Why did China get the Olympics, again?
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It pisses me off that we (toronto) lost to them. They should have "shaped-up" first, before getting the olympics.
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Why? Because they are the world's best executioners. All other countries pale in comparison to China in its ability to murder its own citizens!! horay! they have 1/6 of the world's population but do more than the other 5 billion in the world combined.
Personally I likethe picture of that stadium. I always love to have an hour or two in my day in which I can watch people getting bullets in the back of their heads. One day I hope to have a family member executed in this manner so that I can receive a bill for the bullet.
Fvcking sh*thole of a country.
Personally I likethe picture of that stadium. I always love to have an hour or two in my day in which I can watch people getting bullets in the back of their heads. One day I hope to have a family member executed in this manner so that I can receive a bill for the bullet.
Fvcking sh*thole of a country.
So they're executing criminals. I couldn't care less....it might not hurt to kill the rapists here too.
EDIT: I am aware there are many other issues involved in the judicial system of China that are extremely flawed. I was just expressing the first thing that came to mind. However, giving China the Olympics is at least an effort to bring change. Its certain nothing would have happened had it had not been chosen. If this thread had been called "Beijing to execute 10 in pre-congress crackdown" it would likely have gotten less attention. Too late anyway.
EDIT: I am aware there are many other issues involved in the judicial system of China that are extremely flawed. I was just expressing the first thing that came to mind. However, giving China the Olympics is at least an effort to bring change. Its certain nothing would have happened had it had not been chosen. If this thread had been called "Beijing to execute 10 in pre-congress crackdown" it would likely have gotten less attention. Too late anyway.
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Yeah right. The US has execution as well but at least it doesn't hand out execution sentences like it's going outta style. There are lengthy criminal processes and only for the most severe crimes. Do you think people in China get a fair shot at the judicial process? What about the accuracy of their convictions? Few countries are as mass-minded as China, and that is why in China lives have less meaning than in most other places in the world. They love to kill their own citizens (check out the crowd in that picture - I think I see a guy selling hot dogs), and parents love to kill their own kids if it's not a boy. Lovely society they have over there!
Just the other day I was thinking how sad it was that China got the Olympics. The whole thing is quite pathetic really. Hopefully, the games will be splendid but China won't make money off of it.
[sarcasm]
That's just part of their culture, you jerk! Who are you to judge another culture? Stupid Westerner:|
[/sarcasm]
Many of these people killed could be innocent people asking for change in the government but were labeled as "criminals" by the communists.
[nosarcasm]Indeed.[/nosarcasm]
If they really wanted to do something about it, they would all revolt. Do it enough times and maybe somebody else will take over.
if the problem is not the executions, but the justice system, then why is there a link to an article about the executions? that's a bit confusing... when i read it, i too thought that the gripe here was with the executions... it didn't even occur to me it was about the speed at which they're carried out (there's only a brief blurb about that in the article).
parents love to kill their own kids? i don't thnk that's true anywhere in the world. if you don't believe me, take a trip to china... then tell me about all the joyous parents killing their kids.
Random Variable
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Ah I see that you are pulling the "You judge other cultures relatively and therefore believe that anything goes!"Originally posted by: lirion
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That's just part of their culture, you jerk! Who are you to judge another culture? Stupid Westerner:|
[/sarcasm]
Good thing I'm taking that anthropology class and know that relativism is not the same as not giving a damn. Anthropologists are restricted from "anything goes" by the Human Rights Perspective. Basically, human rights come before relativism. One set of those human rights are, in order of importance:
1) Security in your person- right to life, etc
2) Right to subsistence, clothing, shelter
3) Expression of sexuality
4) Freedom of expression, including religious freedom (interchangeable with 3)
For example, the death penalty in any country violates my stance opposing murder of any kind, so I can't just say "It's okay if those barbaric Chinese have draconian law because it's their culture!"
I also can't say that rape is okay in another culture because it is an expression of the rapists' sexual freedom, because the right to security in your person(1) takes precedence over (3).
