Why cant we solve the real estate agent 6% ripoff?

[MrSquished]

You're confusing the intent of the word rip-off. Painters, plumbers, etc. provide a service and subsequently expect to be paid. That's not unreasonable nor is it really unreasonable for a real estate agent to expect the same in theory. The word rip-off comes into play when you take a deeper dive and consider the effort put in versus the value that was received by the client. I agree that some clients are probably very obnoxious, but that isn't what we're discussing here. The main point is the $/hr, which is the first order indication of low value for a client, at least for this.

No, I don't know where the line is in terms of $/hr being worthwhile or a rip-off. It's a moving target, but I think we could all agree on certain ranges being egregious. For example, a plumber may charge $75 or $100 per hour and most people would find that range to be reasonable depending on the type of work, but people would find another plumber if the charge was $300 or more.

i am not confusing that at all. i know it's part of the equation. however with a realtor you have to take into consideration all the hours we put in that result in ZERO dollars. that is an inherent part of the profession therefore the commission structure is built to account for that. and honestly these days the 5% commission is becoming the most popular (around here)

No, I don't know where the line is in terms of $/hr being worthwhile or a rip-off. It's a moving target, but I think we could all agree on certain ranges being egregious. For example, a plumber may charge $75 or $100 per hour and most people would find that range to be reasonable depending on the type of work, but people would find another plumber if the charge was $300 or more.

we got quotes from 3 plumbers. 2 were referrals. they were all in that range i spoke of. if i did it in 1.5 hours my first time. i suspect it would have taken an experienced plumber 30 minutes.

I also know an agent most likely has to put in more time than I would to sell my house, but that's because of the fragmentation of their time investment due to driving and having other clients. That doesn't really change the underlying issue, though. I sold my house with approximately 30 hours of effort and I sold my last house in probably 45 or 50. I purchased my last three houses in less time than it would have taken with a realtor, so that's a win regardless of how it's sliced. No waiting on telephone relays for negotiating or the dozens of other things that need to be discussed AND I had a significant bargaining position: "ok, now that we've negotiated down to 96.5% of asking, take another 3% off because I don't have a realtor."

your first statement says it all. we have investment in time working for a lot of other clients of which many will result in zero financial gain. that's not your fault but it's partly the reasons commissions are that high.

let me ask you this, do you think people would get into a profession that wouldn't take into account the shitload of time commitment you have to make to not get paid for? basically - let me ask you - if i offered you a job that would have hundreds of hours where you'd make nothing, but you would get paid for the hours that ended up in a successful transaction only. would you do it?

funny enough today i stopped at the office in between two photo shoots. one of my good friends there and top 5 agent was there doing the paperwork for an offer that she knew would be outbid. she had to do it ethically but knew it was a total waste of her time. she knows the market very well. therefore the time she spent showing the place with that buyer, doing paperwork, responding and inquiring or what not, was going to be totally all a waste of time.

You have a few valid points, but, overall, the main issue is the outrageous cost for a low amount of work and arguably the same result. I say that because there have been valid points made with respect to the outcome, but percentage based income is extremely hard to justify especially for unskilled trades and this isn't an exception. Some might argue that a house worth $10 million would be harder to sell (for the most part, I disagree, but I'm merely painting a picture here) than a house worth $100k. Okay, we can debate that, but two houses worth $200k and $230k are going to be exactly the same amount of effort for anyone to sell and that's the real issue with the current fee model. The extra $1,800 in realtor fees are a complete waste of money for the clients on both end of that deal and there's no way to defend that.

i wouldn't call RE labor unskilled. anybody can become a realtor, but to be a good one takes skills. i could agree that a shitty agent that puts in little effort and gets lucky to close some deals being at the right place at the right time hasn't earned that commission.

but for good realtors - it takes a serious amount of organizational skill and time management. it takes a lot of social skills. it takes a lot of analytic and research skill to learn markets at any given time for a variety of types of property (1 family, 2 family, 3 family, 4 family, commercial buildings, condos, co-ops, vacant lots, rentals) and truly know the correct pricing for each to help your buyers and sellers. it takes great networking skills. it takes a lot of self-drive skills - because you aren't told what to do with every hour of your day like most jobs, you gotta figure that out yourselves. most people need the constant pressure of a boss, timeline and schedule made out for them. i consider independent management skills of yourself to be management skills in general. cause you got to manage, a lot. there is also a kind of 6th sense skill - being able to read people and know what they really want, and being able to find it in a sea of variety.

