Why Barack Obama Is Winning

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zinfamous

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
Is it just too cynical of me to believe that the reason he is winning is that he has more money to spend on advertising and like the good little consumer drones that they are, Americans are drawn to the flashiest ads?
Dude really, have you seen Palin's interviews?
Have you seen Biden's?? No, because the media is hiding all his stupid ass comments.

Even Dan Rather pointed out the media hypocrisy on that one. Dan Rather!!!!

*Loud, sucking noise of vacuum* *hard-ons colliding* ....we must be venturing perilously close to Prof John's voluminous gas-bag.





dude...seriously....you're trying to compare Biden to Palin?

.....dude. .....

Crack: it Kills.
please take care of yourself.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
He's not far ahead?

www.fivethirtyeight.com

Obama is WAY ahead. Do your research.

He is...but what's the error....the "Brown Factor?"
--which takes into account the significant number of un-polled, non-educated "racists?"

This class tends not to participate in polls, and when they do, more often than not choose to fudge their answers so as not to appear racist (I don't know...paranoid the gub-ment is reading their votes?) thus their opinion is rarely factored into the overall national polls. I think the margin of error is ~6%, and must be calculated into any minority candidate's numbers.

sounds crazy and it sucks, but it's an officially accepted significant statistic these days.....

(named after former SF mayor Willie Brown, I believe, when he lost a closely contested election that polls predicted would be a landslide for him....)
 

seemingly random

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He is undoubtedly as ego-driven as everyone else seeking the highest office ? perhaps more so, given his race, his name and his lack of experience. But he has not been childishly egomaniacal, in contrast to our recent baby-boomer Presidents ? or petulant, in contrast to his opponent. He does not seem needy. He seems a grown-up, in a nation that badly needs some adult supervision.
Nice summary.

My new name for john mccain: petula mccain.
 

Onceler

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Originally posted by: zoiks
And the reason he's getting a lot of grief is because he black plain and simple. If he were to be white, I bet this would be a landslide.

Thats untrue if anything more people are voting for him because they think it is time to have a black president young people especially
 

zoiks

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Originally posted by: Onceler
Originally posted by: zoiks
And the reason he's getting a lot of grief is because he black plain and simple. If he were to be white, I bet this would be a landslide.

Thats untrue if anything more people are voting for him because they think it is time to have a black president young people especially

Not really. I think most people are voting for him because..

a. 8 years of hell is enough. The country is suffering.
b. The contenders from the other party pretty much suck.

It's pretty been an uphill battle for Obama. If he were white, there really would be no contest.
 

eleison

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Originally posted by: zoiks

a. 8 years of hell is enough. The country is suffering.
.

8 years of hell? IMHO, with Barrack's "sharing of the wealth" plan, the past 8 years will be nothing compared to the next 4.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: zoiks

a. 8 years of hell is enough. The country is suffering.
.

8 years of hell? IMHO, with Barrack's "sharing of the wealth" plan, the past 8 years will be nothing compared to the next 4.



That's kinda the point in the Change Message.
 

StageLeft

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Obama is winning because he is presenting himself better than McCain, he is not a Republican after 8 years of Bush, and Palin isn't his running mate. Those are the three main reasons. I think Palin has been the largest source of lost support for McCain, if we had to pick a single source. It's become now so accepted that she's incompetent that people act surprised when you express any other view of her. That is murdering his polling.
 

eleison

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: zoiks

a. 8 years of hell is enough. The country is suffering.
.

8 years of hell? IMHO, with Barrack's "sharing of the wealth" plan, the past 8 years will be nothing compared to the next 4.



That's kinda the point in the Change Message.

Yes, I expect a change for the worse -- a deep and long recession. The people who get hurt the most, wouldn't be the "well to do", but Obama's base -- the poor.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: Butterbean
but BO has yet to produce a birth certificate.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfa...te_been_disclosed.html


gg no re
Photoshopped. Until I'm literally holding it IN MY HANDS and I have the top 10 document forensic specialists in the country to tell me beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's legitimate AND proof that a GPS tag was implanted in him when he was born and has never come out since and we have 40+ years of data on his whereabouts at all times I will maintain that they are forgeries and he wasn't born in the US.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: zoiks

a. 8 years of hell is enough. The country is suffering.
.

8 years of hell? IMHO, with Barrack's "sharing of the wealth" plan, the past 8 years will be nothing compared to the next 4.



That's kinda the point in the Change Message.

Yes, I expect a change for the worse -- a deep and long recession. The people who get hurt the most, wouldn't be the "well to do", but Obama's base -- the poor.

Hey, the man thinks he is Ronald Reagan. Let him prove it.

Democratic Presidents have made it a habit of dumping a recession onto their successors and then whining about it. Well, payback sucks.
 

daniel49

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
Is it just too cynical of me to believe that the reason he is winning is that he has more money to spend on advertising and like the good little consumer drones that they are, Americans are drawn to the flashiest ads?
Dude really, have you seen Palin's interviews?

