Why can't I grasp Linux?

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Anubis
mandrake & red Hat - linux for idiots

IMO you should use Slackware

Mandrake is a PITA. w/ debian distros, I can do most anything, though I'm still n00bish enough to need to be googling all the time for anything

I don't know a non-developer admin that doesn't use google constantly.

I don't know anyone who doesn't use google constantly =)

You have no need to feel bad for using google.

I've been using Linux for 8 or so years and I google a lot of stuff that I'm trying to figure out or learn.

I'm sure that even Linus Trovalds (the creater of Linux (note, I said Linux, which specially means the kernel)) uses google constantly =)

 

[Hyperblaze]

By the way, if you ever want to install or update any software out there which is part of a linux distrobution, try the update feature. Usually included in all linux distros that I've used so far.

Just different ways to access them.

It takes care of all the dependancies for you =)

For several distros, red-carpet works wonders.

I used to use that a lot till Novell bought out Ximian and now they won't update their support to mandrake 10 :|

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Anubis
mandrake & red Hat - linux for idiots

IMO you should use Slackware

Mandrake is a PITA. w/ debian distros, I can do most anything, though I'm still n00bish enough to need to be googling all the time for anything

I don't know a non-developer admin that doesn't use google constantly.

I don't know anyone who doesn't use google constantly =)

You have no need to feel bad for using google.

I've been using Linux for 8 or so years and I google a lot of stuff that I'm trying to figure out or learn.

I'm sure that even Linus Trovalds (the creater of Linux (note, I said Linux, which specially means the kernel)) uses google constantly =)

My mom refuses to use anything but the broken MSN search engine.

But yeah, your general point is what I meant. I just don't know many developers.

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Anubis
mandrake & red Hat - linux for idiots

IMO you should use Slackware

Mandrake is a PITA. w/ debian distros, I can do most anything, though I'm still n00bish enough to need to be googling all the time for anything

I don't know a non-developer admin that doesn't use google constantly.

I don't know anyone who doesn't use google constantly =)

You have no need to feel bad for using google.

I've been using Linux for 8 or so years and I google a lot of stuff that I'm trying to figure out or learn.

I'm sure that even Linus Trovalds (the creater of Linux (note, I said Linux, which specially means the kernel)) uses google constantly =)

My mom refuses to use anything but the broken MSN search engine.

But yeah, your general point is what I meant. I just don't know many developers.

Make her see the light?

As for the developers, it would actually be quite an interesting survey to conduct on mailing lists.
That is if they took the time to reply. I'm sure that lots of them use google. I just don't want to annoy any developers from their work =)

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Anubis
mandrake & red Hat - linux for idiots

IMO you should use Slackware

Mandrake is a PITA. w/ debian distros, I can do most anything, though I'm still n00bish enough to need to be googling all the time for anything

I don't know a non-developer admin that doesn't use google constantly.

I don't know anyone who doesn't use google constantly =)

You have no need to feel bad for using google.

I've been using Linux for 8 or so years and I google a lot of stuff that I'm trying to figure out or learn.

I'm sure that even Linus Trovalds (the creater of Linux (note, I said Linux, which specially means the kernel)) uses google constantly =)

My mom refuses to use anything but the broken MSN search engine.

But yeah, your general point is what I meant. I just don't know many developers.

Make her see the light?

As for the developers, it would actually be quite an interesting survey to conduct on mailing lists.
That is if they took the time to reply. I'm sure that lots of them use google. I just don't want to annoy any developers from their work =)

I've tried to convince my mom to use google. She refuses. I just don't think she knows how (it can take a special talent sometimes ).

The developers I do know use google. But asking on the list might be seen as OT, and OpenBSD lists are generally quite unforgiving. Most of the developers I see active on the list have mentioned google atleast once though. I think that's a good sign.

Google is a necessary part of internet life these days...

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Anubis
mandrake & red Hat - linux for idiots

IMO you should use Slackware

Mandrake is a PITA. w/ debian distros, I can do most anything, though I'm still n00bish enough to need to be googling all the time for anything

I don't know a non-developer admin that doesn't use google constantly.

I don't know anyone who doesn't use google constantly =)

You have no need to feel bad for using google.

I've been using Linux for 8 or so years and I google a lot of stuff that I'm trying to figure out or learn.

I'm sure that even Linus Trovalds (the creater of Linux (note, I said Linux, which specially means the kernel)) uses google constantly =)

My mom refuses to use anything but the broken MSN search engine.

But yeah, your general point is what I meant. I just don't know many developers.

Make her see the light?

As for the developers, it would actually be quite an interesting survey to conduct on mailing lists.
That is if they took the time to reply. I'm sure that lots of them use google. I just don't want to annoy any developers from their work =)

I've tried to convince my mom to use google. She refuses. I just don't think she knows how (it can take a special talent sometimes ).

The developers I do know use google. But asking on the list might be seen as OT, and OpenBSD lists are generally quite unforgiving. Most of the developers I see active on the list have mentioned google atleast once though. I think that's a good sign.

Google is a necessary part of internet life these days...

