weight and she hates herself for it. She's on depression meds, and we're saving the $11K needed for lapband surgery right now. If there was a pill available that could effectively give weightloss without the need for physical exertion, she would be the first in line. We're hoping that once the weight comes off after the surgery, the inflammation will go down that is causing all of her pain.
 
instant gratification. most people are weak sauce these days, they want something, but aren't willing to work for it.
 
I hate listening to people defend fatties by claiming their genes gave them an ass the size of a railroad car. If you're fat you eat too much, end of story.
 
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
I hate listening to people defend fatties by claiming their genes gave them an ass the size of a railroad car. If you're fat you eat too much, end of story.
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Glad that you were able to simplify a worldwide pandemic in one sentence.

Moron.
 
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
I hate listening to people defend fatties by claiming their genes gave them an ass the size of a railroad car. If you're fat you eat too much, end of story.
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Glad that you were able to simplify a worldwide pandemic in one sentence.

Moron.
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Put the Twinky down.
 
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
I hate listening to people defend fatties by claiming their genes gave them an ass the size of a railroad car. If you're fat you eat too much, end of story.
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Glad that you were able to simplify a worldwide pandemic in one sentence.

Moron.
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Put the Twinky down.
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Come on. Let him finish the Twinky. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
I hate listening to people defend fatties by claiming their genes gave them an ass the size of a railroad car. If you're fat you eat too much, end of story.
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Glad that you were able to simplify a worldwide pandemic in one sentence.

Moron.
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He's not a moron. He's right. Overweight people tend to consume more calories than they burn. A behavioral change will fix that. If there's a will, there's a way. Even if you're addicted to food, you can stop overeating. Other addictions can be conquered. There's nothing uniquely impossible about not overeating and exercising.
 
Originally posted by: nerp
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
I hate listening to people defend fatties by claiming their genes gave them an ass the size of a railroad car. If you're fat you eat too much, end of story.
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Glad that you were able to simplify a worldwide pandemic in one sentence.

Moron.
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He's not a moron. He's right. Overweight people tend to consume more calories than they burn. A behavioral change will fix that. If there's a will, there's a way. Even if you're addicted to food, you can stop overeating. Other addictions can be conquered. There's nothing uniquely impossible about not overeating and exercising.
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There is something uniquely difficult about it--as Dullard and I already mentioned.

overeating is the only addiction where the addict can't QUIT. Food is required for life.

Heroin is not required to live
Nicotine is not required to live
Booze is not required to live
Cocaine is not required to live
etc....

This makes it extremely difficult to manage. Granted, the body can live off of stored fats--this is how bears and other mammals survive during hibernation; but of course humans aren't adapted that way.

It is, probably, more of a problem of over-eating, but it's inaccurate to claim that this is not an issue of genetics, especially in this age as we are learning that just about everything has a genetic component to some degree. Why is a particular over-eater depressed so often? Ridicule? Maybe an underproduction of endorphin, caused somewhere down the line by an improperly folded protein, which is created by, perhaps, a single nucleotide mutation? Why would one's metabolism be slower than anothers'?

 
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: bobross419
Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
why pay for a drug and risk side effects when you can do it for free by just eating less. sounds like a scam.
and we wonder why health care costs are skyrocketing.
:roll:

Biotech Vivus (VVUS) reported positive results from two late-stage studies of its experimental weight loss drug, Qnexa. Patients participating in the 56-week study lost an average of 14.7% of their body weight, or 37 pounds.
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Holy crap... don't you ever shut up about fat people? Seriously you've got a complex. Seek medical help or something. Its ok that you didn't get enough love from your parents as a kid.
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Thank you.

Not everyone is fat because they eat too much. People that do eat too much do so for a reason- depression, emotional issues, medical issues, etc. They don't just sit there and go ME HUNGRY MUST EAT YUM YUM!

My wife is an example of someone that is overweight because of a medical condition. She had a spinal fusion, and has constant joint pain because of it. She is not able to move a lot due to this other than short walks, etc. As a result, she's gained a lot of weight and she hates herself for it. She's on depression meds, and we're saving the $11K needed for lapband surgery right now. If there was a pill available that could effectively give weightloss without the need for physical exertion, she would be the first in line. We're hoping that once the weight comes off after the surgery, the inflammation will go down that is causing all of her pain.
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close to 30% of americans are classified as "obese."

i can damn well say that 30% of americans do not face the conditions your wife does. for many, including your wife, there is indeed some medical condition that causes them to gain weight.

for most though people though, it' just a matter of personal responsibility - eating less and/or eating healthier, and exercising more.
 
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: nerp
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
I hate listening to people defend fatties by claiming their genes gave them an ass the size of a railroad car. If you're fat you eat too much, end of story.
Click to expand...

Glad that you were able to simplify a worldwide pandemic in one sentence.

Moron.
Click to expand...

