The fact is, your profession has been debunked HARD in this thread
incorrect. there have been many posters that do believe realtors can and are earning their money. if i was a lone wolf you'd have a point. unfortunately since you state the above, it shows how out of touch with reality you are since you think this thread has done that. sure, if almost everyone agreed, perhaps, and even then it's only an internet off topic forum thread with say 40 people involved in it, not sure how that would be an emphatic statement an entire profession has been debunked, whatever profession that might be.
Show me that you can sell/buy my house faster and with more bulletproofing than I can on my own, and for less cost (account for your 6% commission). It can't be done, and the amount of shit work that you get pulled into as an agent has no bearing on your value to me whatsoever.
i can't prove nor disprove that i can sell your house faster and with more bulletproofing than you can, because as I've stated repeatedly YOU CAN BUY AND SELL RE ON YOUR OWN AND DO IT VERY WELL. it's just not for everyone, as you consistently claim. you make no sense. there are some resources that we have that can add to the speed of the sale -we have many buyers we are working with. and so do our colleagues. once it's spread around the office, there is an instant buyer pool to be sourced. Also most 1st time buyers have no fucking clue about what goes on during a 45 day closing. We tell them, and then they feel confident enough to see properties, etc...
You say you're left with shitty buyers and sellers who can't make decisions? Yeah no shit. Those of us who are ready to do business already know we don't need your "services".
no the reason we are left with shitty buyers and sellers is because 99% of people do use realtors, not because most people don't use realtors. if your statement was correct, MOST re would be sold and bought independently of realtors. therefore we deal with both the serious buyers and sellers and the bullshit ones BECAUSE WE CURRENTLY OWN THE RE MARKET. you live in a weird world of imaginary things.
No shit. The rest of us call that "the Internet," and we have access to any number of services that can perform the same tricks you seem to regard as "magic."
no shit. another fun note. there are some people out there who suck at the internet. they have no idea of the resources available. mostly people that are 30 and over, and especially 40-50 and older. so they would have no clue what they could harness online. as the younger generation that has grown up with the internet gets older i do suspect that realtors will be utilized less and less because they will be far more aware of the online world. however, again this just proves me right, you see everything in black and white. i said there are people who can and people who can't sell and buy RE and people who can. you think everyone can. just like this internet thing. man you are thickheaded
You said
here that you haven't even been in the business for a year. Even your fellow snakeoil salesmen would tell you that you haven't nearly enough experience to be operating on your own. I almost wonder if I've done more closings than you have
🙂 Your brethren claim that 10 years is the minimum experience necessary for an agent to be truly "qualified" (whatever the hell that means). So yeah...
I have never seen nor heard my brethren say anything of the sort about 10 years being needed. You have any sources or did you just make that up like most of the rest of your world? I can tell you that realtors from multiple agencies have told me if you work hard and smart, 2-3 years you will be an excellent and successful agent. Not sure who your sources are since you say nothing just keep making exorbitant claims. Also at most bigger firms (not sure about little) there is a lot of training done early on, and you also work with an experienced realtor on your first couple transactions they don't just send you out there to the wolves with just RE school certificate. Those 'mentors' get a cut of your commission if they choose to.
You said
here that FSBO is "notoriously unsuccessful," yet here in this thread you have a number of people telling you just the opposite. But because it doesn't fit your agenda, you like to pretend those posts don't exist.
Again this proves your insanity. i have REPEATEDLY said that yes indeed some people can be very good and successful at selling and buying RE. but because it doesnt fit your agenda, you like to pretend those posts don't exist. that's the sign of a person losing a debate because they alter reality to make themselves think they are right.
- In several posts in this thread, you cite your own expenses (brokerage fees, taxes, etc) as justifications for the 6%. What you've consistently failed to grasp is that no one gives a fuck about those fees. At the end of the day, you're still asking for 6%, and for PENNIES (compared to that) I can get the job done myself, without any middlemen, and with far more expertise. This is one of the more substantial points you've deliberately ignored: you can't hold a candle to a real estate ATTORNEY. You can take good pictures? GREAT, then be a photographer. I can get myself an attorney, photographer, and an appraiser all for about $1000. If I want to go balls to the wall, I can also get a stager (a service most real estate agents don't provide anyway). The takeaway is, there's not one single damn thing that you bring to the table that can be farmed out for far, FAR better value. Realtors like to think they're some sort of jack of all trades. In reality, they know just enough to be dangerous in a few of them and are an expert at none of them. In other words, totally fucking useless.
there is more involved to it than that but yet again, I NEVER SAID IT CAN"T BE DONE by individuals. but a lot of people have no business sense, or aren't that smart enough to be able to do it, and some people are smart but just lack some of the skillset needed. and some people HAVE the time but simply don't want to put in the time of dealing with things like all the showings, the time online spent promoting, vetting renters, vetting buyers, etc.etc etc.... again just you ignoring my constant point that this is a gray area discussion, not black and white.