 

[BikeJunkie]

i wouldn't call RE labor unskilled. anybody can become a realtor, but to be a good one takes skills.

Which ones? Please note that "good communication" and "good organization" do not a skilled profession make.

And just because I'm not really interested in trying to paint you into a corner, I will say that if anyone can become a realtor (which you and I both agree on), then it's not a skilled profession. Sorry, but that's more or less the definition of "skilled profession."

 

[MrSquished]

Yeah, except you're leaving out half the picture here: your 6% commission and the "value" it allegedly buys your clients. You have still failed to justify what is essentially an enormous mark-up on the "services" you provide. On a $300,000 house, you are charging $18,000 for services that can be had for $1,000, and the latter are of significantly higher quality. What is the other $17,000 for? A convenience fee for people who haven't found the various FSBO sites yet?

You are leaving MORE than half the picture here. First of all a realtor does not earn 6% ONLY if they are both the seller and buyer's agent, which is usually rare. Your first dishonest implication.

Second of the 2.5-3% they get, it goes back to the firm who takes a big cut. 50% for new agents primarily. That cut the firm takes you know it pays for all the offices, IT, other staff, corporate profits, services provided, etc... At the end of the day a realtor who is either a buyer's agent or seller's agent on a 6% total commission will end up with about 1.5% of it. Now I know you say 'we don't give a shit about those fees' - that's just an intellectual cop out to just make your reality real enough so you feell right.

uh then that means you are nuts. You are stating a REALTOR, an individual, doesn't deserve that kind of money, a dollar amount YOU ARE MAKING UP - therefore to be honest (which you are not) you HAVE to consider how the money is divied up after the fact and what the REALTOR ACTUALLY GETS. a point all rational people would get, but you aren't rational.

You won't, which shows you are just an intellectually dishonest debater. I mean there is really not much else to say about that.

once you can acknowledge your entire premise that realtors simply get a full 6% commission from every transaction is totally misleading then get back to me. until then you are basically debating a point you think is right that is a complete lie.

 

[MrSquished]

Which ones? Please note that "good communication" and "good organization" do not a skilled profession make.

you can't read. i typed it right after the sentence and you cut it out of your quote.

yes good organization and good communication skills are definitely part of a skilled professional in many industries.

i'm sure you must be a great software architect if you think Good Organizational skills have nothing to do with your quality at that job. you must suck as a software architect, as they have to organize a bunch of shit. LMFAO

holy smokes batman.

 

[MrSquished]

Enjoy

Who's out of touch? Not that popular appeals will ever take the place of a logical argument, but the point stands: your profession is a PR nightmare. If you think I'm the end of the line, or this thread is the end of the line, you're in for a helluva ride. I know you're extremely inexperienced, so trust me when I tell you that your feet aren't even wet.

yes i can google a bunch of professions and say they suck cause the internet knows all

https://www.google.com/search?q=rea...=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#q=why+lawyers+suck

https://www.google.com/search?q=rea...rome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#q=why+do+doctors+suck


a 12 year old can do this. you got anything better?

 

[BikeJunkie]

You are leaving MORE than half the picture here. First of all a realtor does not earn 6% ONLY if they are both the seller and buyer's agent, which is usually rare. Your first dishonest implication.

Second of the 2.5-3% they get, it goes back to the firm who takes a big cut. 50% for new agents primarily. That cut the firm takes you know it pays for all the offices, IT, other staff, corporate profits, services provided, etc... At the end of the day a realtor who is either a buyer's agent or seller's agent on a 6% total commission will end up with about 1.5% of it. Now I know you say 'we don't give a shit about those fees' - that's just an intellectual cop out to just make your reality real enough so you feell right.

uh then that means you are nuts. You are stating a REALTOR, an individual, doesn't deserve that kind of money - therefore to be honest (which you are not) you HAVE to consider how the money is divied up after the fact.

You won't, which shows you are just an intellectually dishonest debater. I mean there is really not much else to say about that.

once you can acknowledge your entire premise that realtors simply get a full 6% commission from every transaction is totally misleading then get back to me. until then you are basically debating a point you think is right that is a complete lie.

It has nothing to do with whether I'm being intellectually honest or not; I've already addressed the issue of where the 6% goes, you just seem to be having difficulty grasping the concept of "it's not your client's problem where it goes." I don't care if you flush it down the toilet (much like your clients already did): your client pays it regardless, when in fact that could have spent a fraction of it and achieved the same - oftentimes better - results. That's why the split doesn't matter, your fees don't matter, yadda yadda yadda. That's all transparent to your client. At the end of the day, they have two choices: spend $18,000 to sell a $300,000 home, or spend $1,000. What happens to the $18,000 after the fact is moot, neither here nor there, and absolutely unequivocally irrelevant.