Originally posted by: Jellomancer
Ah I see that you are pulling the "You judge other cultures and therefore believe that anything goes!"Originally posted by: lirion
[sarcasm]
That's just part of their culture, you jerk! Who are you to judge another culture? Stupid Westerner:|
[/sarcasm]
Good thing I'm taking that anthropology class and know that relativism is not the same as not giving a damn. Anthropologists are restricted from "anything goes" by the Human Rights Perspective. Basically, human rights come before relativism. One set of those human rights are, in order of importance:
1) Security in your person- right to life, etc
2) Right to subsistence, clothing, shelter
3) Expression of sexuality
4) Freedom of expression, including religious freedom (interchangeable with 3)
For example, the death penalty in any country violates my stance opposing murder of any kind, so I can't just say "It's okay if those barbaric Chinese have draconian law because it's their culture!"
I also can't say that rape is okay in another culture because it is an expression of the rapists' sexual freedom, because the right to security in your person(1) takes precedence over (3).
Ah, I see that even labeling something as sarcasm doesn't convey that it is, in fact, a piece of sarcasm
Gooberlx2
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I have no problems having them host the Olympics, so long as it doesn't get so corrupt. But then, the Olympics are corrupt when its in the USA too.
As far as the executions are concerced, sure I rather they had a reasonable trial process. But that's the difference between our nations. That's a political issue. I see it as no reason to withhol their hosting of the Olypmics. In fact, if they allow a whole slew of tourists from capitalist nations maybe it'll have some influence on the people.
As far as the executions are concerced, sure I rather they had a reasonable trial process. But that's the difference between our nations. That's a political issue. I see it as no reason to withhol their hosting of the Olypmics. In fact, if they allow a whole slew of tourists from capitalist nations maybe it'll have some influence on the people.
good, im glaD to see this. i hope they do it even more often. people who rape and rob deserve to die. (just my opinion)
Edit: Err wait.. I misunderstoof something.Originally posted by: lirion
Originally posted by: Jellomancer
Ah I see that you are pulling the "You judge other cultures and therefore believe that anything goes!"Originally posted by: lirion
[sarcasm]
That's just part of their culture, you jerk! Who are you to judge another culture? Stupid Westerner:|
[/sarcasm]
Good thing I'm taking that anthropology class and know that relativism is not the same as not giving a damn. Anthropologists are restricted from "anything goes" by the Human Rights Perspective. Basically, human rights come before relativism. One set of those human rights are, in order of importance:
1) Security in your person- right to life, etc
2) Right to subsistence, clothing, shelter
3) Expression of sexuality
4) Freedom of expression, including religious freedom (interchangeable with 3)
For example, the death penalty in any country violates my stance opposing murder of any kind, so I can't just say "It's okay if those barbaric Chinese have draconian law because it's their culture!"
I also can't say that rape is okay in another culture because it is an expression of the rapists' sexual freedom, because the right to security in your person(1) takes precedence over (3).
Ah, I see that even labeling something as sarcasm doesn't convey that it is, in fact, a piece of sarcasm
Anyway, you were ridiculing people who DO judge other cultures relatively by implying that they believe that anything goes. The fact that it is sarcasm shows that.
i agree, what does their poor human rights record have to do with the olympics? the olympics should be about atheleticism, not politics.
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Perhaps I exagerated
They don't "love" to kill their daughters but thousands of them apparently don't dislike the activity to the extent that they still don't do it. And that's not even talking about the state-sponsored abortion (though technically it may benot lawful government officials are known to sterilize women against their wishes). Plenty of parents will kill their first kid if it's a daughter since the country has a one-child policy.
Yeah me too. I also hate car theives and I think we should execute them. In fact I think we should execute anybody for downloading MP3s...
-- but really the issue isn't just the fact that China loves to kill its own people, but the fact that there is no way in hell their judicial process is fair. It's not perfect in the western world either but as mentioned below you can't really appeal based on new evidence if you're going to be put to death 3 days after your rushed trial, can you? I'd guess that government officials don't care about one life in a sea of a billion but then India has almost as many people and although it's not the pinacle of justice and human rights it doesn't execute a few thousand of its citizens every year to the joy of spectators in a crowd.
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