Have you seen Bidens...lol
try harder Red
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
Is it just too cynical of me to believe that the reason he is winning is that he has more money to spend on advertising and like the good little consumer drones that they are, Americans are drawn to the flashiest ads?
Dude really, have you seen Palin's interviews?

Have you seen Bidens...lol
try harder Red
Yeah he's not an ignorant air head like Palin is.
 

evident

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: Butterbean
but BO has yet to produce a birth certificate.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfa...te_been_disclosed.html


gg no re
Photoshopped. Until I'm literally holding it IN MY HANDS and I have the top 10 document forensic specialists in the country to tell me beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's legitimate AND proof that a GPS tag was implanted in him when he was born and has never come out since and we have 40+ years of data on his whereabouts at all times I will maintain that they are forgeries and he wasn't born in the US.

true. and also factcheck is a f*ckging liburul biased website too!!!
 

SecPro

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: SecPro
Although the part about his conversation with Gen. Petraeus was interesting (and a bit scary) the rest of it read like the usual Obama fluff piece. Joe Klein has done a lot better.

How was his conversation with the General "scary"?

Maybe scary isn't the right word but since since he doesn't have any experince or knowledge about national secuirty, foreign policy or fighting a war I'm not sure what the "spirited coversation" was about. If he is as smart as his cult thinks he is he should have listened to what Petraeus had to say, tried to ask intelligent questions and thanked the General for the lesson when he was done. Gen. Petraeus is a professional soldier, he understands full well he serves at the pleasure of the President, any President, that the civilian .gov controls the military. There was no need for BO to "lay down his marker".

the very last thing the military needs is another clueless CnC who thinks he knows more than he does and tries to micromange the .mil.
 

db

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Some people talk about Obama not having experience, and McCain having experience, therefore Obama is supposedly not qualified.
McCain is the only person who thinks Georgia's president Saakashvili is a great leader. He's not. He started the invasion on South Osetia, which is about the oil pipeline. McCain was a funBoi in the military, getting out of constant jams b/c his father's name. And a lousy pilot. He has experience in the Congress and is one of the Keating Five.
McCain is aligned with the typical big business and neocon players. Where's the advantage to McCain and how is he not more of the Bush way of doing things? A person would have to be stoopid to vote for more of what we've had for the last 8 years.

 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: SecPro
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: SecPro
Although the part about his conversation with Gen. Petraeus was interesting (and a bit scary) the rest of it read like the usual Obama fluff piece. Joe Klein has done a lot better.

How was his conversation with the General "scary"?

Maybe scary isn't the right word but since since he doesn't have any experince or knowledge about national secuirty, foreign policy or fighting a war I'm not sure what the "spirited coversation" was about. If he is as smart as his cult thinks he is he should have listened to what Petraeus had to say, tried to ask intelligent questions and thanked the General for the lesson when he was done. Gen. Petraeus is a professional soldier, he understands full well he serves at the pleasure of the President, any President, that the civilian .gov controls the military. There was no need for BO to "lay down his marker".

the very last thing the military needs is another clueless CnC who thinks he knows more than he does and tries to micromange the .mil.

It's difficult to be commander in chief if you take your instructions from a General, no matter how smart he might be. Obama isn't micromanaging the military when he has his own views on the broader picture of national security, and I would be EXTREMELY disturbed if he substituted Petraeus' judgement for his own. Obama might not have military experience, but Petraeus is limited by his view as a military commander in particular area, and I'm not voting for HIM as commander in chief. The only way Obama is going to become more knowledgeable about national security issues is to discuss those issues with people who know what they are talking about.

Smiling and nodding might be more palatable from your point of view, showing appropriate deference to the great General Petraeus and all that, but from a potential future commander in chief, that's not really what I want to see. There is a REASON we have the civilian government in charge of the military, and it's because someone like Petraeus, as good as he is, should NOT be the on making the final decision on the big picture.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: zoiks
And the reason he's getting a lot of grief is because he black plain and simple. If he were to be white, I bet this would be a landslide.
If he was white it would be a Hillary landslide you mean.
 

Starbuck1975

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And the reason he's getting a lot of grief is because he black plain and simple. If he were to be white, I bet this would be a landslide.
What grief is he getting...the media has had an endless love affair with Obama since he took Iowa...if Obama was white, he would be Howard Dean, and his campaign would have fallen to Hillary the same as all the other white Democrat candidates.

All of the political conditions favorable to Obama were also favorable to Kerry...how did being white work out for the Senator from MA?

I really don't understand why people insist on injecting race into every discussion about Obama...sure there are people who will refuse to vote for Obama because of his race...there are apparently more people supporting Obama because of his race.
 

Skyclad1uhm1

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I'm wondering what endorsement could still save McCain. Whether it would be Hillary endorsing McCain, or Bush endorsing Obama :D
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: DixyCrat
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Dude really, have you seen Palin's interviews?

Have you seen Bidens...lol
try harder Red
Yeah he's not an ignorant air head like Palin is.

Nope just a fear-mongering crack pot.
According to you but then you'd know having been a follower of the Party of Fear Mongering Crackpots AKA the Republican Party