Why can Osama produce videos during the presidential election and not now?

[CellarDoor]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
The possiblitly that he was producing the vids in order to influence the election (by showing a percieved weakness in the US abilities to catch him) would never be a reason.

What influence would that have on our elections? Who/which member would it help?

Many in the US and world felt that a weakness of Bush was that he could not get OBL and should not have turned toward Iraq. Kerry was one that was implying the OBL should have been the priority.

By exposing Bush's weakness in performing this object (essientaly thumbing his nose at Bush & US) via the vids, OBL may have been attempting to encouraging the removal of Bush and putting in place Kerry and the Dems (who were acting more like Doves). He was trying to show weakness in the admin. Similar to what was happening with Carter/Iran

Bush's initiatives were making it more difficult for OBL's people to move around; remove/weaken those policies through a change of admin could benefit OBL.

If OBL knew of Bush's weaknesses in catching him, why would OBL want to encourage the United States to elect Kerry who was more focused on catching him?

I think the effect of the video before the election was that it made undecideds believe in the "Don't change horses midstream" idea. Obviously that seems ridiculous to me, but I tend to believe that as a result the OBL video helped Bush.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: mribnik1

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
The possiblitly that he was producing the vids in order to influence the election (by showing a percieved weakness in the US abilities to catch him) would never be a reason.

What influence would that have on our elections? Who/which member would it help?

Many in the US and world felt that a weakness of Bush was that he could not get OBL and should not have turned toward Iraq. Kerry was one that was implying the OBL should have been the priority.

By exposing Bush's weakness in performing this object (essientaly thumbing his nose at Bush & US) via the vids, OBL may have been attempting to encouraging the removal of Bush and putting in place Kerry and the Dems (who were acting more like Doves). He was trying to show weakness in the admin. Similar to what was happening with Carter/Iran

Bush's initiatives were making it more difficult for OBL's people to move around; remove/weaken those policies through a change of admin could benefit OBL.

If OBL knew of Bush's weaknesses in catching him, why would OBL want to encourage the United States to elect Kerry who was more focused on catching him?

I think the effect of the video before the election was that it made undecideds believe in the "Don't change horses midstream" idea. Obviously that seems ridiculous to me, but I tend to believe that as a result the OBL video helped Bush.

Many believe as you do that the videos helped with the undecided in reminding people that we were at was with OBL. America does not normally change party leadership during conflict (VietNam was an exception - possibly as a punishment to the Dem dove).

OBL may have been trying to show how weak Bush was and encourage people to then dump him for Kerry.

Remember that Kerry went to Paris to try and weaken the US position to terminate hostilities. OBL viewed Kerry as a pure dove?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
The possiblitly that he was producing the vids in order to influence the election (by showing a percieved weakness in the US abilities to catch him) would never be a reason.

What influence would that have on our elections? Who/which member would it help?

Anyhow.. I am actually interested to know if anyone else finds anything strange or odd about timing of Osama news...

If Osama was attempting to derail Bush with the timing of his video, it sure backfired on him. It seems odd that he would try and hurt Bush's chances of being re-elected since Bush had already said he didn't care about Osama. If Osama wants to do more terrorist attacks on the USA, then he would want a President who wasn't focused on catching him.

I too find it odd, even troubling that we haven't anything heard from him. All he has to do is make a VHS tape and mail copies to several TV stations. He did it just before the elections, why not now?


Hmmmmmm

 

[Steeplerot]

I do not see why he needs to gloat any further in public, he accomplished what he set out to do.

Fear america into doing something stupid like reelect bush and bankrupt us with unessasary warmongering.

 

[phillyTIM]

great question, dahunan - i guess this just shows that this likely was pulled off by Bush's regime to scare us into voting for them; funny how we haven't had a single terror alert since then, other than some farm plane flying close to the white house...even that was only an alert for like an hour or two.

bush's regime of puppet strings strike again!

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
great question, dahunan - i guess this just shows that this likely was pulled off by Bush's regime to scare us into voting for them; funny how we haven't had a single terror alert since then, other than some farm plane flying close to the white house...even that was only an alert for like an hour or two.

bush's regime of puppet strings strike again!

Have any of the conspiricy theorists shown that the vids being released are from the Bush camp?

 

[phillyTIM]

they are all over the World, especially in the middle east - that is the Bush area of infestation.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Do you believe Osama being alive and well is a 'boost' to Bush's popularity? To me, it brings the failure to apprehend the claimed orchestrator of 9/11 to light.

Its odd, you'd think it would work against Bush but it doesn't. Maybe it brings back associations of Bush being the "hero" of September 11. I was surprised that the Bin Laden tape prior to the election didn't put Kerry over the top. After all, weren't we supposed to "get" Bin Laden? But Kerry's horrible campaign team dropped that opportunity like everything else.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
they are all over the World, especially in the middle east - that is the Bush area of infestation.

You ducked the question.

 

[phillyTIM]

and you twisted and spun this to what you wanted to hear

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: dahunan
nobody has any idea how to answer the original question?

There's an idea that's quite simple... something that you obviously cannot ascertain within your Bush-hating little box.

An important goal of OBL and AQ is to INFLUENCE. Election time is prime time to "get the message out" as also evidenced by similar recordings during elections in other countries as well.

No wonder you people can't win elections.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: yllus
So...

1) Osama is working with Bush, but nobody knows about it or can prove it
2) Osama and Bush are enemies, but Osama's people are really Bush's people and release videos when he needs the boost
3) Osama and Bush are enemies, and Osama's people try to release the videos but Bush's stranglehold over the media and Internet is just that good
4) Osama is captured and they force him to make videos when Bush needs one
5) Osama is dead and they use CGI to make fake videos when Bush needs one

Which one are you implying?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: yllus
So...

1) Osama is working with Bush, but nobody knows about it or can prove it
2) Osama and Bush are enemies, but Osama's people are really Bush's people and release videos when he needs the boost
3) Osama and Bush are enemies, and Osama's people try to release the videos but Bush's stranglehold over the media and Internet is just that good
4) Osama is captured and they force him to make videos when Bush needs one
5) Osama is dead and they use CGI to make fake videos when Bush needs one

Which one are you implying?

You forgot one:

6) Osama is safe as long as Bush is President so Osama does what he can to keep Bush President.

 

[phillyTIM]

EXACTLY, 1EZduzit - EXACTLY. Such a sad time for our Country.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Topic Title: Why can Osama produce videos during the presidential election and not now?
Topic Summary: oh.. and when the approval numbers drop to the lowest ever he coincidentally appears in the news again?

Amazing isn't it :laugh:

 

[beyoku]

hmm, they normally declare a terror warning based on ZERO - to get his approval ratings higher.