Why do engineers get to work so late?

[AMCRambler]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
They're up late at bars talking to Trinity and selling illegal code

Winnar! I'd so come in later if I could. I'm just not a morning person. My company wants us here at 8 or earlier though, no flex time come in late go home late(of course you can stay as late as you want/need, bastards). I've been chewed out twice for being consistently 10-15 minutes late in the mornings. Last couple of weeks I've been doing my best though and been getting in around 5 minutes to 8. Hopefully this gets them off my back. 10-15minutes though? Really not a big deal IMO.

 

[blakeatwork]

Originally posted by: Argo
I work at a software company and we have a pretty loose policy on what time you have to get in. However, most people get in around 8:30. Well - not so for our programmers - most of them get in somewhere between 9 and 10. Now they all do a great job and stay late - so in the end they work as many hours as other people, if not more. But I'm thinking what is it with engineers and not being able to wake up early? Do you guys have the same thing happen at your companies?

P.S. I get in at 8, and I love it. Waking up at 6:30 was tough for a few weeks but then I got used to it - you get so much more accomplished in the mornings. So I fail to see what's the big deal with getting up early.


Edit: Changed subject to make everybody happy.

What's with programmers not making their code secure???

Really, if you're worried about thier work habits, why are you on AT???

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: HokieESM

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: Triumph
a: programmers are not engineers. show me a "programming engineering" degree in this country.
b: since when does working 10-6 instead of 8-4 make you lazy?

dumbest thread ever.

Uhhh..... software engineer?

Software engineer can be summed up in one word: "programmer".

Actually, i prefer two words: "code monkey".

The point is: you aren't actually an "engineer", in that you're not legally one (and can't be with a CS degree). I suppose calling a housewife a "domestic engineer" makes her an engineer too?

Back on topic.... some technical people (especially those who work long hours) like to have some "uninterrupted time". If they're not dealing with clients, it makes a lot of sense to do work "after hours"... one can get a lot of work done without your boss, all the traffic, etc. Another alternative to this is to get to work at 6am... I did this quite often when i worked in industry.

Actually, some Software Engineers are Computer Engineers.....

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: HokieESM

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: Triumph
a: programmers are not engineers. show me a "programming engineering" degree in this country.
b: since when does working 10-6 instead of 8-4 make you lazy?

dumbest thread ever.

Uhhh..... software engineer?

Software engineer can be summed up in one word: "programmer".

Actually, i prefer two words: "code monkey".

The point is: you aren't actually an "engineer", in that you're not legally one (and can't be with a CS degree). I suppose calling a housewife a "domestic engineer" makes her an engineer too?

Back on topic.... some technical people (especially those who work long hours) like to have some "uninterrupted time". If they're not dealing with clients, it makes a lot of sense to do work "after hours"... one can get a lot of work done without your boss, all the traffic, etc. Another alternative to this is to get to work at 6am... I did this quite often when i worked in industry.

using ur argument an industrial engineer is also not an engineer...

 

[WinkOsmosis]

The real question is why you go so early. You have to be stupid or something to go to work at 8 when you can be there at 10... I think the answer is that engineers are smarter than you. They don't contort the human circadian cycle just so they can get some worm.

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
The real question is why you go so early. You have to be stupid or something to go to work at 8 when you can be there at 10... I think the answer is that engineers are smarter than you. They don't contort the human circadian cycle just so they can get some worm.

I go early because that way I can get out early, go hit the gym and then have the rest of the evening to myself. Plus waking up early makes you feel better for some reason.

 

[Maverick]

at my company the programmers come in early and leave late...corporate slave labor at its best

 

[Ameesh]

i come and go as i please, no one says anything cause i get my job done.

 

[Papagayo]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
i come and go as i please, no one says anything cause i get my job done.

Same here..

I start work around 9am.. Take 2 hour lunch and leave around 4:30.. Give or take 30 minutes..

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: ergeorge
Our company does have a "core hours" policy ... everybody is supposed to be at work between the hours of 10:00 and 15:00 local time.

One advantage of coming in late and leaving late (or vice-versa) is that you get some hours in without distraction ... especially works well working late on the W. coast ... no calls from the E. coast

You also miss traffic. If I got up 45 minutes earlier I'd get to work only 10 minutes faster...I have my time i leave for work timed when the HOV lanes are no longer for 2 people.

