Why communism will never work!

[Shazam]

<< Market-Driven Democratic Socialism >>

Very close to many Pol-sci pundits, who term the U.S. as &quot;Market-Driven Republic&quot;.


<< Natural Monopolies (like Airlines, Cable Cos, Utilities) must be regulated >>

Only Utilities are &quot;natural monopolies&quot;. In fact, they're not even monopolies. They're termed..... Utilities. Utilities are services essential to the base functioning of a society. That's why they're usually regulated.

 

[LIBERTYorDEATH]

&quot;I swear by my life -- and by my love of it,
that I will never live for the sake of another man,
nor ask another man to live for mine.&quot;

John Galt


There is no incentive to achieve , to work, to do anything under communism. Why the hell would I bust my ass 80 hours a week to grow my own business if I will have my economic payoff pegged at the loserville status of my knuckle dragging 35 hour work week unionized laborer &quot;brothers&quot;. To quote Monty Burns, &quot;Bah..to hell with this!&quot;
Communism takes all the freedom and individuality out of life, and all that is left is crap.
Thank god communism is against human nature. Unfortunatly, too many weak minded fools flock to socialism. Socialism is communism with a tinge of fascism , and in the end is just as nasty. Long live Individual LIBERTY. Long live Capitalism!

 

[OutlawWolf]

no freedom. Been there seen that.

 

[shifrbv]

Boberfett - << In the Soviet Union, poverty was nearly unknown >> ... are you for real..

While things may not have been wonderful for every Russian citizen before the fall of communism, poverty was indeed nothing like what it is today after the introduction of capitalism:

&quot;Now however, having embraced capitalism under the tutelage of the IMF and legions of Western advisors, Russia has become an economic and social basket case. Over a seven year period GDP has fallen at least by half and possibly by as much as 83 percent. Capital investment has fallen by 90 percent, meat and dairy livestock herds by 75 percent. Except for energy, the country is no longer able to produce much of anything. Most consumer goods, especially in the large cities, are now imported. Tens of millions of people are not receiving earned salaries. Male life expectancy has fallen to 57 years. An estimated 15 million people are actually starving and malnutrition has become the norm among school children. Money is so scarce that an estimated half of all transactions are by barter.&quot;

Now Russia operates under the true auspices of a capitalist regime and demonstrates capitalism's values and institutions at their most advanced state of development. It is a country with virtually no rules and no government in which the strongest and best organized are free to steal whatever they can get their hands on.

 

[Whisper]

Liberty...said like a true capitalist

As for Canada's system: I too believe that universal healthcare is a definite RIGHT, not a priveledge. However, I'm not sure I'd use Canada's current healthcare setup as an example. I haven't done research on it myself, and so I'm relying strictly on anecdotal evidence (a no no, I know, heh)...but based on what I've heard from my father and friends who live/lived up there, the system is slow and at times cruel. I would NEVER trust a government to tell me what operations are and are not necessary. Sorry, but that's the way I am. Our healthcare system is FAR from perfect, but so is everyone else's, heh.

We're just suffering through varying degrees of ineffectiveness is all

 

[wyvrn]

Ok Vi_edit, I see your point and agree with you. But I will remain a capitalist at heart, forever. I do not think communism or socialism can work. The mix of captialism and socialism does seem to work though.

It is interesting to point out to people that the US is more socialist than capitalist, and see the look on their face when it dawns on them that it is indeed true.

I do not agree with this statement, Kosugi. I think we are primarily capitalist rwith a twinge of socialist. For instance, while we have public schools, those with more money can go to nicer ones. While we have Medicare, those who have jobs get better benefits. And those who want to own their own business and be their own boss, can and do so. The individual still determines quality of their lives, beyond a basic minimum.

eakers,

Wealthy people contribute a lot to charities. People who are poorer may spend more actual time doing volunteer activities though, I am not sure. I do both when I can. For instance I did the recyclying for my highschool, volunteered at Children's Hospital, served at Scottish Rite hospital, etc... I was a lower middle class child, so I contributed my time. It would be nice, though, to be wealthy, and be able to do both. I would like to sponsor immigrants to the US, and do things to bring the level of inner-city education on par with those schools in the suburbs, to name a few.

 

[BoberFett]

shifrbv

I guess that's to be expected, wouldn't you agree? A sudden shift from communism to capitalism would be quite a change and take some time to adjust to. When the colonies which are now the US first started, they didn't become a world superpower overnight. To expect a sudden rise from nothing into an intricate capitalist economy is simply naive. I wouldn't wish to live in Russia right now anymore than I'd wish to be a subsistence farmer in the US of two centuries ago. It takes time to develop a solid capitalist economy.

As far as how things were before the fall of the USSR, the vast majority wasn't well off, they were just all equally poor. In the US we have poverty, no doubt about it. At least there's the chance for advancement. We have a socialist education system, people can take advantage of it if they choose to.

 

[PCResources]

<< In the Soviet Union, poverty was nearly unknown. Compare that to the current situation in Rusland after the fall of the Soviet Union. >>



Not true, in the Soviet Union poverty was very widespread... The only ones who could afford a decent life were military officers...



<< The Government was in control. >>



Wrong, the military was in control, systematic rapes, murders and beatings were quite common, as no one controlled the military...

The current situation in Russia is bad, but you cannot change a BIG nations economy system and expect it to work right away. Many of the natural resources which earlier belonged to Soviet are now the properties of other countries.

I agree with Akaz1976, it is a good system...

Patrick Palm

PC Resources

 

[MadRat]

True communism can only be found in Death or Paradise*.

There is no way to develop true communism in the human world. Any attempt is no more than a coordinated pyramid scheme.

* In death you have no needs. In Paradise (whichever it may be) you also have no needs. Either way you have fertile ground for Communism. In the physical world you have real needs, therefore you cannot be a part of real communism.

 

[datalink7]

&quot;Democracy is the worst form of government possible, except for all the other ones out there.&quot;
--Winston Churchill

I think that people who rag on communism and socialism don't know what they are talking about. The ideals of both are noble. Human nature just won't allow their enactment *note: Russian and Chinese Communism isn't/wasn't really real communism. More like military dictatorships under the guise of communism.