busmaster11
Platinum Member
I guess your ability to back up your perspective and debunk my claims one by one really put me in my place...
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I guess your ability to back up your perspective and debunk my claims one by one really put me in my place...
sMiLeYz
Platinum Member
The Clinton Record
CREATING ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND SECURITY FOR ALL AMERICANS
* Signed the Economic Package, August 10, 1993.
* The economy created 7.7 million new jobs in the first 34 months of this Administration.
* Passed the largest deficit-cutting plan in history -- saving more than $1 trillion over seven years.
* On track for three consecutive years of deficit reduction -- for the first time since Harry Truman.
* Cut federal spending by $255 billion over 5 years.
* Made new tax cuts available to over 90% of small businesses.
* Unemployment has fallen from 7% when President Clinton took office to its current rate of 5.6%
* Lowest combined rate of unemployment and inflation since 1968.
* 1994 real GDP growth was the highest in a decade.
* Proposed a plan to balance the budget while protecting critical investments in education.
PROMOTING A FUTURE OF OPPORTUNITY
* Increased Head Start funding by almost $760 million.
* Passed the Student Loan Reform Act, August 10, 1993.
* Implemented the National Service Act, September 21, 1993.
* Signed the Goals 2000: Educate America Act, March 31, 1994.
* Enacted the School-to-Work Opportunities Act on May 4, 1994.
* Signed the Elementary and Secondary Education Act Reauthorization
MAKING COMMUNITIES AND SCHOOLS SAFE FOR OUR FAMILIES
* Passed the toughest most comprehensive Crime Bill ever, September 13, 1994
* Signed the Brady Bill, November 30, 1993.
* Enacted the Assault Weapons Ban as part of the Crime Bill.
* Put 100,000 new police on the street -- nearly 31,000 more officers have been funded.
* Signed the Violence Against Women Act as part of the Crime Bill.
* Signed the Safe and Drug-Free Schools Act, October 20, 1994.
* Issued Presidential Directive enforcing a "Zero Tolerance" gun policy in schools, October 22, 1994
* Submitted and fought for the most comprehensive Drug Control budget ever.
MAKING GOVERNMENT WORK BETTER AND COST LESS
* Already cut the Federal Workforce by over 200,000 -- on the way to lowest level in 30 years.
* Abolishing 16,000 pages of obsolete regulations and rewriting 31,000 more pages.
* $58 billion in savings are already in the bank. $46 billion in savings are still to come.
* Over 180 new recommendations will save $70 billion. Eliminated 284 federal advisory committees.
* Developed government-wide Customer Service Standards for the first time.
* Appointed the most diverse Cabinet and Administration in history.
* Signed the most important federal procurement act ever to streamline government purchasing.
* Reformed Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation to protect 8.5 million pensions.
* Signed the Unfunded Mandates Reform Act, March 22, 1995.
CREATING OPPORTUNITY IN AMERICA'S COMMUNITIES
* Created nine Economic Empowerment Zones and 95 Enterprise Communities.
* Signed the Community Development Banking Financial Institutions Act, Sept. 23, 1994.
* Signed the Interstate Banking Bill, September 29, 1994.
* Instituted the Defense Reinvestment and Conversion Initiative.
* Reformed the Community Reinvestment Act to focus on performance rather than paperwork.
* Made the Low-Income Housing Tax Credit and Mortgage Revenue Bond Program permanent.
PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT AND OUR PUBLIC HEALTH
* Issued a new executive order to require polluters to disclose information to the public and expanded the public's right-to-know about toxic releases.
* Launched "reinventing environmental regulation" to cut red tape and better protect public health.
* Issued a new standard to cut pollution from chemical plants 90% by 1997.
* Signed executive orders to increase recycling and cut pollution in federal buildings.
* Signed the California Desert Protection Act, October 31, 1994.
* Issued a new standard to cut pollution from incinerators 95%.
* Introduced comprehensive Safe Drinking Water and Superfund reforms.
* Developed a plan to restore Florida's Everglades.
* Ended decades of conflict over the allocation of California Bay-Delta water.
PROMOTING HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS
* Passed the Family and Medical Leave Act, February 5, 1993.
* Signed a comprehensive Child Immunization Plan.
* Revoked the Reagan/Bush restrictions on abortion counseling ("the gag rule"), abortions in military hospitals, "Mexico City" policy and RU-486 imports.
* Increased Ryan White CARE Act funding for outpatient AIDS care over 100% in first 3 budgets.
* Put the Women, Infants and Children Program (WIC) on a full-funding path.
* Increased funding 65% for breast cancer research.