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: Papagayo

Originally posted by: Ameesh
i come and go as i please, no one says anything cause i get my job done.

Same here..

I start work around 9am.. Take 2 hour lunch and leave around 4:30.. Give or take 30 minutes..

around the same for me but i start at 11am but only take 1.5 hours lunch

 

[dxkj]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Mill
Not following your schedule makes them lazy?

Do you say stuff just because you have a need to open your mouth.

Man, I dont understand what your saying argo. Anytime you open your mouth anymore all i can hear is TROLL, TROLL, I'm A TROLL

 

[Triumph]

Unless you have a degree that says "Bachelor of Science, _____ Engineering" on it somewhere, you're not an engineer. Programmers are not engineers. Computer Scientists are not engineers. Janitors are not engineers. (the guys that drive trains, however, are engineers ) That's all I'm saying... this thread title says, "Why do engineers get to work so late?" and then Argo goes on to talk about programmers.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

Originally posted by: ergeorge
Our company does have a "core hours" policy ... everybody is supposed to be at work between the hours of 10:00 and 15:00 local time.

One advantage of coming in late and leaving late (or vice-versa) is that you get some hours in without distraction ... especially works well working late on the W. coast ... no calls from the E. coast

You also miss traffic. If I got up 45 minutes earlier I'd get to work only 10 minutes faster...I have my time i leave for work timed when the HOV lanes are no longer for 2 people.

My arrival-departure times are primarily geared around traffic. Right now I arrive at 6 AM and leave at 2:30. It takes me 30 minutes to drive to work leaving at 5:30. If I left at 7:00 it would take over an hour.

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: Triumph
Unless you have a degree that says "Bachelor of Science, _____ Engineering" on it somewhere, you're not an engineer. Programmers are not engineers. Computer Scientists are not engineers. Janitors are not engineers. (the guys that drive trains, however, are engineers ) That's all I'm saying... this thread title says, "Why do engineers get to work so late?" and then Argo goes on to talk about programmers.

My business card and company address book say "Software Engineer". End of discussion.

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: dxkj

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Mill
Not following your schedule makes them lazy?

Do you say stuff just because you have a need to open your mouth.

Man, I dont understand what your saying argo. Anytime you open your mouth anymore all i can hear is TROLL, TROLL, I'm A TROLL

This should help

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Triumph
Unless you have a degree that says "Bachelor of Science, _____ Engineering" on it somewhere, you're not an engineer. Programmers are not engineers. Computer Scientists are not engineers. Janitors are not engineers. (the guys that drive trains, however, are engineers ) That's all I'm saying... this thread title says, "Why do engineers get to work so late?" and then Argo goes on to talk about programmers.

My business card and company address book say "Software Engineer". End of discussion.

lol...that's because you put them on there! that doesn't mean you ARE one. if i was a banker, i could put "Banking Engineer" on my business card, that wouldn't make me an engineer.

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: dxkj

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Mill
Not following your schedule makes them lazy?

Do you say stuff just because you have a need to open your mouth.

Man, I dont understand what your saying argo. Anytime you open your mouth anymore all i can hear is TROLL, TROLL, I'm A TROLL

Careful guys... Don't piss him off... he might ride your ass and flash his hi-beams at you

 

[Argo]

No, Triumph - my company put them there for me. Everybody else in my company has the same title. Furthermore, from my 4+ years experience in IT industry most companies call their developers "Software Engineer", as opposed to programmer or Software Developer. If you still don't believe me - go to www.salary.com and look up position titles in there.

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: Triumph
Unless you have a degree that says "Bachelor of Science, _____ Engineering" on it somewhere, you're not an engineer. Programmers are not engineers. Computer Scientists are not engineers. Janitors are not engineers. (the guys that drive trains, however, are engineers ) That's all I'm saying... this thread title says, "Why do engineers get to work so late?" and then Argo goes on to talk about programmers.

Careful ... some here will claim your not really an engineer unless you have a PE license. We've been around this tree before

 

[Kyteland]

Originally posted by: HokieESM
Actually, i prefer two words: "code monkey".