Rather than attack your intelligence on this point, I'll chalk it up to an innocent oversight on your part. No harm, no foul.

 

[BikeJunkie]

you can't read. i typed it right after the sentence and you cut it out of your quote.

And I addressed it in my post, which you quoted. Can you read?

Time management, communication, etc., do not equate to a "skilled profession." I'm being gentle when I say that's a helluva stretch.

I'm sorry, but no matter how you slice it, real estate is not a skilled profession. Sales is not a skilled profession (and some of them are fantastic communicators, are well organized, and excellent negotiators, etc).

Examples of skilled professions include mechanics, plumbers, surveyors, drafters, etc.

 

[BikeJunkie]

yes i can google a bunch of professions and say they suck cause the internet knows all

https://www.google.com/search?q=rea...=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#q=why+lawyers+suck

https://www.google.com/search?q=rea...rome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#q=why+do+doctors+suck


a 12 year old can do this. you got anything better?

Except complaints about lawyers and doctors pertain to screw ups and botches. No one goes on the internet and says "dammit I could have done that fuckin' brain surgery myself!" I'm not sure if a 12 year old knows the difference, but I do.

I'm trying to cool it with the ad hominem attacks and get back an honest debate. I invite you to join me.

 

[MrSquished]

For anybody else reading - let me break down to you a key BikeJunkie piece of misinformation. His point is that realtors do not deserve a 6% commission for the work they do.

He keeps refusing to acknowledge that's not what realtors get, and when told of that, said it is not even a point - yet if a realtor is really not actually getting that amount of money, his whole argument is a bunch of horse shit.

Let's take a 500K property. at a 6% commission rate that's 30K. THIS IS THE NUMBER HE CLAIMS REALTORS ARE GETTING AND IS ALL PISSY ABOUT.

But in realty - In almost all cases you are splitting that commission with another agent - because typically most homes have a buyer's agent different than the seller's agent - so you split that commission.

So now at 3% you are down to 15K. I work at a large firm. They take 6% off the top to cover what are transaction fees - for marketing, having a full time financial advisor on staff, a manager, an assistant manager and a processing manager. Ok so now that 15K is 14,100.

A fresh agent at a major firm works at a 50/50 split. As you do more transactions there are stages where your cut gets higher as you hit certain dollar levels. But let's go with 50/50. So out of that 14,100 you get $7,050. Now remember that you are a 1099, you need to pay taxes on it, so it's good to sock away 20% for uncle sam down the road.

So now you are at basically $5.5K.

So BikeJunkie's consistent STATEMENT OF FACT is that the Realtor just made $30K on a $500k transaction.

Reality? That agent just made $5.5K

So when BikeSchmuck can get honest, maybe an honest discussion can be had.

 

[BikeJunkie]

i'm sure you must be a great software architect if you think Good Organizational skills have nothing to do with your quality at that job. you must suck as a software architect, as they have to organize a bunch of shit. LMFAO

holy smokes batman.

You can keep going there all you want. Despite not enjoying my career very much, it is, in fact, a skilled job. You keep trying to bait me into this, but I guess I don't see the relevance to this discussion? Suppose I was the worst SA on earth. Would that make your services more valuable? I didn't think so.

I've held off on saying this because I do think it's rather harsh (despite it being true), but you insist on attacking me personally, so why not take the gloves off?

Which of us can do your job?
Which of us can do my job?

It is what it is

 

[MrSquished]

And I addressed it in my post, which you quoted. Can you read?

Time management, communication, etc., do not equate to a "skilled profession." I'm being gentle when I say that's a helluva stretch.

I'm sorry, but no matter how you slice it, real estate is not a skilled profession. Sales is not a skilled profession (and some of them are fantastic communicators, are well organized, and excellent negotiators, etc).

Examples of skilled professions include mechanics, plumbers, surveyors, drafters, etc.

If you don't think good organizational skills or time management pertain to someone who is a software architect then you must suck at your job.

"Software architect is a computer manager who makes high-level design choices and dictates technical standards, including software coding standards, tools, and platforms."

that means you gotta manage a bunch of shit. That means multiple people's time you oversee not to mention your own. Now there must be deadlines that you are given AND you have to make to prioritize certain things to get done or what not to be a good software architect.

