why can't they vote?

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: JS80
Why would she allow W to get the credit for signing an energy plan? She's playing politics and stonewalling so she can give credit to her lord and savior obama.

Exactly what I was going to post.

edit: At this point, if she does allow the vote and the 'pubs win, and it lowers oil prices like it certainly will, she'll look like an even bigger ass for not doing it sooner.

You were going to post a moronic partisan hack troll too? Wow... and you brag about that.

BTW, oil prices are ALREADY down more than $30 bucks in barely more than a month, so much as I hate Pelosi and what's she doing here, the only one looking like an ass here is you for being so ignorant on this subject while pretending otherwise.

Originally posted by: IGBT
..she's the flack catcher for the ecoKOOKS. they're following their plan to keep energy punitively expensive. it's for your own good. she says she has a planet to save.

Yes, because it was the 'ecoKOOKS' who drove prices up.

No, wait... no, it wasn't. :roll:

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Obama is actually turning out to be pretty moderate. He mentioned he'd be willing to work with Republicans on a plan that included drilling in ANWR and on the OCS. We need something to end this stalemate in Congress, the Democrats need to compromise on the drilling issue.

He's always been pretty moderate. The 'OMG far left' bit is just a smear spoon-fed to the talk radio wingnuts. Even McCain was against lifting the drilling ban until recently.

Pelosi OTOH is not moderate, but hey, her district isn't even as big as to include the entire city of San Francisco. So she represents her constituents. This is why I was not happy when she got the Speaker position last year.

Sad to say though, guys, the oil companies (and thus the Republican party) are going to lose this round. 5 weeks from now, oil and gas prices will have dropped to the point that this won't even be much of an issue, and the drilling ban will be removed with little fanfare. And a new bigger issue will be at center stage.

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Obama is actually turning out to be pretty moderate. He mentioned he'd be willing to work with Republicans on a plan that included drilling in ANWR and on the OCS. We need something to end this stalemate in Congress, the Democrats need to compromise on the drilling issue.

Obama is about as moderate as bush. I am still waiting for all these examples of him siding against the extreme left of his party and joining the republicans to get stuff done. Obama said limited drilling which is basically worthless. Limited as in well you can have the parts of the OCS that have no oil ha ha. Limited as in so many regulations no drilling will get done. Limited as in if you drill the tax rate on any new oil will be so high it won't be worth it.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Obama is actually turning out to be pretty moderate. He mentioned he'd be willing to work with Republicans on a plan that included drilling in ANWR and on the OCS. We need something to end this stalemate in Congress, the Democrats need to compromise on the drilling issue.

Obama is about as moderate as bush. I am still waiting for all these examples of him siding against the extreme left of his party and joining the republicans to get stuff done. Obama said limited drilling which is basically worthless. Limited as in well you can have the parts of the OCS that has no oil ha ha. Limited as so many regulations no drilling will get done. Limited as well if you drill the tax rate on any new oil will be so high it won't be worth it.

Who's 2nd account are you?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: herm0016
Topic Title: why can't they vote?

Topic Summary: pelosi will not let the house vote on energy

Because she knows it is a waste of time with Bush and his minions still in charge.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: loki8481

if Pelosi keeps this up, though, I'll be voting straight R in the NJ congressional/senate elections.

You were going to vote straight R no matter what Pelosi or any Democrat does.

Epic fail

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: IGBT
..she's the flack catcher for the ecoKOOKS. they're following their plan to keep energy punitively expensive. it's for your own good. she says she has a planet to save.

Look at all the people on these forums who call for even higher gas prices to try to force people out of their SUV's...

I'm one who calls for higher gas prices...but not to force people out of SUVs.

It's to build the desire to wean people off of oil. If that means weaning people off of SUVs in the process, so be it.

I have to throw up a little, I agree with TLC on this one

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Seven years of inaction and the GOP is whining about a yearly 5-week vacation?

