Why do people feel the need to gyp waitresses?

[Tavis]

I used to work mainly on tips when I delivered pizzas and I remember this time I had two deliveries. Well, I dropped the pizza off at the first place and I was speeding over to the second... yes speeding, big mistake. Here comes a cop car, lights flashing. I pull over, get a ticket, and go on about my way. I deliver the pizza to this kid, and he's like, oh, I can't give you a tip. I was SO pissed, I coulda ripped his head off... Oh well, thats life.

 

[Jzero]

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<< the US full service restaurant tipping system is payment for service. >>



If this were so, it would appear explicitly on the bill.

It is not so. Tipping is therefore a gift for superior service. >>



Nope, sorry, but that is NOT the custom. However, because of jerk-offs with your attitude, some restaurants ARE including it on the bill, and most do so with large parties. >>


It's NOT the custom?
Really?
Then kindly fill me in on what the custom of tipping is, if not a "gift" in return for good service? Because if that's NOT what it's for, why am I giving them out?
TIPS origin: Acronym for "To Insure Proper Service." You used to give it to the server BEFOREhand.

 

[Amused]

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<< the US full service restaurant tipping system is payment for service. >>



If this were so, it would appear explicitly on the bill.

It is not so. Tipping is therefore a gift for superior service. >>



Nope, sorry, but that is NOT the custom. However, because of jerk-offs with your attitude, some restaurants ARE including it on the bill, and most do so with large parties. >>


It's NOT the custom?
Really?
Then kindly fill me in on what the custom of tipping is, if not a "gift" in return for good service? Because if that's NOT what it's for, why am I giving them out?
TIPS origin: Acronym for "To Insure Proper Service." You used to give it to the server BEFOREhand. >>



In US full service restaurants the tip is payment for "proper" or "prompt" service. It is not a "gift" for only outstanding or superior service. I've explained this too gawd damn many times in this thread and the other tipping thread I'm not going through it again.

 

[XZeroII]

I tip if the service is average or good. I don't tip when the service is bad. That's how it should work. I would have given your sister lots of money because she obviously deserved it. Examples of servers that do not deserve a tip: Someone who just shows up to take your order, bring your food, and give you the check. No good because I want refills and such. Someone who talks to others while helping you at your table. Talking to others means talking to friends or yelling across the room for any reason. Somone who talks down to you or insults you in any way. Basically anyone else will deserve a healthy tip, but I don't give a tip to just anyone as you can see.

 

[Jzero]

<< In US full service restaurants the tip is payment for "proper" or "prompt" service. It is not a "gift" for only outstanding or superior service. I've explained this too gawd damn many times in this thread and the other tipping thread I'm not going through it again. >>



Well if you want to play word games and call someone a jerk-off, that's your business. Quite frankly, for my money, I expect no less than outstanding or superior service, and I would consider "proper" service to be nothing less than such--a tip is a reward for doing a good job. The crappier your work, the crappier your tip.

 

[n0cmonkey]

I dont know about you all, but I eat out a lot. I *ALWAYS* tip 20% or better. After you tip well the first time, the next time you go to the same place you will get better service. There are restaraunts in my area where the servers would argue over who gets to serve me and a friend, or if the "new guy" was serving us they would make sure he gave us good service. You want better service? Tip better, especially if you will be going to the same place often.

 

[chuckieland]

just cheer your sister up with story of how much tip she make in busy day
some people are just.....cheap
so don't get mad with it. it's not worth

 

[Daniel]

Ugh I can't believe this same thread is back again.

My sister lives in Paris, there is no tipping there, she said the service is always generally horrible and it is expected because the people have no incentive to do a good job. It is the way it works in the US, people can bitch all they want but it isn't going to change anytime soon, if you think you are making some personal stand by not tipping I'd be more likely to believe you are just cheap because you know damn well you aren't changing anything by stiffing the wait staff.

Think what you will about wait staff but I've owned and run a fine dining restaraunt and the staff there always remembered who stiffed them before, no they wouldn't do anything to the food but they surely weren't going out of their way to help you if they knew damn well you were going to screw them anyway.

 

[Freejack2]

I don't know how fair it is that waitresses have to pay for the meal of people who skip out. In New York, to my knowledge it's illegal to make an employee pay for that kind of stuff. Of course many employers still do it anyhow. I almost always tip between 15 and 20%. A waiter/waitress would have to do a rather lousy job for me to tip less and I only really had that happen once and I ended up tipping something like 8%.
I remember back in the days when the internet was still something for universities only, there was this multiline bbs in the area that would get together once a week or so. We'd usually go to Denny's to eat and a few of us would usually get stuck paying the tip. Was hard enough get some of them just pay, let alone leave a tip.

