Why do many here hate religion ....

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: notfred
Nobody hates christ. People hate churches and thier followers that start wars, hate homosexuals, molest children, try to pass laws to restrict our freedoms, come to our doors with stupid pamphlets and annoy us, etc.

Why hate just "churches and their followers"? Why stop there? Why not just hate all of humanity? As long as we're going to use the wrongs of a tiny fraction of a certain group as a means of judging the group as a whole I think humanity in general would be a much better group to dislike. I'm quite certain you'll find the wrongs of the minority in that group to be much more prolific. Just a thought.

 

[RedPickle]

Originally posted by: Pandaren
I am not a religious person. I don't hate religion, and I certainly don't hate Christ.

What I do hate is that as a non-Christian living in the United States, I have often felt like a second class citizen. When I was in public school, only a few years ago, other kids would say "you don't beleive in God???" And they would lecture me and such.

The line "under God" in the pledge. The public school singing Christmas carols every December. "In God We Trust" on currency and "God bless America" at the end of every Presidential address. I wondered if people in my hometown would ever vote for me if I decided someday to run for office.

The sum of this was that I felt that others viewed me as somehow unworthy or inferior to themselves.

EXACTLY how i feel.

 

[UsandThem]

Originally posted by: Pandaren
I am not a religious person. I don't hate religion, and I certainly don't hate Christ.

What I do hate is that as a non-Christian living in the United States, I have often felt like a second class citizen. When I was in public school, only a few years ago, other kids would say "you don't beleive in God???" And they would lecture me and such.

The line "under God" in the pledge. The public school singing Christmas carols every December. "In God We Trust" on currency and "God bless America" at the end of every Presidential address. I wondered if people in my hometown would ever vote for me if I decided someday to run for office.

The sum of this was that I felt that others viewed me as somehow unworthy or inferior to themselves.

The U.S. was founded by Christians, hence the references to God in the Bill of Rights and the Constitiution. They wanted the U.S. to be a Christian nation with Christian values, however giving the freedom to follow another religion or no religion at all. Why should that now be changed? What is so bad having to say "one nation under God"? Either you believe in a "God" or you don't believe there is a God, and hence the saying is more of a joke to you.

I am just curious of your answer BTW

 

[glen]

Nothign wrong with the message, but a whole lot of mesangers, Christians, are irrational, dogmatic, and condecending.

 

[rahvin]

I can't hate someone or something that didn't exist.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: UsandThem

Originally posted by: Pandaren
I am not a religious person. I don't hate religion, and I certainly don't hate Christ.

What I do hate is that as a non-Christian living in the United States, I have often felt like a second class citizen. When I was in public school, only a few years ago, other kids would say "you don't beleive in God???" And they would lecture me and such.

The line "under God" in the pledge. The public school singing Christmas carols every December. "In God We Trust" on currency and "God bless America" at the end of every Presidential address. I wondered if people in my hometown would ever vote for me if I decided someday to run for office.

The sum of this was that I felt that others viewed me as somehow unworthy or inferior to themselves.

The U.S. was founded by Christians, hence the references to God in the Bill of Rights and the Constitiution. They wanted the U.S. to be a Christian nation with Christian values, however giving the freedom to follow another religion or no religion at all. Why should that now be changed? What is so bad having to say "one nation under God"? Either you believe in a "God" or you don't believe there is a God, and hence the saying is more of a joke to you.

I am just curious of your answer BTW

"under god" was not added to the Pledge until 1954.

 

[thetman]

I personally am not religious at all. I have nothing against people who do, but in my opinion, religion is an excuse for the unexplainable. People need an answer for everything, and when they can't find an easy answer for something, they just make it up and pretend that "god" said so. Its also a reason to have morals. Why don't I steal and kill people? Not because I'm afraid of going to hell, but rather because I know that it is wrong to do. Some people don't want to determine their own morals, and instead go with what other people said.

 

[UsandThem]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: UsandThem

Originally posted by: Pandaren
I am not a religious person. I don't hate religion, and I certainly don't hate Christ.

What I do hate is that as a non-Christian living in the United States, I have often felt like a second class citizen. When I was in public school, only a few years ago, other kids would say "you don't beleive in God???" And they would lecture me and such.

The line "under God" in the pledge. The public school singing Christmas carols every December. "In God We Trust" on currency and "God bless America" at the end of every Presidential address. I wondered if people in my hometown would ever vote for me if I decided someday to run for office.

The sum of this was that I felt that others viewed me as somehow unworthy or inferior to themselves.

The U.S. was founded by Christians, hence the references to God in the Bill of Rights and the Constitiution. They wanted the U.S. to be a Christian nation with Christian values, however giving the freedom to follow another religion or no religion at all. Why should that now be changed? What is so bad having to say "one nation under God"? Either you believe in a "God" or you don't believe there is a God, and hence the saying is more of a joke to you.

I am just curious of your answer BTW

"under god" was not added to the Pledge until 1954.

True, but what about all the references to God by our forfathers. I know the U.S. it is prevented from having an official government religion (i.e. Catholic is the official religion of the German government), but you have to admit we were founded by Christians and they gave certain rights to all. Why now fight it so much?

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: thetman
I personally am not religious at all. I have nothing against people who do, but in my opinion, religion is an excuse for the unexplainable. People need an answer for everything, and when they can't find an easy answer for something, they just make it up and pretend that "god" said so.

exactly how I feel

also so called "organized religion" has brought the world nothing but trouble sence it began

beleiveing in the teachings of whoever you do is 1 thing, but makeing a cult out of it like all religions are is what is wrong

 

[UsandThem]

Originally posted by: rahvin
I can't hate someone or something that didn't exist.