You BETTER have fucking good organizational skills and time management skills. Or maybe you work in la la land where there aren't deadlines?

The fact you don't think two vitally important skills means you probably suck at your job.

 

[BikeJunkie]

For anybody else reading - let me break down to you a key BikeJunkie piece of misinformation. His point is that realtors do not deserve a 6% commission for the work they do.

He keeps refusing to acknowledge that's not what realtors get, and when told of that, said it is not even a point - yet if a realtor is really not actually getting that amount of money, his whole argument is a bunch of horse shit.

Let's take a 500K property. at a 6% commission rate that's 30K. THIS IS THE NUMBER HE CLAIMS REALTORS ARE GETTING AND IS ALL PISSY ABOUT.

But in realty - In almost all cases you are splitting that commission with another agent - because typically most homes have a buyer's agent different than the seller's agent - so you split that commission.

So now at 3% you are down to 15K. I work at a large firm. They take 6% off the top to cover what are transaction fees - for marketing, having a full time financial advisor on staff, a manager, an assistant manager and a processing manager. Ok so now that 15K is 14,100.

A fresh agent at a major firm works at a 50/50 split. As you do more transactions there are stages where your cut gets higher as you hit certain dollar levels. But let's go with 50/50. So out of that 14,100 you get $7,050. Now remember that you are a 1099, you need to pay taxes on it, so it's good to sock away 20% for uncle sam down the road.

So now you are at basically $5.5K.

So BikeJunkie's consistent STATEMENT OF FACT is that the Realtor just made $30K on a $500k transaction.

Reality? That agent just made $5.5K

So when BikeSchmuck can get honest, maybe an honest discussion can be had.

You are still clinging (with futility) to the notion that the fact that you don't keep the entire 6% somehow adds value to your services on the client's end. This is horrifically flawed logic.

 

[MrSquished]

You are still clinging (with futility) to the notion that the fact that you don't keep the entire 6% somehow adds value to your services on the client's end. This is horrifically flawed logic.

as i posted above, you can't simply dismiss the reality of where the money goes when you are specifically attacking a SINGLE INDEPENDENT REAL ESTATE AGENT's PAY vs TIME AND SKILLS are put into vs WHAT THEY MAKE.

they don't make that 6%. therefore you simply can't just dismiss what happens with the money after the deal is closed. NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU REPEAT IT DOES NOT MAKE IT REALITY.

if you want to attack the entire real estate INDUSTRY as a whole (because that's where the ACTUAL 5-6% goes) then go for it. however up till now you are just a liar and a fraud that has been attacking individual agents while ignoring the reality of who gets what money.

 

[BikeJunkie]

If you don't think good organizational skills or time management pertain to someone who is a software architect then you must suck at your job.

"Software architect is a computer manager who makes high-level design choices and dictates technical standards, including software coding standards, tools, and platforms."

that means you gotta manage a bunch of shit. That means multiple people's time you oversee not to mention your own. Now there must be deadlines that you are given AND you have to make to prioritize certain things to get done or what not to be a good software architect.

You BETTER have fucking good organizational skills and time management skills. Or maybe you work in la la land where there aren't deadlines?

The fact you don't think two vitally important skills means you probably suck at your job.

/facepalm

I'm trying to patient with you, really I am. Who said that skilled professions don't require these soft skills? No one. What we're saying is, soft skills do not inherently categorize a profession as skilled.

Pump the brakes, relax for a moment, lay off the personal attacks, and try to read that with the intention of hearing what I'm saying. I'm not being condescending here... seriously... read it to understand it and I think you'll see what we're trying to say with respect to the term "skilled profession."

 

[MrSquished]

in SchmuckJunkies world, what would it be like if I were to attack what Software Architects made - when his pay was based on commission.

let's say the commission on what he made was based upon only the software design a client actually chose to pay for. but none of the software he spent time helping develop but was never bought by a client.

and that commission was 6%. but after everybody's cut was taken, he ended up with 1.5%. i'd kinda be a dishonest asshole to keep insisting he was overpaid for making 6% on that piece of software, even though he got nowhere near that. and just keep repeating - listen buddy, what you actually get paid is irrelevant, it's what the client pays in total, regardless of what you get.

yeah, i'd be an asshole.

shit man, guess that makes you an asshole.