* As part of the balanced budget plan, introduced health care reform initiative which strengthens Medicare and expands coverage.
* Proposed a $1.3 billion increase in veterans' benefits -- of which $1 billion will be directed to the VA health system to provide treatment for 43,000 more veterans.
PRESERVING AND STRENGTHENING OUR FAMILIES
* Expanded the Earned Income Tax Credit providing tax relief for 15 million working families.
* Introduced the Work and Responsibility Act - comprehensive welfare reform.
* Passed the Family Support and Preservation Program.
* Passed major funding increases for homeless programs in both Houses.
* Approved 35 waivers to states permitting comprehensive welfare reform demonstrations.
* Collected a record $10 billion in child support through enforcement in 1994.
* Signed the Social Security Independent Agency Act.
* Increased adoption and foster care funds by almost $600 million from 1994-1995.
RESTORING TRUST IN OUR GOVERNMENT
* Signed the National Voter Registration Act (Motor-Voter), May 20, 1993.
* Eliminated the tax deduction for lobbying expenses.
* Imposed strictest Administration ethics guidelines in history.
* Barred top officials from becoming foreign lobbyists after leaving government.
* Signed the Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995 -- the first overhaul of lobbying rules in 50 years.
* Fought for passage of and signed into law the Congressional Accountability Act, January 22, 1995.
* Fought for passage of line-item veto and campaign finance.
OPENING FOREIGN MARKETS TO AMERICAN GOODS
* Signed NAFTA into law, December 8, 1993, which will create hundreds of thousands of US jobs.
* Signed GATT into law, December 8, 1994, the largest trade agreement in history.
* Secured free-trade commitments from Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) leaders.
* Hosted Summit of the Americas and agreed to negotiate a Free Trade Area of the Americas by 2005
* Developed National Export Strategy, eliminating outdated export controls on $35 billion in exports.
* Opened 15 different market sectors in Japan ranging from telecommunications procurement to rice.
* Reached historic agreement with Japan on opening its automotive market to billions of dollars worth of American cars and parts.
* Reached agreement with China to provide intellectual property rights protection for billions of dollars worth of U.S. exports.
AMERICAN LEADERSHIP
* Helped Israel and Jordan achieve an historic peace treaty and Israel and the Palestinians fulfill their historic accord.
* Contributed to an historic cease-fire in Northern Ireland.
* Restored democratically elected Haitian President Aristide to power; will continue to stop the flow of refugees to Florida.
* Undertook, with NATO allies and UN, military and diplomatic actions to alleviate the suffering and lead the effort to broker a comprehensive peace agreement in Bosnia.
* Russian nuclear missiles are no longer pointed at our cities.
* Persuaded Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan to give up the nuclear weapons left on their land when the Soviet Union collapsed.
* Agreed to framework with North Korea that freezes and leads to the eventual elimination of North Korea s dangerous nuclear program.
* Led the international effort to secure the indefinite and unconditional extension of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) further reducing the danger of nuclear proliferation around the world.
* Working to prevent nuclear weapons from ending up in the hands of terrorists or international criminals.
* Air-lifted more than half a ton of vulnerable, highly enriched uranium, enough to make dozens of nuclear bombs, from Kazakhstan to safe storage.
* Assisted South Africa's transition to democracy, providing support for elections and development.
* Bringing the nations of Europe closer:
-- Modernizing NATO;
-- Working with Russia;
-- Reforming the former Soviet Union economies
* Waging a tough counter-terrorism campaign with stronger laws and more training for law enforcement.
* Maintaining strong sanctions against states that sponsor terrorism and defy the rule of rule, such as Iran, Iraq, Libya and Sudan.
* Sent our planes, ships and troops to turn back a new Iraqi threat to the Persian Gulf.
A surplus under clinton!
He sure did nothing
Edit: Seriously Sleestak, where have you been the eight years when Clinton was president? Living under a rock or just stuck in denial?
Sounds like that was ripped straight from the Bill Clinton library. Where's your link?Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
The Clinton Record
CREATING ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND SECURITY FOR ALL AMERICANS
* Signed the Economic Package, August 10, 1993.
* The economy created 7.7 million new jobs in the first 34 months of this Administration.
* Passed the largest deficit-cutting plan in history -- saving more than $1 trillion over seven years.
* On track for three consecutive years of deficit reduction -- for the first time since Harry Truman.
* Cut federal spending by $255 billion over 5 years.
* Made new tax cuts available to over 90% of small businesses.
* Unemployment has fallen from 7% when President Clinton took office to its current rate of 5.6%
* Lowest combined rate of unemployment and inflation since 1968.
* 1994 real GDP growth was the highest in a decade.