 

[weirdichi]

For all you naysayers who have a problem with tipping..let's just say we abolish tipping and the restaurants and service industry have to raise their prices to compensate. Not only will you be paying more for your food, hotels, taxi service and everything else..the quality will go all to hell. Think about it..what's the incentive to bust your butt if you are only going to make as much as the slacker right beside you. No more friendly smiles, no more refilling your coffee or drink without asking.

Compare the service here in America with Japan. I think that you have to give a little to receive a little in return. As a waitress, do you always expect a big tip from someone first before you offer your services? You've got to show them you deserve the tip before they tip you. If the waitress doesn't do her job, then no tip for her. This leads into my next point: In Japan, the instant you walk into a restaurant's door, they wait staff greets you with a whole heartedly "Welcome to our store!" Sure the prices are a little bit higher, but the service is excellent in most, if not all, the cases. They do'nt leave tips in Japan, and yet the quality is first rate, and the food is still affordable. I've been there, and it's surprising the first time you walk in and they welcome you with open arms. Hell, if there's another person slackin and the other wait person is busting their ass off, then tell the manager and get them off your wait staff. They reflect upon the restaurant and the wait staff. Would you want someone like that to greet your customers? I wouldn't think so. Have someone hired to manage service quality. Slackers like that need to go find another job then if the restaurant wants its customers to keep returning.

"Thou shalt tip ALWAYS or suffer the wrath of me!" Tipping has gone crazy and society makes it seem like a sin to not tip. Give me a farkin break! It's the wait staff's job to provide service and not expect anything in return (ultimately, it's the restaurant's job to keep its customers happy). Yes, I'm sure everybody's got bills to pay, but if you're unhappy, then get another job. This isn't a 4-year university job here; these kind of jobs are plenty. Happy employees == happy customers. Unhappy employees == no job.

I still don't think that the quality will suffer with a no-tipping system. Look at the Japanese service system. If the company treated their employees and customers like they did in Japan, I think most these problems can be avoided.

 

[Thegonagle]

<< AFAIK thats commin in just about every restaurant nowadays. The sad thing is that it wasn't always like that, but so many people told their friends to come in, then let them leave without paying the bill, then told management that they ran off. Management types finally caught on and started forcing servers to be responsible for deadbeat customers. The good side is that dine-and-dashers stopped being very common, the bad side you can see already. Fortunately it doesn't happen that much to servers... about once every month or three is pretty common now. >>

I actually figured that was the reason. But if I was the manager, I would handle these occurances on a case by case basis, and I would probably void that table's ticket, saying "this one's on me, but if it ever happens again. . ."

I agree with AmusedOne 100%. (gasp J/K)

Did you know that the management of decently busy/classy restaurant would need to pay their servers $15-25 per hour to keep the good ones around, and service would still get worse? What would be their incentive to work harder than the guy across the dining room getting paid the same amount? What would be the incentive for them to really bust ass when it gets extremely busy? Would you rather just flip the server a $5, or do you want to pay the restaurant an extra $10 on the bill?

 

[Gaard]

Bad service...I don't tip.
Good serice...I tip.
Great service...I tip big.
End of story.

AmusedOne -

<< In US full service restaurants the tip is payment for "proper" or "prompt" service. It is not a "gift" for only outstanding or superior service. I've explained this too gawd damn many times in this thread and the other tipping thread I'm not going through it again. >>


Good. I don't need someone telling me I'm obligated to leave a tip. If you come across as the all-knowing tip god once again you'd be morally and ethically guilty of boring me to death.

 

[Amused]

<< Bad service...I don't tip.
Good serice...I tip.
Great service...I tip big.
End of story.

AmusedOne -

<< In US full service restaurants the tip is payment for "proper" or "prompt" service. It is not a "gift" for only outstanding or superior service. I've explained this too gawd damn many times in this thread and the other tipping thread I'm not going through it again. >>


Good. I don't need someone telling me I'm obligated to leave a tip. If you come across as the all-knowing tip god once again you'd be morally and ethically guilty of boring me to death. >>



I never said you had to tip bad service. Please show me where I did. Acceptable service to me is fast and my drink never goes dry. If my drink goes dry once, the tip drops to 10%. Twice, it drops to 5%. If I have to wait fro my waiter longer than a few miniutes, the tip drops as well. THAT is what I'm talking about.

If your waiter is acceptable, I.E., your drink never goes dry and your service is reasonably fast, you should tip. That is ALL I've ever siad. That I have to explain what acceptable service is only shows that people are freakin' dense.

Sorry I bored you. I wouldn't want to do that. Living in AL must be bad enough as it is.

 

[Muadib]

My biggest rant with servers is when they make you wait forever after leaving the check. My tip drops to near zero after that.