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Why do people feel the need to gyp waitresses?

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<< prices have to be jacked up so that the restaurant can pay for their employees, electricity, upkeep...etc. they can't sell something to you for what they paid for it...whats the point of business without profit? >>



Yeah, I pretty much had that much figured out, I didnt drop out of school till after Econ 101.
 
Well, I am a waiter and I know how it goes - don't take it personally -the one thing I learned while in the "serive industry" (I was customer cervice at JC Penneys as well) = people are asswipes in general.:disgust:
 


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Why is the general public so suckered in by the restaurant industry? You pay $20 for a $2 steak, $3 for a 25 cent potato, $4 for a 75 cent beer and $7 for a 45 cent salad, then are expected to subsidize the low wages that the restaurant pays their employees? Hell of a system, it should not be too long before we get to pay for the pleasure of getting seated. >>



And the waiters and waitresses should suffer because you think things should be priced close to what they cost the restaraunts? Take your money else where and hurt the friggin restaraunt instead of taking up the table of someone working her ass off to give you a good meal. You want things to be different then do something that will affect the way things are now! Stop being an ass. >>




It goes both ways, she can go to a restraunt this isnt so cheap-assed that they make her pay for meals that her customers skip out on. If she doesnt want to pay them? FINE. GET A DIFFERENT JOB.
 


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Why is the general public so suckered in by the restaurant industry? You pay $20 for a $2 steak, $3 for a 25 cent potato, $4 for a 75 cent beer and $7 for a 45 cent salad, then are expected to subsidize the low wages that the restaurant pays their employees? Hell of a system, it should not be too long before we get to pay for the pleasure of getting seated. >>


Um.... maybe you're missing something... like EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE RESTAURANT. Who do you thing pays for the electricity to fry that steak, or to bake that potato? Who pays to wash the dishes that you slobber all over? Who pays to cook that food that you believe is so cheap? Or who brings that food to you? Who pays for the lighting so you can see what the fsck it is you're eating? Who pays the rent on the building you're sitting in so you don't get rained on/eaten by mosquitos/anything else? Who pays for all the maintenance that goes on in the restaurant? Answer even ONE of these questions legitimately without saying "me... the customer" and I'll concede your point. Otherwise, I'll await your next response saying why you shouldn't pay a few bucks extra for a meal that you could pay less if you did cook/provide shelter for/serve/clean up/provide power for yourself instead of letting a company do it for you.

Welcome to economics 101. Ready for your next lesson?
 
That sucks, badly.

No one is FORCING people to be waitors/waitresses.
They go into it because they know they can make money.
 


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Why is the general public so suckered in by the restaurant industry? You pay $20 for a $2 steak, $3 for a 25 cent potato, $4 for a 75 cent beer and $7 for a 45 cent salad, then are expected to subsidize the low wages that the restaurant pays their employees? Hell of a system, it should not be too long before we get to pay for the pleasure of getting seated. >>


Um.... maybe you're missing something... like EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE RESTAURANT. Who do you thing pays for the electricity to fry that steak, or to bake that potato? Who pays to wash the dishes that you slobber all over? Who pays to cook that food that you believe is so cheap? Or who brings that food to you? Who pays for the lighting so you can see what the fsck it is you're eating? Who pays the rent on the building you're sitting in so you don't get rained on/eaten by mosquitos/anything else? Who pays for all the maintenance that goes on in the restaurant? Answer even ONE of these questions legitimately without saying "me... the customer" and I'll concede your point. Otherwise, I'll await your next response saying why you shouldn't pay a few bucks extra for a meal that you could pay less if you did cook/provide shelter for/serve/clean up/provide power for yourself instead of letting a company do it for you.

Welcome to economics 101. Ready for your next lesson? >>



I understand the whole concept of being in business for profit, I have no issues with that whatsoever. What I do have issues with as I have stated is the fact that this particular type of business has somehow slipped in and said we arent going to pay our employees crap, we will rely on our customer to do that for us. As a matter of fact we will even lay out guidelines that the customer should pay at least 15% of whatever their bill is to our employees.

Restaurant servers are NOT independent contractors, they are employees of the business, the fact that the business can get away with paying them below minimum wage and basically hold the customer responsible to make sure their EMPLOYEES make a living wage is what I have an issue with.
 
No one is FORCING people to be waitors/waitresses.