I know this is cruel...but you could set it up as her homepage =)

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Anubis
mandrake & red Hat - linux for idiots

IMO you should use Slackware

Mandrake is a PITA. w/ debian distros, I can do most anything, though I'm still n00bish enough to need to be googling all the time for anything

I don't know a non-developer admin that doesn't use google constantly.

I don't know anyone who doesn't use google constantly =)

You have no need to feel bad for using google.

I've been using Linux for 8 or so years and I google a lot of stuff that I'm trying to figure out or learn.

I'm sure that even Linus Trovalds (the creater of Linux (note, I said Linux, which specially means the kernel)) uses google constantly =)

My mom refuses to use anything but the broken MSN search engine.

But yeah, your general point is what I meant. I just don't know many developers.

Make her see the light?

As for the developers, it would actually be quite an interesting survey to conduct on mailing lists.
That is if they took the time to reply. I'm sure that lots of them use google. I just don't want to annoy any developers from their work =)

I've tried to convince my mom to use google. She refuses. I just don't think she knows how (it can take a special talent sometimes ).

The developers I do know use google. But asking on the list might be seen as OT, and OpenBSD lists are generally quite unforgiving. Most of the developers I see active on the list have mentioned google atleast once though. I think that's a good sign.

Google is a necessary part of internet life these days...

I know this is cruel...but you could set it up as her homepage =)

The spyware would fight back.

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Anubis
mandrake & red Hat - linux for idiots

IMO you should use Slackware

Mandrake is a PITA. w/ debian distros, I can do most anything, though I'm still n00bish enough to need to be googling all the time for anything

I don't know a non-developer admin that doesn't use google constantly.

I don't know anyone who doesn't use google constantly =)

You have no need to feel bad for using google.

I've been using Linux for 8 or so years and I google a lot of stuff that I'm trying to figure out or learn.

I'm sure that even Linus Trovalds (the creater of Linux (note, I said Linux, which specially means the kernel)) uses google constantly =)

My mom refuses to use anything but the broken MSN search engine.

But yeah, your general point is what I meant. I just don't know many developers.

Make her see the light?

As for the developers, it would actually be quite an interesting survey to conduct on mailing lists.
That is if they took the time to reply. I'm sure that lots of them use google. I just don't want to annoy any developers from their work =)

I've tried to convince my mom to use google. She refuses. I just don't think she knows how (it can take a special talent sometimes ).

The developers I do know use google. But asking on the list might be seen as OT, and OpenBSD lists are generally quite unforgiving. Most of the developers I see active on the list have mentioned google atleast once though. I think that's a good sign.

Google is a necessary part of internet life these days...

I know this is cruel...but you could set it up as her homepage =)

The spyware would fight back.

spyware in bsd?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Anubis
mandrake & red Hat - linux for idiots

IMO you should use Slackware

Mandrake is a PITA. w/ debian distros, I can do most anything, though I'm still n00bish enough to need to be googling all the time for anything

I don't know a non-developer admin that doesn't use google constantly.

I don't know anyone who doesn't use google constantly =)

You have no need to feel bad for using google.

I've been using Linux for 8 or so years and I google a lot of stuff that I'm trying to figure out or learn.

I'm sure that even Linus Trovalds (the creater of Linux (note, I said Linux, which specially means the kernel)) uses google constantly =)

My mom refuses to use anything but the broken MSN search engine.

But yeah, your general point is what I meant. I just don't know many developers.

Make her see the light?

As for the developers, it would actually be quite an interesting survey to conduct on mailing lists.
That is if they took the time to reply. I'm sure that lots of them use google. I just don't want to annoy any developers from their work =)

I've tried to convince my mom to use google. She refuses. I just don't think she knows how (it can take a special talent sometimes ).

The developers I do know use google. But asking on the list might be seen as OT, and OpenBSD lists are generally quite unforgiving. Most of the developers I see active on the list have mentioned google atleast once though. I think that's a good sign.

Google is a necessary part of internet life these days...

I know this is cruel...but you could set it up as her homepage =)

The spyware would fight back.

spyware in bsd?

My mom doesn't use BSD.

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Anubis
mandrake & red Hat - linux for idiots

IMO you should use Slackware

Mandrake is a PITA. w/ debian distros, I can do most anything, though I'm still n00bish enough to need to be googling all the time for anything

I don't know a non-developer admin that doesn't use google constantly.

I don't know anyone who doesn't use google constantly =)

You have no need to feel bad for using google.

I've been using Linux for 8 or so years and I google a lot of stuff that I'm trying to figure out or learn.

I'm sure that even Linus Trovalds (the creater of Linux (note, I said Linux, which specially means the kernel)) uses google constantly =)

My mom refuses to use anything but the broken MSN search engine.

But yeah, your general point is what I meant. I just don't know many developers.

Make her see the light?

As for the developers, it would actually be quite an interesting survey to conduct on mailing lists.
That is if they took the time to reply. I'm sure that lots of them use google. I just don't want to annoy any developers from their work =)

I've tried to convince my mom to use google. She refuses. I just don't think she knows how (it can take a special talent sometimes ).