Sorry, Americans aren't stupid enough to fall for that. Or are they?

For the record...the last 1.6 years of inaction was controlled by the party of change...you just don't get it do you?

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
In my mind, it all comes down to what amounts to an essential democratic failure. And that failure is to take the bull by the horns and craft a simple message that the American people can understand.

A simple democratic energy message that everyone could understand is as follows. It does no good to lease drilling rights if the oil companies sit on the leases. It does no good to talk about alternative energy options without a bi partisan plan to finance it.

Thus far the Republirats have done doodly squat and so have the demorats. As for the oil companies, they have spent more on alternative energy advertising than on actual R&D.

Assuming I was naïve or ignorant enough to think they just sit on those areas alreadt leased, the government gets paid a winning bid for the lease along with term payments. Can't say that is a bad thing for the citizens. Even if you want to go down the yellow brick road and giving them more land to not develop, that would still be more government income through additional auctions and rent collection.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: IGBT
..she's the flack catcher for the ecoKOOKS. they're following their plan to keep energy punitively expensive. it's for your own good. she says she has a planet to save.

Look at all the people on these forums who call for even higher gas prices to try to force people out of their SUV's...

I'm one who calls for higher gas prices...but not to force people out of SUVs. It's to build the desire to wean people off of oil. If that means weaning people off of SUVs in the process, so be it.

Couldn't agree more on that statement.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: quest55720
She is won't go against the tree huggers plain and simple. The republicans have caved on everything else in the energy debate. They caved on alternatives and MPG standards but Pelosi who go against the tree huggers. Pelosi and the democrats have sided with the tree huggers over the working class. Hopefully the republicans can do good enough this november to get a real energy plan passed instead of the Obama plan that was writen by the Sierra Club. Nothing will happen before the elections so that means I will vote strait republican since all the democratic canidates in my area are anti-drilling.

This will be the 3rd strait election I will vote for a person I don't like thanks to the democratic party going to far left.

The (R)'s 'caved' on alternatives and MPG standards? Oh how very noble of them. :roll: There was no logical reason to ever be against them in the first place. Keep voting (R) though. It's been great... :laugh:

 

[StageLeft]

say get them all back to work, they work for us

rofl of the day, who are you kidding?

The democratic congress is complete tits and utterly useless, just as the republicans are. Until the entire country realizes that one party being bad doesn't mean the other is good and rather both are crap, we'll continue to see wheels spun and time wasted.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: loki8481

if Pelosi keeps this up, though, I'll be voting straight R in the NJ congressional/senate elections.

You were going to vote straight R no matter what Pelosi or any Democrat does.

Epic fail

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: quest55720
She is won't go against the tree huggers plain and simple. The republicans have caved on everything else in the energy debate. They caved on alternatives and MPG standards but Pelosi who go against the tree huggers. Pelosi and the democrats have sided with the tree huggers over the working class. Hopefully the republicans can do good enough this november to get a real energy plan passed instead of the Obama plan that was writen by the Sierra Club. Nothing will happen before the elections so that means I will vote strait republican since all the democratic canidates in my area are anti-drilling.

This will be the 3rd strait election I will vote for a person I don't like thanks to the democratic party going to far left.

The (R)'s 'caved' on alternatives and MPG standards? Oh how very noble of them. :roll: There was no logical reason to ever be against them in the first place. Keep voting (R) though. It's been great... :laugh:

That's a pretty silly statement, there could be plenty of logical reasons to be against certain standards. Hey, lets mandate that by the end of this year, every car on the road has to get 200 MPG, there's no logical reason to be against MPG standards amirite?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

say get them all back to work, they work for us

rofl of the day, who are you kidding?

The democratic congress is complete tits and utterly useless, just as the republicans are. Until the entire country realizes that one party being bad doesn't mean the other is good and rather both are crap, we'll continue to see wheels spun and time wasted.

QFT. Once they figure out that both parties are crap (a miracle in itself)...it gets into a who's shit stinks worse argument. For the record...in case some people have trouble understanding...shit stinks.