Ahhh.. I like that! I'd personally wouldn't leave a tip. It's their job to wait on people. If they don't like it, then refer to the above sentence. I'd rather the restaurant raise their prices to accomodate the wait staff. That's what a tip is, something extra you give to the wait person if you think they did a decent job servicing you. You're not required to leave a tip, but society makes such a bigarse deal about it,incorporating it into the bill. Whatta buncha crock! Yeah, I still tip just because they do put up with a lotta shiznit, but the system sucks. I usually don't go out to eat anyways (poor college student).

*puts on his flame suit.. ziiiiiiiiip!*
 


<< I understand the whole concept of being in business for profit, I have no issues with that whatsoever. What I do have issues with as I have stated is the fact that this particular type of business has somehow slipped in and said we arent going to pay our employees crap, we will rely on our customer to do that for us. As a matter of fact we will even lay out guidelines that the customer should pay at least 15% of whatever their bill is to our employees.

Restaurant servers are NOT independent contractors, they are employees of the business, the fact that the business can get away with paying them below minimum wage and basically hold the customer responsible to make sure their EMPLOYEES make a living wage is what I have an issue with. >>



You don't have to pay 15% of the bill - then again they don't have to actually wait on you hand and foot and bring out your food when it's hot and your beer when it's cold. Them "getting away" with paying below minimum wage is set by the government - the government sets the standards of how much every industry is required to minimally pay. Regarding the responsibility issue - like stated earlier - they can hold themselves responsible for making sure their EMPLOYEES make a living wage but the prices of the food would go up. Would you rather pay an extra $20 a meal because the restaurant takes care of their employee's living wages, or an extra $5 because you're taking care of that employee's living wages? The company isn't going to take a cut on their gross margin - they (being the company and the employees) will get that extra $$ out of you one way or the other. There's a McDonalds on every corner if you don't like tipping.
 
yea...i hate it when people think they're "too cool" to do things or that theyre better than others.

i give big tips to nice people! 🙂 so where's this restaurant at?
 


<< It goes both ways, she can go to a restraunt this isnt so cheap-assed that they make her pay for meals that her customers skip out on. If she doesnt want to pay them? FINE. GET A DIFFERENT JOB. >>



From what I understand, it's a common practice in the restraunt industry.

It's easy to say get a different job...but have you seen the job market lately? Took me 3 months to get my job...no way in hell would I try for another one.
 
ah...another tipping thread...



<< She gets upset (who wouldn't) and follows them out and asks them what she did wrong that she only deserved 28 cents? >>



Hahahaha good for you sister! stupid kids probably won't do that again.

 


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<< It goes both ways, she can go to a restraunt this isnt so cheap-assed that they make her pay for meals that her customers skip out on. If she doesnt want to pay them? FINE. GET A DIFFERENT JOB. >>



From what I understand, it's a common practice in the restraunt industry.

It's easy to say get a different job...but have you seen the job market lately? Took me 3 months to get my job...no way in hell would I try for another one. >>






Well, Im not an expert in the field but I've queried 2 of my waitress friends in the past (one worked at damons, one worked at applebees) and that was not standard proceedure at their restraunts.

Have I seen the job market? Hell yes, Im looking for one! 😉 But food/service jobs are the easiest jobs to get, i'd bet.
 


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Why is the general public so suckered in by the restaurant industry? You pay $20 for a $2 steak, $3 for a 25 cent potato, $4 for a 75 cent beer and $7 for a 45 cent salad, then are expected to subsidize the low wages that the restaurant pays their employees? Hell of a system, it should not be too long before we get to pay for the pleasure of getting seated. >>



I'm in the food business. Once you cover your overhead, those markups don't make nearly as much profit as you obviously think they do. The typical restaurant profit margin is very thin. Haven't you ever wondered why many restaurants close? You're not paying for only the food. You're paying for the building, utilities, the preparation, payroll, the insurance, the MASSIVE red tape and regulations, taxes, the fixtures that are broken every six weeks by vandals, etc...

Tell me, how much would YOU charge your friends for a steak in your home, if that price also had to cover all your household expenses?

And the US tipping system is in place to make you the boss of your server. Replace tipping with hourly wages, and not only will the level of service drop to the same level you get at your local Best Buy/Wal-Mart/McDonalds, but you'll end up paying even more in increased menu prices than you would have for the tip. Because now the restaurant not only has to pay the wages, but matching payroll taxes as well. Do you think restaurants will simply cut their already thin profit margin and not raise prices if they have to start paying full wages after you scrap the tipping system? Hardly.

