Why do conservatives...

[nehalem256]

Way to completely avoid the point so you don't have to concede that I'm right.

Actually I think it was you who missed my point.

People are often selfish hypocrites, whether they are liberals or conservatives. This is why society has to take a hard line stand on immorality.

 

[Texashiker]

I also worry that in the void left by the west walking away from Christianity, a worse, less mature religion might step in to take its place.

Such as islam?

<rest of post not directed at you Geosurface>

People are tied of liberals pushing their agenda, such as nudity and foul language on tv.

Up until the late 1970 and into the 1980s families could sit in their living rooms, watch tv, and parents did not have to worry about foul language, violence or nudity. Those times are long gone.

People want a sense of morality and decency. We want to be able to go to a movie or watch tv and not have to worry about what our kids are seeing.

Since the 1980s the liberal agenda has included pushing certain undesirable traits into main stream media for our kids to see. Take teenage pregnancy for example.

Even in the late 1980s teenage pregnancy was something to be embarrassed about. Today, teenage pregnancies are idolized by having their own reality show.

If Christianity is pushed aside, what is going to fill the void for people who want a defined set of standards and morality? I suspect it will be islam.

 

[nehalem256]

People are tied of liberals pushing their agenda, such as nudity and foul language on tv.

Up until the late 1970 and into the 1980s families could sit in their living rooms, watch tv, and parents did not have to worry about foul language, violence or nudity. Those times are long gone.

People want a sense of morality and decency. We want to be able to go to a movie or watch tv and not have to worry about what our kids are seeing.

Since the 1980s the liberal agenda has included pushing certain undesirable traits into main stream media for our kids to see. Take teenage pregnancy for example.

Even in the late 1980s teenage pregnancy was something to be embarrassed about. Today, teenage pregnancies are idolized by having their own reality show.

If Christianity is pushed aside, what is going to fill the void for people who want a defined set of standards and morality? I suspect it will be islam.

And then complaining that conservatives are living their lives by the values they pushed in the media :thumbsup:

 

[Matt1970]

A family member of mine could have been saved through medical tech available today that was developed through stem cell research. They could be fucking ALIVE today, but no, the religious have to stifle stem cell research because the ignorant religious right believes that stem cells only come from aborted babies and abortion is bad.

What about the abortion doctors who are MURDERED because some religious fuckhole thinks he has an obligation set forth by god to stop the murder of innocent babies? That's a religious person forcing another person to stop LIVING because of their religious views.

What about the largely religious group who are at the forefront of the anti-gay movement, forcing homosexuals out of the benefits of being married because the religious are hateful fucking bigots and cannot STAND the idea of someone else doing something that doesn't affect the religious to begin with?

Fuck you, troll.

And what technology is that?

 

[ThinClient]

And what technology is that?

Your statement disgusts me enough to not cater to your ignorance. Google it. Also, your religion is bullshit.

 

[Texashiker]

Also, your religion is bullshit.

I am still waiting on someone to post an atheist charity hospital that caters to the poor and under served.

 

[ThinClient]

I am still waiting on someone to post an atheist charity hospital that caters to the poor and under served.

Every hospital that doesn't have a biblical name is an atheist hospital.

That's the majority of them.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Yes, religious freedom was the motivation for most of the original colonists.

Well, sort of
They fled Europe because of Religious prosecution
Then they came to America and quickly set up their own Theocracies
It wasn't until Lord Balitmore started the ball rolling that freedom of religion started
Years and years of fighting between Christian groups ( Protestant revolution etc) finally got ol BJ to write up the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom
Then of course the Constitution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_the_United_States

 

[ThinClient]

Well, sort of
They fled Europe because of Religious prosecution
Then they came to America and quickly set up their own Theocracies
It wasn't until Lord Balitmore started the ball rolling that freedom of religion started
Years and years of fighting between Christian groups ( Protestant revolution etc) finally got ol BJ to write up the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom
Then of course the Constitution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_the_United_States

Yay facts!