Now that we got that out of the way...maybe just maybe...we can actually hold people accountable for their actions/inactions instead of idolizing or demonizing purely on the basis of party affiliation. Pelosi needs to stop stonewalling...she's placing her personal agenda above the needs of the nation...utter fail...we lose.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: quest55720
She is won't go against the tree huggers plain and simple. The republicans have caved on everything else in the energy debate. They caved on alternatives and MPG standards but Pelosi who go against the tree huggers. Pelosi and the democrats have sided with the tree huggers over the working class. Hopefully the republicans can do good enough this november to get a real energy plan passed instead of the Obama plan that was writen by the Sierra Club. Nothing will happen before the elections so that means I will vote strait republican since all the democratic canidates in my area are anti-drilling.

This will be the 3rd strait election I will vote for a person I don't like thanks to the democratic party going to far left.

The (R)'s 'caved' on alternatives and MPG standards? Oh how very noble of them. :roll: There was no logical reason to ever be against them in the first place. Keep voting (R) though. It's been great... :laugh:

That's a pretty silly statement, there could be plenty of logical reasons to be against certain standards. Hey, lets mandate that by the end of this year, every car on the road has to get 200 MPG, there's no logical reason to be against MPG standards amirite?

Stop being stupid.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

say get them all back to work, they work for us

rofl of the day, who are you kidding?

The democratic congress is complete tits and utterly useless, just as the republicans are. Until the entire country realizes that one party being bad doesn't mean the other is good and rather both are crap, we'll continue to see wheels spun and time wasted.

/thread

This is what all the fools in here fail to understand.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: quest55720
She is won't go against the tree huggers plain and simple. The republicans have caved on everything else in the energy debate. They caved on alternatives and MPG standards but Pelosi who go against the tree huggers. Pelosi and the democrats have sided with the tree huggers over the working class. Hopefully the republicans can do good enough this november to get a real energy plan passed instead of the Obama plan that was writen by the Sierra Club. Nothing will happen before the elections so that means I will vote strait republican since all the democratic canidates in my area are anti-drilling.

This will be the 3rd strait election I will vote for a person I don't like thanks to the democratic party going to far left.

The (R)'s 'caved' on alternatives and MPG standards? Oh how very noble of them. :roll: There was no logical reason to ever be against them in the first place. Keep voting (R) though. It's been great... :laugh:

That's a pretty silly statement, there could be plenty of logical reasons to be against certain standards. Hey, lets mandate that by the end of this year, every car on the road has to get 200 MPG, there's no logical reason to be against MPG standards amirite?

Stop being stupid.

My point was that obviously there can be logical and legitimate reasons to oppose MPG standards, it's not as black and white as you seem to think it is.

 

[herm0016]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: Skoorb

say get them all back to work, they work for us

rofl of the day, who are you kidding?

The democratic congress is complete tits and utterly useless, just as the republicans are. Until the entire country realizes that one party being bad doesn't mean the other is good and rather both are crap, we'll continue to see wheels spun and time wasted.

/thread

This is what all the fools in here fail to understand.

i guess i should have said they "should" be working for us. obviously, they are not at this point, seeing as we cant get a vote on a bill that has lots of support.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: JD50
That's a pretty silly statement, there could be plenty of logical reasons to be against certain standards. Hey, lets mandate that by the end of this year, every car on the road has to get 200 MPG, there's no logical reason to be against MPG standards amirite?

Stop being stupid.

My point was that obviously there can be logical and legitimate reasons to oppose MPG standards, it's not as black and white as you seem to think it is.

