Why do leftists like FDR so much?

[Juror No. 8]

And your responce to that implied that I thought that was a good idea. Look, if you are going to be a prick at least learn some reading comprehension. Otherwise you just come off as an obnoxious douche.

Look, man, here are your own words again:

maybe keeping the asians in american camps was safer for them...

This is seemingly your attempt at rationalizing the incarceration of innocent American citizens in concentration camps.

If you didn't think it was a good idea innocent American citizens in concentration camps, why would you try to rationalize the decision in this way? Do you always try to rationalize bad decisions you don't agree with?

 

[Juror No. 8]

Holy fuck you are retarded.

Translation:

"I can't rationally respond to any of the points you made. You've defeated me and I have no choice but to surrender. I am going to wave the white flag now."

 

[Texashiker]

It's called historical context, look it up.

The ONLY difference was the name? Are you fucking being serious right now?

I am serious.

Did a single person die in the Japanese camp due to neglect, lack of medical care or unsanitary conditions?

If a single person died, if they were denied basic rights, if they were denied access to the outside world, if they were denied anything that people on the outside had, then there is no difference between an internment camp and a concentration camp.

 

[ivwshane]

Translation:

"I can't rationally respond to any of the points you made. You've defeated me and I have no choice but to surrender. I am going to wave the white flag now."

I can't respond rationally because you made no rational points.

 

[ivwshane]

I am serious.

Did a single person die in the Japanese camp due to neglect, lack of medical care or unsanitary conditions?

If a single person died, if they were denied basic rights, if they were denied access to the outside world, if they were denied anything that people on the outside had, then there is no difference between an internment camp and a concentration camp.

Fair enough, the conversation is over.

 

[Anarchist420]

I am serious. Did a single person die in the Japanese camp due to neglect, lack of medical care or unsanitary conditions? If a single person died, if they were denied basic rights, if they were denied access to the outside world, if they were denied anything that people on the outside had, then there is no difference between an internment camp and a concentration camp.

Many, many Japanese people died in those camps. As a matter of fact, those camps were deadlier than the Trail of Tears or Pearl Harbor.

 

[ivwshane]

Many, many Japanese people died in those camps. As a matter of fact, those camps were deadlier than the Trail of Tears or Pearl Harbor.

Can I get a source for that claim?

 

[Texashiker]

Many, many Japanese people died in those camps. As a matter of fact, those camps were deadlier than the Trail of Tears or Pearl Harbor.

Can I get a source for that claim?

For later reference, I would like to know the source of that information as well.

 

[Thebobo]

Many, many Japanese people died in those camps. As a matter of fact, those camps were deadlier than the Trail of Tears or Pearl Harbor.

What do you mean by deadlier? No one was forced to march a or bombed to death.

 

[Anarchist420]

Can I get a source for that claim?

For later reference, I would like to know the source of that information as well.

It wasn't deadlier than the Trail of Tears (60k died from the Trail of Tears plus the deaths from the indian wars, I had thought Trail of Tears was 3k, my mistake). More probably died in the concentration camps than at pearl harbor on 12/7/41 though. Think about all the diseases, "accidental" shootings by U.S. soldiers and the lack of ability to give them adequate food and beverage. Temperate climates were not picked for most the concentration camps either.

 

[ivwshane]

It wasn't deadlier than the Trail of Tears (60k died from the Trail of Tears plus the deaths from the indian wars, I had thought Trail of Tears was 3k, my mistake). More probably died in the concentration camps than at pearl harbor on 12/7/41 though. Think about all the diseases, "accidental" shootings by U.S. soldiers and the lack of ability to give them adequate food and beverage. Temperate climates were not picked for most the concentration camps either.

If your argument rests on "probably" then you don't have an argument.



I would love to see some facts from you with sources! It would be an amazing day if that happened!

 

[shadow9d9]

I see Republican leaders regularly bring up Reagan.. I see no one bringing up FDR except for you guys. You so desperately want an equivalent of St Reagan... projection at its finest!

 

[Oyeve]

Look, man, here are your own words again:



This is seemingly your attempt at rationalizing the incarceration of innocent American citizens in concentration camps.

If you didn't think it was a good idea innocent American citizens in concentration camps, why would you try to rationalize the decision in this way? Do you always try to rationalize bad decisions you don't agree with?

Wow you really are a stupid ass who can't read or comprehend.

 

[Genx87]

It's called historical context, look it up.

And I just asked you what the hell does context have to do with locking US citizens because they were Japanese? You are excusing this behavior why?

 

[Juror No. 8]

Wow you really are a stupid ass who can't read or comprehend.

Listen, Child Left Behind, ifyou want to be understood, perhaps you should attempt to write and communicate your ideas at a level somewhere beyond the 3rd grade?

This isn't difficult stuff.

 

[ivwshane]

And I just asked you what the hell does context have to do with locking US citizens because they were Japanese? You are excusing this behavior why?

And I asked you to look up the definition of historical context. Educate yourself so that when I explain to you what the context was and why it matters you understand it.


Regarding the bolded; Let me know when you are capable of having a convsersation without using straw men.

 

[ivwshane]

Listen, Child Left Behind, ifyou want to be understood, perhaps you should attempt to write and communicate your ideas at a level somewhere beyond the 3rd grade?

This isn't difficult stuff.

That's ironic.

 

[Juror No. 8]

This is what's considered "historical context" for a Leftist nutjob:

"But, but, but... it was considered acceptable to put innocent people in concentration camps back then because, uh, Hitler was doing it too! It's a historical context thing, you wouldn't understand!"

 

[ivwshane]

This is what's considered "historical context" for a Leftist nutjob:

"But, but, but... it was considered acceptable to put innocent people in concentration camps back then because, uh, Hitler was doing it too! It's a historical context thing, you wouldn't understand!"

Yeah, you just don't get it.

 

[Genx87]

And I asked you to look up the definition of historical context. Educate yourself so that when I explain to you what the context was and why it matters you understand it.


Regarding the bolded; Let me know when you are capable of having a convsersation without using straw men.

I know exactly the context but so what? It doesn't make it any better just because people were scared of Japanese in 1942.

 

[LunarRay]

I didn't twist anything. You implied that putting innocent people in concentration camps served to keep them "safe".

So why not apply the same reasoning when it comes to common crime?

I do.... but it makes better economical sense to put fewer people in that condition than to put the greater population in them for their safety.

 

[ivwshane]

I know exactly the context but so what? It doesn't make it any better just because people were scared of Japanese in 1942.

If you understand it then why are you asking the question? Was there segregation in the 40's? Was it common at the time to round up those that you didn't like or trust? Was there a war going on? Were we attacked by the Japanese? Did the president do anything that would have been considered abnormal at that point in time in history?

Yeah looking back on it it's quite disgusting but that's not how educated scholars judge people and it's why this thread is pure garbage.

You don't judge a person in history based on today's standards. Do you look down upon your grand parents for their views on racial equality? If you do, do you compare their actions/views in the past to today's standards and call them names now or do you look at their views and actions of today and base your view of them on today's standards?

 

[nextJin]

I seriously can't believe I see people defending the logic behind the Japanese camps in the US.

 

[ivwshane]

I seriously can't believe I see people defending the logic behind the Japanese camps in the US.

No one is defending it asshat.

 

[Juror No. 8]

No one is defending it asshat.

Sure you are, shit for brains.