Folks, the US full service restaurant tipping system SAVES you money, and gets you FAR better service than you would have otherwise.
 
I can't believe Joe's Crab Shack is making your sister foot the bill for those deadbeats. If I were her I would take it up with corporate for principle interest alone. Those bastards probably thought that the restaurant would eat the cost not a lowly waitress.

My mom was a waitress at a truck stop supporting 2 children as a single mom in addition to doing other jobs, without getting any alimony or child support. So I know how important tipping is.

For all you naysayers who have a problem with tipping..let's just say we abolish tipping and the restaurants and service industry have to raise their prices to compensate. Not only will you be paying more for your food, hotels, taxi service and everything else..the quality will go all to hell. Think about it..what's the incentive to bust your butt if you are only going to make as much as the slacker right beside you. No more friendly smiles, no more refilling your coffee or drink without asking.

Without incentive your dining experience will be crap

The least amount I will tip is 10% regardless of the service..If the service is poor I will inform the manager about what was wrong. The manager will relay the message moreso than not leaving a tip.
 
Have you been out in PUBLIC lately?? There are some real morons out there and your sister is going to come across a few every so often.

I laugh when they say "jury of your peers", If I ever have to face that I would insist on them taking IQ tests to make sure they were my peers.

LMAO
 


<< I can't believe Joe's Crab Shack is making your sister foot the bill for those deadbeats. If I were her I would take it up with corporate for principle interest alone. Those bastards probably thought that the restaurant would eat the cost not a lowly waitress. >>



AFAIK thats commin in just about every restaurant nowadays. The sad thing is that it wasn't always like that, but so many people told their friends to come in, then let them leave without paying the bill, then told management that they ran off. Management types finally caught on and started forcing servers to be responsible for deadbeat customers. The good side is that dine-and-dashers stopped being very common, the bad side you can see already. Fortunately it doesn't happen that much to servers... about once every month or three is pretty common now.
 
A tip is a gift that is awarded to a waiter or waitress who goes above and beyond the call of duty to please the customer.

A server who does a lackluster or standard job does not deserve a bonus aka a gift. Anyone who does a lackluster or standard job simply deserves standard pay aka what the restaurant pays them.

Nobody is entitled to gifts/tips/bonuses. Gifts/tips/bonuses are earned through superior performance.
 


<< A tip is a gift that is awarded to a waiter or waitress who goes above and beyond the call of duty to please the customer.

A server who does a lackluster or standard job does not deserve a bonus aka a gift. Anyone who does a lackluster or standard job simply deserves standard pay aka what the restaurant pays them.

Nobody is entitled to gifts/tips/bonuses. Gifts/tips/bonuses are earned through superior performance. >>



The above is just an excuse to save a buck.

A tip is not a gift.

-Erik
 


<< A tip is a gift that is awarded to a waiter or waitress who goes above and beyond the call of duty to please the customer.

A server who does a lackluster or standard job does not deserve a bonus aka a gift. Anyone who does a lackluster or standard job simply deserves standard pay aka what the restaurant pays them.

Nobody is entitled to gifts/tips/bonuses. Gifts/tips/bonuses are earned through superior performance. >>



Bullsh!t. In other industries, maybe, but the US full service restaurant tipping system is payment for service. 15% is the norm for AVERAGE service. Less for bad, more for good. In the US, wait staff is basically 100% dependant on tips. If you get acceptable service and do not tip you are morally and ethically guilty of theft of service, period.
 
Tipping is nessecary as an inncentive for good services, no tip = you get treated like someone at a government office.

Now, saying that, of course you have the right to tip bad if the the service is crap.
 


<< the US full service restaurant tipping system is payment for service. >>



If this were so, it would appear explicitly on the bill.

It is not so. Tipping is therefore a gift for superior service.
 


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<< the US full service restaurant tipping system is payment for service. >>



If this were so, it would appear explicitly on the bill.

It is not so. Tipping is therefore a gift for superior service. >>



Nope, sorry, but that is NOT the custom. However, because of jerk-offs with your attitude, some restaurants ARE including it on the bill, and most do so with large parties.
 
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