* Proposed a plan to balance the budget while protecting critical investments in education.
PROMOTING A FUTURE OF OPPORTUNITY
* Increased Head Start funding by almost $760 million.
* Passed the Student Loan Reform Act, August 10, 1993.
* Implemented the National Service Act, September 21, 1993.
* Signed the Goals 2000: Educate America Act, March 31, 1994.
* Enacted the School-to-Work Opportunities Act on May 4, 1994.
* Signed the Elementary and Secondary Education Act Reauthorization
MAKING COMMUNITIES AND SCHOOLS SAFE FOR OUR FAMILIES
* Passed the toughest most comprehensive Crime Bill ever, September 13, 1994
* Signed the Brady Bill, November 30, 1993.
* Enacted the Assault Weapons Ban as part of the Crime Bill.
* Put 100,000 new police on the street -- nearly 31,000 more officers have been funded.
* Signed the Violence Against Women Act as part of the Crime Bill.
* Signed the Safe and Drug-Free Schools Act, October 20, 1994.
* Issued Presidential Directive enforcing a "Zero Tolerance" gun policy in schools, October 22, 1994
* Submitted and fought for the most comprehensive Drug Control budget ever.
MAKING GOVERNMENT WORK BETTER AND COST LESS
* Already cut the Federal Workforce by over 200,000 -- on the way to lowest level in 30 years.
* Abolishing 16,000 pages of obsolete regulations and rewriting 31,000 more pages.
* $58 billion in savings are already in the bank. $46 billion in savings are still to come.
* Over 180 new recommendations will save $70 billion. Eliminated 284 federal advisory committees.
* Developed government-wide Customer Service Standards for the first time.
* Appointed the most diverse Cabinet and Administration in history.
* Signed the most important federal procurement act ever to streamline government purchasing.
* Reformed Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation to protect 8.5 million pensions.
* Signed the Unfunded Mandates Reform Act, March 22, 1995.
CREATING OPPORTUNITY IN AMERICA'S COMMUNITIES
* Created nine Economic Empowerment Zones and 95 Enterprise Communities.
* Signed the Community Development Banking Financial Institutions Act, Sept. 23, 1994.
* Signed the Interstate Banking Bill, September 29, 1994.
* Instituted the Defense Reinvestment and Conversion Initiative.
* Reformed the Community Reinvestment Act to focus on performance rather than paperwork.
* Made the Low-Income Housing Tax Credit and Mortgage Revenue Bond Program permanent.
PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT AND OUR PUBLIC HEALTH
* Issued a new executive order to require polluters to disclose information to the public and expanded the public's right-to-know about toxic releases.
* Launched "reinventing environmental regulation" to cut red tape and better protect public health.
* Issued a new standard to cut pollution from chemical plants 90% by 1997.
* Signed executive orders to increase recycling and cut pollution in federal buildings.
* Signed the California Desert Protection Act, October 31, 1994.
* Issued a new standard to cut pollution from incinerators 95%.
* Introduced comprehensive Safe Drinking Water and Superfund reforms.
* Developed a plan to restore Florida's Everglades.
* Ended decades of conflict over the allocation of California Bay-Delta water.
PROMOTING HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS
* Passed the Family and Medical Leave Act, February 5, 1993.
* Signed a comprehensive Child Immunization Plan.
* Revoked the Reagan/Bush restrictions on abortion counseling ("the gag rule"), abortions in military hospitals, "Mexico City" policy and RU-486 imports.
* Increased Ryan White CARE Act funding for outpatient AIDS care over 100% in first 3 budgets.
* Put the Women, Infants and Children Program (WIC) on a full-funding path.
* Increased funding 65% for breast cancer research.
* As part of the balanced budget plan, introduced health care reform initiative which strengthens Medicare and expands coverage.
* Proposed a $1.3 billion increase in veterans' benefits -- of which $1 billion will be directed to the VA health system to provide treatment for 43,000 more veterans.
PRESERVING AND STRENGTHENING OUR FAMILIES
* Expanded the Earned Income Tax Credit providing tax relief for 15 million working families.
* Introduced the Work and Responsibility Act - comprehensive welfare reform.
* Passed the Family Support and Preservation Program.
* Passed major funding increases for homeless programs in both Houses.
* Approved 35 waivers to states permitting comprehensive welfare reform demonstrations.
* Collected a record $10 billion in child support through enforcement in 1994.
* Signed the Social Security Independent Agency Act.
* Increased adoption and foster care funds by almost $600 million from 1994-1995.
RESTORING TRUST IN OUR GOVERNMENT
* Signed the National Voter Registration Act (Motor-Voter), May 20, 1993.