 

[Vic]

You let me know when a religion forces you to do something against your will and this Christian will be the first one to back you up. Until then you are trolling.

Are you saying that there are no religion based laws in the US?

 

[Scotteq]

What nehalem does in the privacy of his house with his toaster does not affect you in one bit. But yet we would deny him the right to marry his toaster.

He has a Ground Fault Interrupter implanted in his junk? Wouldn't want OSHA to have any excuse to serve a No Knock Warrant in the boudoir...

 

[Vic]

Black people have far higher rates of out of wedlock pregnancy. Pretty sure they aren't voting Republican.

You also fail to realize that people are selfish. Take for instance John Kerry registering his boat in another state to avoid taxes. What does that say about liberals as a whole?

I don't know. What does Diane Hathaway or Charles Keating say about conservatives as a whole?

And black people vote Democratic because the KKK, Stormfront, and you vote Republican. And not because they want more kids out of wedlock. Do you ever read your own posts?

 

[Texashiker]

Every hospital that doesn't have a biblical name is an atheist hospital.

That's the majority of them.

Show me an atheist based charity hospital, advertises its atheist based, and gets most of its funding from atheist groups.

You say religion is bullcrap.

But the fact is, Catholic charity hospitals serve a lot of people who can not afford medical care. They also serve rural areas where for-profit hospitals can not make enough money to stay profitable.

 

[nehalem256]

Are you saying that there are no religion based laws in the US?

He is saying there is no laws, based on religion, that force you to do something.

Any "religious based laws" at most keep you from doing something you want to do.

 

[blackangst1]

Such as islam?

<rest of post not directed at you Geosurface>

People are tied of liberals pushing their agenda, such as nudity and foul language on tv.

Up until the late 1970 and into the 1980s families could sit in their living rooms, watch tv, and parents did not have to worry about foul language, violence or nudity. Those times are long gone.

People want a sense of morality and decency. We want to be able to go to a movie or watch tv and not have to worry about what our kids are seeing.

Since the 1980s the liberal agenda has included pushing certain undesirable traits into main stream media for our kids to see. Take teenage pregnancy for example.

Even in the late 1980s teenage pregnancy was something to be embarrassed about. Today, teenage pregnancies are idolized by having their own reality show.

If Christianity is pushed aside, what is going to fill the void for people who want a defined set of standards and morality? I suspect it will be islam.

Yes. You could sit your family down and watch wholesome shows like The Jeffersons, Sanford & Son and All in the Family :awe:

 

[Orignal Earl]

Are you saying that there are no religion based laws in the US?

Most of the Christian based laws I can think of don't force me to do anything though. So Matt kind of is right
Parents handle that part until you are converted
All the laws that we deal with now, take away freedoms
Alcohol, Sunday store openings, strippers, abortion, gay marriage, etc

 

[Vic]

He is saying there is no laws, based on religion, that force you to do something.

Any "religious based laws" at most keep you from doing something you want to do.

You worked hard to spin that, didn't you?

All laws force a person to do something, if only because you must defend yourself if you are accused. Your logic is childish.

 

[Texashiker]

Yes. You could sit your family down and watch wholesome shows like The Jeffersons, Sanford & Son and All in the Family :awe:

I would rather watch those than jersey shore.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Most of the Christian based laws I can think of don't force me to do anything though. So Matt kind of is right
Parents handle that part until you are converted
All the laws that we deal with now, take away freedoms
Alcohol, Sunday store openings, strippers, abortion, gay marriage, etc

All laws take away someone's freedom to do something. What usually matters is the perspective of the person bringing up an issue. The OP has some points, but some are farcical, especially the first. The US has had religious influences in legislation, and indeed our culture is strongly influenced by it. That however is a far cry from a theocracy and I don't know anyone who is Christian at least who wants one. Just think about it- a Lutheran, Catholic, Episcopalian, or Charismatic theocracy?

Things like stem cell research are correctly pointed out as being a point of ignorance, however that commodity seems to be in surplus.

Pretty much SOP.

 

[Ruptga]

I knew this was going to be a good thread when I saw thinclient responding to nehalem.