The point is: you aren't actually an "engineer", in that you're not legally one (and can't be with a CS degree). I suppose calling a housewife a "domestic engineer" makes her an engineer too?

I graduated from the Enginerring department of UIUC with a degree in Computer Science. I took a lot of engineering classes that a "code monkey" would probably never take. I may never become a PE, but I consider myself an engineer.

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: ergeorge

Originally posted by: Triumph
Unless you have a degree that says "Bachelor of Science, _____ Engineering" on it somewhere, you're not an engineer. Programmers are not engineers. Computer Scientists are not engineers. Janitors are not engineers. (the guys that drive trains, however, are engineers ) That's all I'm saying... this thread title says, "Why do engineers get to work so late?" and then Argo goes on to talk about programmers.

Careful ... some here will claim your not really an engineer unless you have a PE license. We've been around this tree before

Actually back in college this was a sore issue between Computer Science and * Engineering majors. It actually got out of hand a couple of times.

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: ergeorge

Originally posted by: Triumph
Unless you have a degree that says "Bachelor of Science, _____ Engineering" on it somewhere, you're not an engineer. Programmers are not engineers. Computer Scientists are not engineers. Janitors are not engineers. (the guys that drive trains, however, are engineers ) That's all I'm saying... this thread title says, "Why do engineers get to work so late?" and then Argo goes on to talk about programmers.

Careful ... some here will claim your not really an engineer unless you have a PE license. We've been around this tree before

Actually back in college this was a sore issue between Computer Science and * Engineering majors. It actually got out of hand a couple of times.

shrug ... I know programmers that I would consider to be "engineers", and others that definitely fit the "Code Monkey" description. At the same time ... I know ALOT of people who have the "Bachelor of Science, _____ Engineering" that I would definitely not consider to be engineers ... they've gone over to the dark side and become managers, or only do powerpoint engineering.

An interview experience I had once maybe illustrates the difference between "code monkey" and "engineer" in the context of software engineering. I'm an Aerospace Engineer by education & practice, but write alot of code also. In fact my career seems to be shifting more and more in that direction. Anyway, one of the (many) times I got fed up with working in the defense industry, I went out and got an interview for a software engineer position with MCI. They wanted people with experience with neural nets, genetic algorithms, etc. which I have, plus the coding skills.

So I went to the interview and discovered they primarily wanted a code monkey ... somebody else would interpret the problem, design the algorithm, etc. ... the engineering bit in my opinion, then they'd throw it over the fence for the code monkeys to implement & test. But they all called themselves software engineers, and most had C.S. degrees.

Anyway, considering where MCI/Wordcom went, I thank god I didn't pursue that job any further

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Triumph
Unless you have a degree that says "Bachelor of Science, _____ Engineering" on it somewhere, you're not an engineer. Programmers are not engineers. Computer Scientists are not engineers. Janitors are not engineers. (the guys that drive trains, however, are engineers ) That's all I'm saying... this thread title says, "Why do engineers get to work so late?" and then Argo goes on to talk about programmers.

My business card and company address book say "Software Engineer". End of discussion.

lol...that's because you put them on there! that doesn't mean you ARE one. if i was a banker, i could put "Banking Engineer" on my business card, that wouldn't make me an engineer.

There are BS degrees in Software Engineering, in case you didn't know. Also a lot of graduate work is done in Software Engineering. Therefore I'd have to say your argument is not completely correct.

 

[SaturnX]

As far as I'm concerned, unless you've got your PE license, then you're not an Engineer, and can't legally call yourself one. Also, I'm not sure about the US, but in Canada, no accredited Engineering program falls under Bachelor of Science, it's either a Bachelor of Applied Science in __________ or with some schools, a Bachelor of Engineering in ________

I have a couple friends up here at Waterloo taking "Software Engineering" under the Applied Science Faculty, however straight up for school they can't be accredited with a PE license, rather they have do a set number of tests in order to be granted PE status. (Several more than the normal ethics and such) So even programs that are titled "Software Engineering" aren't seen as being true Engineering programs by the governmental bodies. At least in Ontario.

Meh, that's my 2 cents..

--Mark