* Eliminated the tax deduction for lobbying expenses.
* Imposed strictest Administration ethics guidelines in history.
* Barred top officials from becoming foreign lobbyists after leaving government.
* Signed the Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995 -- the first overhaul of lobbying rules in 50 years.
* Fought for passage of and signed into law the Congressional Accountability Act, January 22, 1995.
* Fought for passage of line-item veto and campaign finance.
OPENING FOREIGN MARKETS TO AMERICAN GOODS
* Signed NAFTA into law, December 8, 1993, which will create hundreds of thousands of US jobs.
* Signed GATT into law, December 8, 1994, the largest trade agreement in history.
* Secured free-trade commitments from Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) leaders.
* Hosted Summit of the Americas and agreed to negotiate a Free Trade Area of the Americas by 2005
* Developed National Export Strategy, eliminating outdated export controls on $35 billion in exports.
* Opened 15 different market sectors in Japan ranging from telecommunications procurement to rice.
* Reached historic agreement with Japan on opening its automotive market to billions of dollars worth of American cars and parts.
* Reached agreement with China to provide intellectual property rights protection for billions of dollars worth of U.S. exports.
AMERICAN LEADERSHIP
* Helped Israel and Jordan achieve an historic peace treaty and Israel and the Palestinians fulfill their historic accord.
* Contributed to an historic cease-fire in Northern Ireland.
* Restored democratically elected Haitian President Aristide to power; will continue to stop the flow of refugees to Florida.
* Undertook, with NATO allies and UN, military and diplomatic actions to alleviate the suffering and lead the effort to broker a comprehensive peace agreement in Bosnia.
* Russian nuclear missiles are no longer pointed at our cities.
* Persuaded Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan to give up the nuclear weapons left on their land when the Soviet Union collapsed.
* Agreed to framework with North Korea that freezes and leads to the eventual elimination of North Korea s dangerous nuclear program.
* Led the international effort to secure the indefinite and unconditional extension of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) further reducing the danger of nuclear proliferation around the world.
* Working to prevent nuclear weapons from ending up in the hands of terrorists or international criminals.
* Air-lifted more than half a ton of vulnerable, highly enriched uranium, enough to make dozens of nuclear bombs, from Kazakhstan to safe storage.
* Assisted South Africa's transition to democracy, providing support for elections and development.
* Bringing the nations of Europe closer:
-- Modernizing NATO;
-- Working with Russia;
-- Reforming the former Soviet Union economies
* Waging a tough counter-terrorism campaign with stronger laws and more training for law enforcement.
* Maintaining strong sanctions against states that sponsor terrorism and defy the rule of rule, such as Iran, Iraq, Libya and Sudan.
* Sent our planes, ships and troops to turn back a new Iraqi threat to the Persian Gulf.
A surplus under clinton!
He sure did nothing
Edit: Seriously Sleestak, where have you been the eight years when Clinton was president? Living under a rock or just stuck in denial?
A surplus under Clinton. You do know that was fueled by the tech boom right. Something he had nothing to do with. You also know what the meaning of the government having a surplus is right? You know, the fact that it means they took too much of our money in taxes.
busmaster11
Platinum Member
So what does this say about a deficit? Especially a record-breaking one three years removed from a surplus, not to mention the depleating of Social Security?
What does that say about the big corp whore you call your prez, and his grand idea of lowering taxes every year, even at the caution of Greenspan, whose got more live brain cells than bushy can ever hope?
Oh, yeah, forgot. It's doing wonders for unemployemnt..
Economics v. government fiscal discipline? Hmmmm. I grasp those differences just find. Nice how you dodged the question of the surplus meaning the government took too much of our money in taxes. Then again you've probably never met a tax you didn't like. Those with their hands out never seem to mind that others are carrying the load for them.
The deficit. Well that has a lot to do with 9/11 and the costs associated with making the country a safer place. I suppose we could stop the spending and let every Habib, Omar, and Ali-Akbar-Rashidi-Meyami-Al Said into the country and not bother worrying about further terrorist attacks. And I suppose we could pull out of Afghanistan and let the Taliban take over again. And I suppose we could pull out of Iraq and let the country go back to funding terrorism. And I suppose we could pull out of the Philippines and stop fighting Al-Queda there. And I suppose we could just cut the military in 1/2 and hope nobody attacks us. And I suppose we can all join hands and sing the Coca Cola song about the world being an happier place and ignore all the threats in the world. Yes, we would be much better off then..
Depleting Social Security. Come on now. You and everyone else knows that Social Security would be solvent if Congress would stop robbing it to pay for shortfalls of other programs. Then again Social Security in it's current form should fail. Maybe then someone would actually do something about fixing the way it is setup.
