Why do leftists like FDR so much?

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ivwshane

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I know no one is defending it, I am talking about the logic behind it even in context.

Do you understand how someone could be against gay marriage?
Do you understand how someone could be against interracial marriage?
Do you understand how someone could be against a women's right to vote?
Do you understand how someone could be for slavery?

All were societal norms of their time that came from ignorance, stereotyping, and passed down from generation to generation. They didn't change and weren't looked down on until society became more knowledgable and sympathetic to others hardships.
 

Genx87

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If you understand it then why are you asking the question? Was there segregation in the 40's? Was it common at the time to round up those that you didn't like or trust? Was there a war going on? Were we attacked by the Japanese? Did the president do anything that would have been considered abnormal at that point in time in history?

Yeah looking back on it it's quite disgusting but that's not how educated scholars judge people and it's why this thread is pure garbage.

You don't judge a person in history based on today's standards. Do you look down upon your grand parents for their views on racial equality? If you do, do you compare their actions/views in the past to today's standards and call them names now or do you look at their views and actions of today and base your view of them on today's standards?

Even in the 40s FDR wondered about the consitutionality of imprisoning american citizens without trial and stealing their property. All you are doing is rationalizing a horrible policy by blaming it on the times.
 

bononos

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I was just reminded that:
"Lefties have an amazing ability to uphold FDR as some sort of admirable standard, absolving him of responsibility for starting the federal war on pot,.......

The left can't even be neutral on him. Why is that?

The forces of Stalin and FDR get credit for saving Jews just like Lincoln gets credit for freeing the slaves... yet both men were white nationalists.

Meanwhile, there is probably someone currently accusing Old Right Dr. Paul of being racist... yet Dr. Paul of the Old Right isn't racist.

Remember that here were lynchings against blacks in US into the 30s. Even after 911, the majority polled agreed that Arabs need to get special id cards and a significant minority wanted Arabs to be packed into camps.

FDR is a hero to the left because of the New Deal and the idea that the middle class could only exist if big govt stepped in and institute wide ranging changes to break up trusts and regulate industries to protect the common man and small businesses. Ron Paul is not the old right, Pat Buchanan is the old right in America.
 

Juror No. 8

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FDR is a hero to the left because of the New Deal and the idea that the middle class could only exist if big govt stepped in and institute wide ranging changes to break up trusts and regulate industries to protect the common man and small businesses.

In other words, the Left is stupid enough to believe that the super wealthy, Wall Street-connected Roosevelt, who was put in office by super wealthy Wall Street banks and corporations, became president to regulate those same super wealthy banks and corporations for the betterment of the little people?

Ha, ha, ha...

Might as well believe in the fucking Easter Bunny and Santa Claus, too!
 

ivwshane

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In other words, the Left is stupid enough to believe that the super wealthy, Wall Street-connected Roosevelt, who was put in office by super wealthy Wall Street banks and corporations, became president to regulate those same super wealthy banks and corporations for the betterment of the little people?

Ha, ha, ha...

Might as well believe in the fucking Easter Bunny and Santa Claus, too!

Ha, ha, ha...

Your ignorance of history strikes again!
 

bononos

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In other words, the Left is stupid enough to believe that the super wealthy, Wall Street-connected Roosevelt, who was put in office by super wealthy Wall Street banks and corporations, became president to regulate those same super wealthy banks and corporations for the betterment of the little people?

Ha, ha, ha...

Might as well believe in the fucking Easter Bunny and Santa Claus, too!

This is the type of response that just shows how the right have managed to turn the truth upside down after decades of political activism on the right to rewrite history. Old respected democrasts/conservatives are labelled as proto-communists, FDR is wall street connected banker, Rand Paul is supposedly a true old school conservative...

FDR was not a big wall street stooge. He irritated WS and made enough enemies from the business sector and wallstreet to make them plot an armed military coup.
 

blankslate

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He was the first and only President to authorize the use of Atomics in war. DUH!
 

Anarchist420

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FDR was not a big wall street stooge. He irritated WS and made enough enemies from the business sector and wallstreet to make them plot an armed military coup.
Glass Steagall was supported by the Rockefellers and that was why he signed it into law.

Also, the Republicans he ran against (except for Coolidge) were like him and were supported by Wall Street while Robert A Taft wasn't.

If there was one reason Wall Street would've been opposed to FDR is because he didn't contract as much shit out like the Rockefeller Republicans wanted to. It's not like Wall Street would've rather have seen those programs abolished than to help the govt out via contracts.

Don't forget that Eisenhower was supported by Wall Street, while Robert A Taft and Goldwater weren't.
 
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Juror No. 8

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This is the type of response that just shows how the right have managed to turn the truth upside down after decades of political activism on the right to rewrite history.

How do you know you have the "truth"? How do you know the truth you think you have isn't already upside down?

Old respected democrasts/conservatives are labelled as proto-communists, FDR is wall street connected banker, Rand Paul is supposedly a true old school conservative...

Not seeing the issue here. Both Democrats and Republicans have been used as tools by the communists and FDR was a Wall Street puppet.

FDR was not a big wall street stooge. He irritated WS and made enough enemies from the business sector and wallstreet to make them plot an armed military coup.

Is that what really happened with the Business Plot, or is that just what they told you happened? Was it to be a real military coup, or a staged, false flag coup? It was never fully investigated, and details about what took place and who was involved was carefully filtered to the American public.

I know you probably think Roosevelt is a God, but let's not forget that under his administration, innocent American citizens were both put in concentration camps and used, without fully informed consent, in a cruel, barbaric syphilis study.

So either Roosevelt knew about and approved these things, which makes him a piece of shit, or he didn't know about these things and had no ability to stop them, which means he was nothing more than a fucking worthless, puppet president taking orders from whoever put him in office. Either way, he was a piece of shit.
 

Siddhartha

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I was just reminded that:
"Lefties have an amazing ability to uphold FDR as some sort of admirable standard, absolving him of responsibility for starting the federal war on pot, expanding the corporate state more than any other president, building the modern military-industrial complex, sending Jewish refugees back to die in the Holocaust, establishing legally dubious military commissions, forcing a hundred thousand people known to be harmless into concentration camps on the basis of race, firebombing dozens of cities, arranging ethnic cleansing and murderous repatriation schemes with Stalin, and creating the first nuclear weapons."

The left can't even be neutral on him. Why is that?


The forces of Stalin and FDR get credit for saving Jews just like Lincoln gets credit for freeing the slaves... yet both men were white nationalists.


Meanwhile, there is probably someone currently accusing Old Right Dr. Paul of being racist... yet Dr. Paul of the Old Right isn't racist.

I think FDR gets such good grades is because he led the US through the major crises, Great Depression and WWII, of the 20th century and was able to maintain or follow most of the country's core values. At the time when other countries, for example Germany and Russia, chose Fascist or Stalinist governments the US essentially remained the US.

Also he facilitated the country's transition into the modern era. I can see where anyone who praises Ron Paul would trouble with FDR.

By today's or yesterday's values, FDR was not perfect. If the "Allies" had not won the war he would probably have been prosecuted for war crimes. But if someone else had been in the White House at the time the world would probably be a very diiferent place and not for the better.
 

hal2kilo

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“The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.... Among us today a concentration of private power without equal in history is growing”

FDR

“More striking still, it appeared that, if the process of concentration goes on at the same rate, at the end of another century we shall have all American industry controlled by a dozen corporations and run by perhaps a hundred men. Put plainly, we are steering a steady course toward economic oligarchy, if we are not there already.”

FDR
 
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