I also suspected that most would read my OP as "why do Christians want" instead of as "why do Conservatives want." You guys are so predictable, but it's still fun.

 

[Moonbeam]

You are a very wise man and I say that with all sincerity.

You and the one you praise are cowards. You want to surround yourself with armies of deluded fanatics so that children raised as marching morons with go to holy war you don't even believe in yourself to keep you safe. You're disgusting.

 

[Matt1970]

Your statement disgusts me enough to not cater to your ignorance. Google it. Also, your religion is bullshit.

I had a feeling you were full of shit. YOU are bullshit.

 

[WHAMPOM]

I don't think you know what theocracy means. Religious organizations aren't demanding they be put in charge of the government in the way the Pope controls Vatican City or the mullahs rule Iran.



Yes, religious freedom was the motivation for most of the original colonists.



This is mostly protesting incrementalism. Sort of how like the democrats in congress whine that republicans want women, children, elderly and the poor to die because we only want to increase the budget by 10% every year instead of 11%. It's a matter of principle.



No, I don't believe anyone advocates that. Strawman bullshit.

Don't know much about the millions the Later day saints have spent on anti-gay legislation?

 

[Orignal Earl]

All laws take away someone's freedom to do something. What usually matters is the perspective of the person bringing up an issue. The OP has some points, but some are farcical, especially the first. The US has had religious influences in legislation, and indeed our culture is strongly influenced by it. That however is a far cry from a theocracy and I don't know anyone who is Christian at least who wants one. Just think about it- a Lutheran, Catholic, Episcopalian, or Charismatic theocracy?

Things like stem cell research are correctly pointed out as being a point of ignorance, however that commodity seems to be in surplus.

Pretty much SOP.

Most everyone I know is a Christian too, and none of them want a theocracy either
But that doesn't mean other Christians wouldn't
This grouping of Christians is kind of crazy to me, A Catholic, JW, or Mormon all have their different ideas how things should go
There's probably hundreds of separate groups who do live their lives in America under their own theocracy FDLS'ers for one
You got the Christian right (Mostly Protestant) screaming about Islam, and how horrible it is, just like they did about the Jews until people started waking up

Christian right is a term used in the United States to describe right-wing Christian political factions that are characterized by their strong support of socially conservative policies. Christian conservatives principally seek to apply their understanding of the teachings of Christianity to politics and public policy by proclaiming the value of those teachings and/or by seeking to use those teachings to influence law and public policy.[1]
In the U.S., the Christian right is an informal coalition formed around a core of evangelical Protestants that draws "support from politically conservative Catholics, Jews, Mormons, and occasionally secularists" who share their goals.[2][not in citation given][3][unreliable source?] The movement has its roots in American politics going back as far the 1940s and has been especially influential since the 1970s.[4][5] Their influence draws, in part, from grassroots activism as well as their focus on social issues and ability to motivate the electorate around those issues.[6]
The Christian right is notable today for advancing socially conservative positions on issues including school prayer, stem cell research,[7] homosexuality,[8] contraception, abortion,[9] and pornography.[10]
Although the Christian right is usually associated with the U.S., similar movements have been a key factor in the politics of Canada, the Netherlands, Northern Ireland and Australia, among others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right

Now you get guys like Geo who spent his life up until recently, as a communist starting to warm up to these guys because he is scared of Muslims
The more people they get to think that way, sooner or later, someone going to decide this freedom is not worth it anymore.
Then you go back to the Christians having only the other Christians to point out as evil and the whole ball starts again

edit- I know you guys got the evangelists on your tv's everyday, Go watch for awhile ( I know,I know) the shit they spew to scare money out of the elderly and ignorant is nuts

 

[QuantumPion]

Don't know much about the millions the Later day saints have spent on anti-gay legislation?

So people giving money to support their representatives to vote on policies they agree with = theocracy?

I don't think you know what theocracy means. Religious organizations aren't demanding they be in charge of the government in the way the Pope controls Vatican City or the mullahs rule Iran.