So, honestly you think Jesus never lived? I'm not saying that you have to believe he was the Mesiah, but to say that he never existed.

I never seen a photo picture of Julias Caesar, but he had to exist, right?

 

[CanOWorms]

I just choose to support the Lord Satan instead. He whispers to me every night about the horrors of Jesus.

 

[Pandaren]

I think the founders wanted the U.S. to be a nation based on the rule of law, due process and reason, not Christianity. The entire U.S. Government is based on these principles, and not those of the Bible.

I don't have a problem with most Christian values. I do have a problem with people assuming that I am an immoral or "bad" person for not being a Christian.

When I was in elementary school, why should I have been made to say something I didn't believe? And I didn't know that I had a choice not to say the pledge. The teacher did it, everyone else did it, the Principal led the school in the pledge over the PA system every day, and I didn't have a list of rules or a handbook that would absolve me of what I assumed was a mandated activity.

Originally posted by: UsandThem

The U.S. was founded by Christians, hence the references to God in the Bill of Rights and the Constitiution. They wanted the U.S. to be a Christian nation with Christian values, however giving the freedom to follow another religion or no religion at all. Why should that now be changed? What is so bad having to say "one nation under God"? Either you believe in a "God" or you don't believe there is a God, and hence the saying is more of a joke to you.

I am just curious of your answer BTW

 

[UsandThem]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I just choose to support the Lord Satan instead. He whispers to me every night about the horrors of Jesus.

You too?

I thought I was the only one and I'm glad I'm not!

 

[UsandThem]

And I didn't know that I had a choice not to say the pledge.

But you did, just like I had a choice when I was in school. Would you even get that choice in most Muslim countries?

All you had to do was stand. Just like when they sang the Star Spangled Banner (well you don't have to stand, but you probably will get something thrown at you if you don't).

 

[oniq]

Originally posted by: UsandThem

And I didn't know that I had a choice not to say the pledge.

But you did, just like I had a choice when I was in school. Would you even get that choice in most Muslim countries?

All you had to do was stand. Just like when they sang the Star Spangles Banner (well you don't have to stand, but you probably will get something thrown at you if you don't).

I didn't stand. Screw them and their Godly country bullsh1t.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: XietyCOM
Because logic > religion.

"Faith is often the boast of the men who is too lazy to investigate."

- F. M. Knowles



By the way, I don't hate Christ. I hate people that try to convert others in every opportunity.

And I suppose grammar is the boast of men who is educated?

 

[UsandThem]

I didn't stand. Screw them and their Godly country bullsh1t.

You standing was not for a "Godly country bullsh!t". It was for our country and its way of life and your commitment to that way of life. Just because it says "God" in it one time, does not destroy or take away from what we have and what we have achieved.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: XietyCOM
Because logic > religion.

"Faith is often the boast of the men who is too lazy to investigate."

- F. M. Knowles



By the way, I don't hate Christ. I hate people that try to convert others in every opportunity.

And I suppose grammar is the boast of men who is educated?

Haha.

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: minendo

I can understand not believing something or not being religious, but what did Christ teach that causes so many to "hate" him.

It's not that I hate religion, it's the religous zealots I hate.

yep (those who blindly follow their faith)

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: XietyCOM
Because logic > religion.

"Faith is often the boast of the men who is too lazy to investigate."

- F. M. Knowles



By the way, I don't hate Christ. I hate people that try to convert others in every opportunity.

And I suppose grammar is the boast of men who is educated?

:lips:

 

[flyboy84]

jesus save me from your followers

 

[m2kewl]

religion is a sham for the weak-minded people...

that is all.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: XietyCOM

Originally posted by: Pandaren
I am not a religious person. I don't hate religion, and I certainly don't hate Christ.

What I do hate is that as a non-Christian living in the United States, I have often felt like a second class citizen. When I was in public school, only a few years ago, other kids would say "you don't beleive in God???" And they would lecture me and such.

The line "under God" in the pledge. The public school singing Christmas carols every December. "In God We Trust" on currency and "God bless America" at the end of every Presidential address. I wondered if people in my hometown would ever vote for me if I decided someday to run for office.

The sum of this was that I felt that others viewed me as somehow unworthy or inferior to themselves.

few good points :thumbsup:

yup, the nonreligious are the few its still ok to discriminate against. easiest example is the fact that an athiest cannot be elected to office

True, but what about all the references to God by our forfathers. I know the U.S. it is prevented from having an official government religion (i.e. Catholic is the official religion of the German government), but you have to admit we were founded by Christians and they gave certain rights to all. Why now fight it so much?

you wouldn't like the beliefs of our forfathers. they were deists. believers of a god of nature, a god that doesn't interfere in the ways of man. jefferson for instance believed the bible was written by ignorant unlettered men. his words not mine. franklin, paine, washington etc.. all believed in a way that was nothing like the fanatics of today. rarely did washington even bother going to church. at best they considered christ a wise man, but son of god? bible? not so much.
this book has a decent bit on it.
alan dershowitz-america delcares independence

 

[boyRacer]

Because people here don't like to be told what to do.

 

[virtuamike]

I don't hate Christ. I just hate Christians.

Get off the ego trip. The Constitution was written on democratic morals and values, not Christian ones. If Jesus were born in the caveman era, I swear the Christians would try to patent fire too.