 

[BikeJunkie]

as i posted above, you can't simply dismiss the reality of where the money goes when you are specifically attacking a SINGLE INDEPENDENT REAL ESTATE AGENT's PAY vs TIME AND SKILLS are put into vs WHAT THEY MAKE.

they don't make that 6%. therefore you simply can't just dismiss what happens with the money after the deal is closed. NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU REPEAT IT DOES NOT MAKE IT REALITY.

if you want to attack the entire real estate INDUSTRY as a whole (because that's where the ACTUAL 5-6% goes) then go for it. however up till now you are just a liar and a fraud that has been attacking individual agents while ignoring the reality of who gets what money.

Except they CHARGE 6% TO THE CLIENT. Do you honestly not see the significance of that? This whole thread revolves your value proposition as a realtor. The value you bring to the table costs your client 6%, regardless of what happens to that 6% later.

That's as simple as I can make it. We're all hardwired to protect our own interests and egos, and at this point, yours is overriding your judgement and ability to read what's before you and make basic logical connections.

I'm not interested in attacking you. Obviously, I think very little of realtors. Too many horror stories to count and the value they bring to the table just doesn't warrant the cost. That's my position. I'm not going to change your mind, nor am I interested in perpetually holding your feet to the fire.

If you think you provide a great service to your clients and they're happy, then that's all you should care about.

 

[BikeJunkie]

in SchmuckJunkies world, what would it be like if I were to attack what Software Architects made - when his pay was based on commission.

I suppose it would be like you fabricating an entirely nonsensical scenario for the purposes of propping up yet another ad hominem attack that, in your own head, you'd mistake for some sort of logical argument.

yeah, i'd be an asshole.

shit man, guess that makes you an asshole.

Called it!

What do I win?

 

[MrSquished]

/facepalm

I'm trying to patient with you, really I am. Who said that skilled professions don't require these soft skills? No one. What we're saying is, soft skills do not inherently categorize a profession as skilled.

Pump the brakes, relax for a moment, lay off the personal attacks, and try to read that with the intention of hearing what I'm saying. I'm not being condescending here... seriously... read it to understand it and I think you'll see what we're trying to say with respect to the term "skilled profession."

right a skilled profession is one you need a ton of training for. sure, but at the end of the day there are plenty of jobs you don't need super-specific training in. but you do need those other kinds of skills to be good at it.

shit to be a marketer you could have a degree in pretty much something like english, communications, or business, not necessarily marketing by any means.

however all the skills i mentioned will make you good and successful at your job. therefore on some level i consider them skills that a lot of people don't have but do contribute to how well you do at your PROFESSIONAL job. on some level they are professional skills, because they are pretty damn important on how you perform at your job.

 

[MrSquished]

Except they CHARGE 6% TO THE CLIENT. Do you honestly not see the significance of that? This whole thread revolves your value proposition as a realtor. The value you bring to the table costs your client 6%, regardless of what happens to that 6% later.

of course the client pays the 6%.

but you are attacking individual realtors as if they actually get that 6%.

you are completely wrong here.

if you want to attack the entire REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY for charging the 6%, go for it. but until now you have based your attacks on individual agents. attack the entire industry for charging 6% (basically between 2 firms. so really 3% per company)

attack real estate companies for asking for 3% for each transaction and then you'd start being honest.

whatever dude, you are hopeless. good luck with living in your altered reality universe.

 

[BikeJunkie]

right a skilled profession is one you need a ton of training for. sure, but at the end of the day there are plenty of jobs you don't need super-specific training in. but you do need those other kinds of skills to be good at it.

shit to be a marketer you could have a degree in pretty much something like english, communications, or business, not necessarily marketing by any means.

however all the skills i mentioned will make you good and successful at your job. therefore on some level i consider them skills that a lot of people don't have but do contribute to how well you do at your PROFESSIONAL job. on some level they are professional skills, because they are pretty damn important on how you perform at your job.

The problem is that you are trying to redefine what we as a society regard as "skilled profession." Just because you can identify a skilled that Profession A requires, does not mean you have just identified a skilled profession. I cannot just walk out the door and become a car mechanic. I would need substantial training to do that. The same is true of electrical work, plumbing, etc. On the other hand, I could sell my house without one iota of training, and with very minimal training, I could sell yours. As such, the population does not consider real estate a "skilled profession." This is not my opinion; this is an indisputable fact that I'm trying to pass along to you as common knowledge.

 

[BikeJunkie]

of course the client pays the 6%.

but you are attacking individual realtors as if they actually get that 6%.