Cutting taxes? All for it my friend. The problem is that spending never gets cut. Oh they try to cut it but the Democrats start screaming about the Republicans starving old people and throwing babies against the wall. Entitlements will be the death of the U.S. When you have generation after generation with their hands out eventually you have very few people actually working and paying those taxes. Taxes increase, so people and business leave and go elsewhere.
Unemployment is up, but in reality it isn't that bad. What is it now, 6.5%? That's nothing. Normal employment is around 5% I believe. People just got spoiled during the tech boom and the spend and hire crazy years. The economy is still growing you know, and at a sustainable/realistic rate.
busmaster11
Platinum Member
Or we can just nix the idea of tax cuts benefitting mostly the rich... naw - that wouldn't make sense would it?
Correct - one guess which political majority rules Congress these days... uh-huh...
Why would I want to cut taxes? It's my duty as an American to pay taxes. How its appropriated is an important but separate concern for another day. Mine is to not evade it.
Tax cuts when you have such a deficit is not fiscally responsible anyway. Greenspan said so.
No, but this is a convienient way for Bush to get political donations.
The average middle class person doesn't donate to Presidential candidates....but a lot of upper middle class and wealthy do. Give them the real tax cut....and get it some of it back for your next campaign.
Who said Bush was dumb?
Ahh the old "The tax cuts only benefit the rich argument. I'm anything buy rich and the tax cuts have helped me. It's true that those who make more money get more back, that's just the way it should be. You pay more taxes, so of course you would get more back as a percentage. Any 3rd grader should be able to figure that out. If you need help finding one to explain it to you I suggest you head to Chuck E. Cheese tomorrow and get some help.
Yes, the Republicans are in controll of Congress now, but any time they try to change the way things are done with Social Security the Democrats scream bloddy murder and start trying to convince the elderly that the Republicans are out to starve them and eat their bones.
Your duty as an American to pay taxes? You have a f'd up view of things my friend. A very f'd up view of things. The Federal government has the following duties and only the following duties.
Defend the shores
Deliver the mail
Print the money
All the social programs dreamed up by the likes of LBJ & FDR are criminal and a drain on society. You may enjoy paying taxes, I don't.
sMiLeYz
Platinum Member
You still don't get it.
In the years Clinton was office, taxes remained pretty constant... the surplus was caused by responsible spending and a sound budget that Clinton proposed. I'm going to cite a piece from the Clinton record...
E-Z READER SUMMARY:
The surplus wasnt caused by raising taxes, but by responsible spending by Clinton.
busmaster11
Platinum Member
So there weren't any lobbyists in DC trying to get Bush to sign off on tax cuts?
I'm sorry you feel that way. I know many (perhaps a majority of Americans) feel that way. But I am a naturalized citizen. I came to the states 22 years ago when I was 4; from the PRC, where they have no clue WTF they're doing... It's odd, coming from a commie country to a free country only to listen to people wanting what amounts to anarchy.
Without those "programs" like food stamps and supplimental SS income, my parents and I may have never survived. I'm making good money now and this is why I feel obligated, and priveleged to pay taxes, and why I look forward to contributing to America.
Maybe you feel my case is in the minority. Appropriating tax dollars is a separate issue, but paying taxes is an obligation to me, and though it may be naive to think so, in a sense I feel it legitimizes my right to enjoy the benifits of living in this country.
A post from someone that has not now or ever will do any fundraising for a candidate of there choise.
I have been involved in many many fundraisers for candidates and have found the middle and lower income persons give much more per cent wise that there richer neighbors.
Bleep
LunarRay
Diamond Member
The real difference is using the raised funds to buy votes and to get the message out... It is hard to tell the difference... neither will tell which is the truth... so it seems to me... the folks who give the larger $ amounts seek to buy the votes and the folks who give the lessor amount simply try to help get the message out... So Vote for the Kennedy of your choice but vote..
You mean like how Reagan wasn't President during Clinton's terms in office but that didn't stop the Democrats from dragging his name through the mud every 3.2 seconds? Once again the Democrats prove that they don't like Republicans to play by the same rules they do. Oh it's fine for a Democrat to attack a Republican ex President but God forbid a Republican attack and ex Democrat President.
sMiLeYz
Platinum Member
I dont think a damn person democrat or not has bashed Reagan in the forums. If it makes you feel better Reagan and Bush Sr. are 10x better presidents than Bush Jr.
Clinton had sex with a intern and lied about it, while Reagan sold arms to terrorists and lied about it.
Given that all presidents lie, and partisans will criticize them for it. Who's lie do you think is worse?
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