The developers I do know use google. But asking on the list might be seen as OT, and OpenBSD lists are generally quite unforgiving. Most of the developers I see active on the list have mentioned google atleast once though. I think that's a good sign.

Google is a necessary part of internet life these days...

I know this is cruel...but you could set it up as her homepage =)

The spyware would fight back.

spyware in bsd?

My mom doesn't use BSD.

It was more or less of a joke.

A lot of unix users tend to try to convert or migrate their parents over to Linux or Unix.

That's why I said that =)

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Jero

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Anubis
mandrake & red Hat - linux for idiots

IMO you should use Slackware

Mandrake is a PITA. w/ debian distros, I can do most anything, though I'm still n00bish enough to need to be googling all the time for anything

I don't know a non-developer admin that doesn't use google constantly.

I don't know anyone who doesn't use google constantly =)

You have no need to feel bad for using google.

I've been using Linux for 8 or so years and I google a lot of stuff that I'm trying to figure out or learn.

I'm sure that even Linus Trovalds (the creater of Linux (note, I said Linux, which specially means the kernel)) uses google constantly =)

My mom refuses to use anything but the broken MSN search engine.

But yeah, your general point is what I meant. I just don't know many developers.

Make her see the light?

As for the developers, it would actually be quite an interesting survey to conduct on mailing lists.
That is if they took the time to reply. I'm sure that lots of them use google. I just don't want to annoy any developers from their work =)

I've tried to convince my mom to use google. She refuses. I just don't think she knows how (it can take a special talent sometimes ).

The developers I do know use google. But asking on the list might be seen as OT, and OpenBSD lists are generally quite unforgiving. Most of the developers I see active on the list have mentioned google atleast once though. I think that's a good sign.

Google is a necessary part of internet life these days...

I know this is cruel...but you could set it up as her homepage =)

The spyware would fight back.

spyware in bsd?

My mom doesn't use BSD.

It was more or less of a joke.

A lot of unix users tend to try to convert or migrate their parents over to Linux or Unix.

That's why I said that =)

BSD is great for moms. Just not my mom. I don't want to support Yet Another Newbie. I've got enough of them here that don't use google correctly.

<-very tired, humor module isn;t loading.

 

[Zebo]

Unix/linux is just to geeky but for the harderned of geeks and germans and french who don't want to buy our products. I never see above 5%.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
Trial by fire!

If you want to, you'll get it.

Plus elite attitudes like this

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Unix/linux is just to geeky but for the harderned of geeks and germans and french who don't want to buy our products. I never see above 5%.

As far as software goes, the US government holds Americans back.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
Trial by fire!

If you want to, you'll get it.

Plus elite attitudes like this

He's not elitist IMO. Me on the other hand...

 

[GTaudiophile]

I use Gentoo. It has much better package management...easier to install programs and their dependent programs.

I don't use my Linux box for much: I run Samba such that I can use it as a file server for three other Windows machines in my house, and I do run Apache, but that's not too useful since my home connection does not have a static connection.

But I love doing stuff like I did last night: sitting on my couch, watching "Man on Fire", using my laptop's wireless connection to SSH with Putty into my Linux box and used the WGET command to grab a bunch of TopGear vids. Good stuff!

I can't say I've grasped the full potential of Linux or Gentoo. I just followed the help docs to the letter, got the machine set up to do what I wanted it to do, and it just does its thing for months on end. I know how to add and delete user accounts, set up Samba and Apache, SSL for Apache, and I figured out what "holes" to plug such that you can only log into the machine via SSH.


Edit: Before Gentoo, I used Slackware. I think I learned a bit about Linux installing and configuring Slack...getting Xwindows to work, etc.

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: TwiceOver
I have been working with computers for quite a while and at times I enjoy a challenge. However every single time I try to mess with it I get frustrated. My main frustration is that everything seems to have a dependancy. Another frustration is that every help document on the web seems to be written by guys that know what they are doing and don't want you to. Its like a club, and the only way to get in is to figure it out for yourself.

I spent 5 hours earlier today trying to get Kopete to work with no luck, it's dependant on one program that I found is dependant on two others.

Lost, don't know if I'll continue with this. My hat is off to those of you that work with it all the time.

Regarding dependencies ... tools exist to help you work this out. RPM (if you're on an RPM based distro) will at least tell you what you need ... google/rpmfind/freshrpms/freshmeat/etc. will help you find it. Beyond that, there is apt-get and up2date and other similar tools to help you deal with dependencies.

Regarding the documentation ... that's just the learning curve. It's steep, and made steeper by having to unlearn the windows way of doing things. It was steep on windows also, but that's likely what you learned with, so you didn't see it as clearly.

And finally, if you can't get something to work, there are plenty of resources out there to help you ... newsgroups, forums, mailing lists, the developers themselves. For the most part, I've found the Linux community very helpful, friendly and accesible. There are exceptions of course.

And if it still doesn't work, look for something else. There are generally several projects with the same basic goal or capability. If I'm looking for some new tool or program, I ussually go to freshmeat, and download the top few, and try them all out until I find one I like.

 

[SinNisTeR]

*nix pwns windows. there i said it. ahh that feels better.