Yes, there are logical and legitimate reasons to oppose MPG standards, but pushing for fleet standards of 30 or 40 MPG is not unreasonable or illogical.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: quest55720
She is won't go against the tree huggers plain and simple. The republicans have caved on everything else in the energy debate. They caved on alternatives and MPG standards but Pelosi who go against the tree huggers. Pelosi and the democrats have sided with the tree huggers over the working class. Hopefully the republicans can do good enough this november to get a real energy plan passed instead of the Obama plan that was writen by the Sierra Club. Nothing will happen before the elections so that means I will vote strait republican since all the democratic canidates in my area are anti-drilling.

This will be the 3rd strait election I will vote for a person I don't like thanks to the democratic party going to far left.

The (R)'s 'caved' on alternatives and MPG standards? Oh how very noble of them. :roll: There was no logical reason to ever be against them in the first place. Keep voting (R) though. It's been great... :laugh:

That's a pretty silly statement, there could be plenty of logical reasons to be against certain standards. Hey, lets mandate that by the end of this year, every car on the road has to get 200 MPG, there's no logical reason to be against MPG standards amirite?

Stop being stupid.

My point was that obviously there can be logical and legitimate reasons to oppose MPG standards, it's not as black and white as you seem to think it is.

You mentioned 200MPG. From what I read it was 35MPG by 2020.

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: IGBT
..she's the flack catcher for the ecoKOOKS. they're following their plan to keep energy punitively expensive. it's for your own good. she says she has a planet to save.

Look at all the people on these forums who call for even higher gas prices to try to force people out of their SUV's...

I'm one who calls for higher gas prices...but not to force people out of SUVs. It's to build the desire to wean people off of oil. If that means weaning people off of SUVs in the process, so be it.

So you want to wean people off of food and other essential goods. That is what high fuel prices will do. Who do you think will pay for the extra shipping costs? Then once the economy slows down even more people can start to be weaned off of jobs. But hey if some people starve to death who cares right as long as that rich guy can't drive his SUV right?

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: JD50
That's a pretty silly statement, there could be plenty of logical reasons to be against certain standards. Hey, lets mandate that by the end of this year, every car on the road has to get 200 MPG, there's no logical reason to be against MPG standards amirite?

Stop being stupid.

My point was that obviously there can be logical and legitimate reasons to oppose MPG standards, it's not as black and white as you seem to think it is.

Yes, there are logical and legitimate reasons to oppose MPG standards, but pushing for fleet standards of 30 or 40 MPG is not unreasonable or illogical.

How about the people who drive 1 hr+ commutes?

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: JS80
Why would she allow W to get the credit for signing an energy plan? She's playing politics and stonewalling so she can give credit to her lord and savior obama.

Exactly what I was going to post.

edit: At this point, if she does allow the vote and the 'pubs win, and it lowers oil prices like it certainly will, she'll look like an even bigger ass for not doing it sooner.

You were going to post a moronic partisan hack troll too? Wow... and you brag about that.

BTW, oil prices are ALREADY down more than $30 bucks in barely more than a month, so much as I hate Pelosi and what's she doing here, the only one looking like an ass here is you for being so ignorant on this subject while pretending otherwise.

Originally posted by: IGBT
..she's the flack catcher for the ecoKOOKS. they're following their plan to keep energy punitively expensive. it's for your own good. she says she has a planet to save.

Yes, because it was the 'ecoKOOKS' who drove prices up.

No, wait... no, it wasn't. :roll:

Hi Pot. Or are you Kettle?

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: IGBT
..she's the flack catcher for the ecoKOOKS. they're following their plan to keep energy punitively expensive. it's for your own good. she says she has a planet to save.

Look at all the people on these forums who call for even higher gas prices to try to force people out of their SUV's...

I'm one who calls for higher gas prices...but not to force people out of SUVs. It's to build the desire to wean people off of oil. If that means weaning people off of SUVs in the process, so be it.

So you want to wean people off of food and other essential goods. That is what high fuel prices will do. Who do you think will pay for the extra shipping costs? Then once the economy slows down even more people can start to be weaned off of jobs. But hey if some people starve to death who cares right as long as that rich guy can't drive his SUV right?

Damn you and your common sense!