- On
page 3, I laid out the bulk of my argument, as did DudeMan, and FelixDeCat. You ignored ALL of those arguments wholesale (you quoted nobody and you countered nothing), so quit your childish bitching about people ignoring your "points."
as shown above i have responded to everything and you are consistently shown to be out of touch with the reality of this thread. the only thing i agree with in this quote is that realtors will be a lot less needed as the tech savvy generation ages and also technology via some smart start-ups will appear and also help to make it easier to buy and sell on your own. but it's a decent ways away, but why I plan to start investing in RE when I get the money in a few years so I build another source of income for the decades ahead when I will be needed less and less. However even then there will simply be a lot of people who simply don't want to put the time in because of their already busy lives and guess what, there will be plenty of those.
So nuts I've saved several hundred thousand dollars in realtor fees 😉 I've received not one, not two, but THREE PM's regarding a previous meltdown you had in some bizarre watch thread. This is your MO. You take a weak-minded stab at an intelligent conversation, and when you fail to convert people to your belief system, you go completely off the rails and make a fool of yourself. This thread has been no different, so you calling me "kinda nuts" is just fine with me 😉
Again, I never implied it was nuts you saved money in realtor fees. I have stated repeatedly that if someone can do it and has the time and wants to put it in, they can do it very well. So this makes your statement yet again fucking insane. I even said good for you. I mean who can have a discussion with someone so fucking willingly obtuse. As far as a watch thread, sure, I've made a few stupid drunk posts on the web before, I can live with it. In this thread I've simply methodically proven you choose to ignore what you don't want to hear
And I'd like you to please elaborate on if you feel there are any other professions that are total rip offs. Let's start with a few.
Painters. Listen, a trained monkey could practically paint a house inside or out. Yet people hire them. Does that make professional painters snakeoil salesemen? It should based upon everything you said here.
Plumbers. They do charge some pretty decent coin. I gave the example that to change all the fixtures in a kitchen faucet, they wanted like $300 or a bit more. I thought it was too much, got my tools and figured it out myself and did it in about 1.5 hours. I guarantee you a lot of people could do it themselves but don't. So plumbers must be snakeoil salesmen for charging for these small type jobs (there are some serious plumbing issues that require a much higher level of knowledge, but for basic plumbing) According to you yes.
What about construction. For stuff like say doing some re-tiling, or say a backsplash in a kitchen. That could easily be self-taught. A worthless profession for those jobs? I dunno, you tell me. You seem to be an expert.
Basic bicycle repair. I worked in a bike shop. There are so many minor adjustments that are done to fix certain issues that take under 5 minutes yet are charged at say $30-40 bucks in this market. Teaching yourself basic bicycle repair is not that hard for some people. So tell me, are bike mechanics thieves as well?
Hmmmm, what about oil changes. One of the easiest things a person can do on their own. And yet the vast majority of people don't. What's up with that. Can you put that in your paradigm and explain how you feel about it. Oil changes are a fuck load easier to do than buy and sell RE (well maybe not in your loony land)
And finally, building a pc. Probably one of the biggest reasons this forum'd popularity started driven from the good content of AT's main site. It's really not that hard to people like you and me and most posters in this thread probably to teach ourselves how to build pc's. I taught myself yet it remains a niche enthusiast market. Please start preaching about how pc makers should have been totally unnecessary the last 10 years at least when getting pc parts has been so easy, and eveyone is an idiot for not taking the time to teach themselves and then build pc's. AND overclocking it (which i found easy) oh and everyone should teach themselves how to root a phone and get rid of all the carrier bloatware (another thing pretty easy to do for say someone like me or yourself who has the intelligence and drive to do it. It's easier than selling or buying RE)
Please let us know your feelings on these and a zillion other things people could do to save themselves money and why those who provide those services and/or sell them those products are unnecessary scum.
Edit: oh and your $1,000 for attorney, photographer, appraiser and everything you need to sell a home you should just know....i'll tell you a secret, there are many differently priced markets in this country. in this market, an RE attorney is $1300. oh and you forgot home inspector. and btw you don't need an appraiser if it's a cash deal. just a couple simple facts for you. just an fyi