He's not a moron. He's right. Overweight people tend to consume more calories than they burn. A behavioral change will fix that. If there's a will, there's a way. Even if you're addicted to food, you can stop overeating. Other addictions can be conquered. There's nothing uniquely impossible about not overeating and exercising.
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There is something uniquely difficult about it--as Dullard and I already mentioned.

overeating is the only addiction where the addict can't QUIT. Food is required for life.

Heroin is not required to live
Nicotine is not required to live
Booze is not required to live
Cocaine is not required to live
etc....

This makes it extremely difficult to manage. Granted, the body can live off of stored fats--this is how bears and other mammals survive during hibernation; but of course humans aren't adapted that way.

It is, probably, more of a problem of over-eating, but it's inaccurate to claim that this is not an issue of genetics, especially in this age as we are learning that just about everything has a genetic component to some degree. Why is a particular over-eater depressed so often? Ridicule? Maybe an underproduction of endorphin, caused somewhere down the line by an improperly folded protein, which is created by, perhaps, a single nucleotide mutation? Why would one's metabolism be slower than anothers'?
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so just because it's a necessity makes it hard to manage and control?
really digging deep to make excuses for the weight-controlling challenged folks.
 
Wow, another thread about overweight people. I'm not kidding, you start a new thread about overweight people every week.

I can only wonder what misery/unhappiness is in your life to warrant such a passion.
 
Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Wow, another thread about overweight people. I'm not kidding, you start a new thread about overweight people every week.

I can only wonder what misery/unhappiness is in your life to warrant such a passion.
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Originally posted by: jjsole
Fvck, another fat thread from blahblahmefvckingmoron.
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/thread
 
Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: nerp
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
I hate listening to people defend fatties by claiming their genes gave them an ass the size of a railroad car. If you're fat you eat too much, end of story.
Click to expand...

Glad that you were able to simplify a worldwide pandemic in one sentence.

Moron.
Click to expand...

He's not a moron. He's right. Overweight people tend to consume more calories than they burn. A behavioral change will fix that. If there's a will, there's a way. Even if you're addicted to food, you can stop overeating. Other addictions can be conquered. There's nothing uniquely impossible about not overeating and exercising.
Click to expand...

There is something uniquely difficult about it--as Dullard and I already mentioned.

overeating is the only addiction where the addict can't QUIT. Food is required for life.

Heroin is not required to live
Nicotine is not required to live
Booze is not required to live
Cocaine is not required to live
etc....

This makes it extremely difficult to manage. Granted, the body can live off of stored fats--this is how bears and other mammals survive during hibernation; but of course humans aren't adapted that way.

It is, probably, more of a problem of over-eating, but it's inaccurate to claim that this is not an issue of genetics, especially in this age as we are learning that just about everything has a genetic component to some degree. Why is a particular over-eater depressed so often? Ridicule? Maybe an underproduction of endorphin, caused somewhere down the line by an improperly folded protein, which is created by, perhaps, a single nucleotide mutation? Why would one's metabolism be slower than anothers'?
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so just because it's a necessity makes it hard to manage and control?
really digging deep to make excuses for the weight-controlling challenged folks.
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wtf, man? is your blathering idiocy a product of fetal alcohol syndrome?

😕
 
"Just eat less" is such an incredibly ignorant statement. You can actually eat too much less, and your body will lower it's metabolism, start burning muscle, store as much fat as possible, and you will end up even unhealthier than what you started. You also have to worry about malnutrition, constipation, and other issues that might occur from changes in your eating habits.

Knowing how to eat less is not the same as knowing how to eat just enough to maximize burning fat stores while not missing any nutrients from your daily schedule. The over simplification of this problem is what causes so many to be stuck in a constant loop.

I don't think drugs are necessarily the answer, however I do think there is a possibility that someone might come up with a 'no strings attached' drug that just solves the problem for so many people. If you could solve the problem for adults, they'd naturally become more active and then do more w/ their kids, who would also get in shape from it.
 
Originally posted by: skace
"Just eat less" is such an incredibly ignorant statement. You can actually eat too much less, and your body will lower it's metabolism, start burning muscle, store as much fat as possible, and you will end up even unhealthier than what you started. You also have to worry about malnutrition, constipation, and other issues that might occur from changes in your eating habits.

Knowing how to eat less is not the same as knowing how to eat just enough to maximize burning fat stores while not missing any nutrients from your daily schedule. The over simplification of this problem is what causes so many to be stuck in a constant loop.

I don't think drugs are necessarily the answer, however I do think there is a possibility that someone might come up with a 'no strings attached' drug that just solves the problem for so many people. If you could solve the problem for adults, they'd naturally become more active and then do more w/ their kids, who would also get in shape from it.
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Fat people lie about how much they eat. They don't need drugs because they aren't sick. They can reduce how much they eat and still consume a healthy amount of calories that won't send their body into starvation mode by eating a healthy balanced diet rather than gorging themselves on pizza, pop, and chips.
 
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