No, I am not. You've chosen to throw blinders on and ignore everything that flies in the face of this. At the very least, I'm able to tell you what my intent is. Even when I do, you tell me I'm wrong. If that isn't nuts, I don't know what is.

I've told you my issue is the lack of value they bring to the table. You've chosen, repeatedly I might add, to ignore this component of my posts (presumably so you can keep arguing about how "wrong" I am about where the 6% goes, even though that was never my argument in the first place). Textbook straw man.

if you want to attack the entire REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY for charging the 6%, go for it. but until now you have based your attacks on individual agents.

Once again, you're misrepresenting my argument. Make no mistake, I'm attacking the entire industry. That's what this entire thread is about. But you're so worked up right now and typing so feverishly that I think you've genuinely lost touch with the conversation and what's being said. Long ago, you stopped reading for the purposes of understanding, and instead are reading for the purposes of finding an opening to attack. That's fine; your profession has come under fire and it's a natural reaction. I hope you find a way to come to terms with that reality, though, because for as long as you're a realtor, that will be the case.

whatever dude, you are hopeless. good luck with living in your altered reality universe.

Later on, when you go back through and re-read the last page or two, I think you'll be a little embarrassed.

 

[MrSquished]

The problem is that you are trying to redefine what we as a society regard as "skilled profession." Just because you can identify a skilled that Profession A requires, does not mean you have just identified a skilled profession. I cannot just walk out the door and become a car mechanic. I would need substantial training to do that. The same is true of electrical work, plumbing, etc. On the other hand, I could sell my house without one iota of training, and with very minimal training, I could sell yours. As such, the population does not consider real estate a "skilled profession." This is not my opinion; this is an indisputable fact that I'm trying to pass along to you as common knowledge.

i could agree with that on some level. let's not call it a skilled profession but i have to stand by to be good at it you need to have serious skills in things that are applicable to a variety of professions - which includes time management. top organizational skills. analytical and research skills. communication and people skills, etc...

a lot of people would consider my other profession as a skilled profession. that as an RE photographer. guess what, i taught myself everything by myself about how to shoot good RE. i had no formal training. i taught myself not just how to shoot it, or how to use lighthing, but how to post process everything. i had zero professional training. but yet i'd be considered a skilled professional. similar to an RE agent, who actually requires some schooling.

however, to attack an an individual for making x amount of money per transaction when they actually make far less but saying that is irrelevant, i can never agree with. it's just not reality.

 

[MrSquished]

Once again, you're misrepresenting my argument. Make no mistake, I'm attacking the entire industry. That's what this entire thread is about.

umm your thread title specifically says REAL ESTATE AGENT. and the vast majority of your posts (and MRDUDEGUY) are attacking the INDIVIDUAL AGENT for time/work invested vs getting a 6% commission. i could make a million quotes of you two arguing that.

now you want to switch to you have been really railing against the entire industry vs individuals after i pointed out you simply can't not include what happens to that 6%?

oye. you got some balls brother.

 

[BikeJunkie]

a lot of people would consider my other profession as a skilled profession. that as an RE photographer. guess what, i taught myself everything by myself about how to shoot good RE. i had no formal training. i taught myself not just how to shoot it, or how to use lighthing, but how to post process everything. i had zero professional training. but yet i'd be considered a skilled professional. similar to an RE agent, who actually requires some schooling.

I don't think there's anyone here who would not agree that you are a fantastic photographer :thumbsup:

however, to attack an an individual for making x amount of money per transaction when they actually make far less but saying that is irrelevant, i can never agree with. it's just not reality.

It was never my intent to attack you for "making too much." I have an issue with the industry and, sure, all of the bad seeds it seems to attract. I was attacking what it costs sellers (and buyers, due to inflated prices that are a direct result of the fees attached to the process). I know very well that there are RE's out there who bust their ass. They're few and far between, but I do know they're out there.

 

[BikeJunkie]

umm your thread title specifically says REAL ESTATE AGENT

It's not my thread

umm your thread title specifically says REAL ESTATE AGENT. and the vast majority of your posts (and MRDUDEGUY) are attacking the INDIVIDUAL AGENT for time/work invested vs getting a 6% commission. i could make a million quotes of you two arguing that.

now you want to switch to you have been really railing against the entire industry vs individuals after i pointed out you simply can't not include what happens to that 6%?

oye. you got some balls brother.

*sigh* I thought we were making progress.

Tell you what, Champ. Go find out who the real thread author is and take your straw men up with him. You're obviously having trouble keeping all of this straight. Who's who, who said what, etc. I've said my piece.