Why aren't people waiting for socket 2011?

[greenhawk]

I'm another waiting to see how 2011 goes. Party as it appears the better choice, and partly as I see it adding a bit more future profing.

I told myself previously I would avoid server grade gear after my last system (dual operton) just stopped working (suspect motherboard) but that is due to the stupid replacement costs for a motherboard that was not cheap to start with / obsolete now.

Current Q6600 has been going well for about 3.5 years and is showing it's age in some programs. A video card upgrade did not cut the mustard, espicially as most of the games I looked forward to are more console ports with low hardware requirements. The PC games though still want more grunt than I have on offer (large stratey games / late game).

So while I want the 2011 (to see what the quad channel is like), the example of the s1366 vs s1156 was similar in most things, the extra memory channel did make a little difference in the tasks I do so worth a little more, just not for the asking difference. The higher ram speeds as well should remove that particular bottle neck for a LONG time. The numbers make it appear that it will be a long time at least for the average user's dual channel to get into the same ball park as the SB-E's, but just how much that counts for is still to be seen.

Ofcourse, I am also wanting to see something about BD and IB about that same time to see if the extra costs for a SB-E system is worth it.

Inital indications for SB-E costs are so-so. ($300,$600 and $1000). The limitied cheap option is attractive, espically if the talk of being limited to 6 (?) speed bins over turbo, but that only counts for something if SB-E overclocks equally to SB, otherwise the $600 is a contender, but $300 extra for an extra 2 cores, slower stock speed and a unlocked multiplier is a steep ask without knowing it's overclocking potentual.

Time will tell, and only having my current computer die will force a early decision.

 

[pcunite]

Current Q6600 has been going well for about 3.5 years and is showing it's age in some programs. A video card upgrade did not cut the mustard, espicially as most of the games I looked forward to are more console ports with low hardware requirements. The PC games though still want more grunt than I have on offer (large stratey games / late game).

I've been real pleased with mine. What programs are less responsive? Just games?

 

[VirtualLarry]

I've been going in the opposite direction. Instead of bigger, faster, more powerful, I've been headed into the cheaper, smaller, low-power direction.

Not Atom (Blech), but Zacate, and maybe LLano.

I built a Zacate E-350 rig a few days ago, and now I'm thinking of replacing my Q9300 Core2Quad desktop with another Zacate rig. I don't really game anymore. All I do is F@H on the GPU, and that's not essential.

 

[RobDickinson]

I needed to upgrade now but even so 2011 doesnt offer me anything I really need yet costs a bundle more.

So why wait?

 

[aphelion02]

Here's the way I see it. With 1155 you pay $220-$300 for a CPU that will be king of the hill for 9 months. If you wait until 2011 you pay $400 minimum to be king for....4 months until Ivy Bridge comes out and crushes it for less cost. Add to the fact that the 1155 people get a quicker upgrade path to Ivy Bridge, its a no brainer.

 

[greenhawk]

I've been real pleased with mine. What programs are less responsive? Just games?

just games maimly. large number of ai and large maps make for a laggy "end turn" period.

A co-worker recently went q6600->2500K and says it is worth it, but he also went from a v'raptor to a SSD and o'c to 4.7Ghz, but I'm already on SSD so a bit hard to take his feedback at face value.

 

[aphelion02]

I just went from a q6600 to a 2600k and tbh I don't see that great of a difference normally. I only really did it because it was a great deal that wouldn't be available to me after this year.

 

[StrangerGuy]

I just went from a q6600 to a 2600k and tbh I don't see that great of a difference normally. I only really did it because it was a great deal that wouldn't be available to me after this year.

I went from a X2 555 @ 3.8GHz to a 2500k @ 4.4GHz. No difference in 400 vs 400 supply custom map in SC2 Ultra and surprisingly WoW Cata is limited by my 5770 contrary to my expectations.

 

[Vette73]

I went from a X2 555 @ 3.8GHz to a 2500k @ 4.4GHz. No difference in 400 vs 400 supply custom map in SC2 Ultra and surprisingly WoW Cata is limited by my 5770 contrary to my expectations.

Thats the problem. People see all these syn benchmarks or played out test and think their system must be crap.

But unless you are really hitting your limits of your system you will probable not notice much differance.

I am still using my 775 dual core system.

I bet a SSD would give me and most others a bigger change then a new cpu.

 

[aphelion02]

I went from a X2 555 @ 3.8GHz to a 2500k @ 4.4GHz. No difference in 400 vs 400 supply custom map in SC2 Ultra and surprisingly WoW Cata is limited by my 5770 contrary to my expectations.

Actually, SC2 is one of the situations I did see a difference in. Try playing one of those constant unit spawn games like Nexus Wars - you will have thousands of supply worth of units on the map in end game, and the 2600k really beat the q6600 there.

 

[aphelion02]

Thats the problem. People see all these syn benchmarks or played out test and think their system must be crap.

But unless you are really hitting your limits of your system you will probable not notice much differance.

I am still using my 775 dual core system.

I bet a SSD would give me and most others a bigger change then a new cpu.

Yes. I did the upgrade knowing what to expect. My q6600 + SSD was already very snappy, but I did the upgrade because I was getting a sweetheart employee discount that won't be available afterwards.

 

[Zap]

Need a really fast system NOW? Get socket 1155.

Regarding socket 2011, it is the HIGH END socket, so it may overlap 1155 a bit, but not by a huge amount. People who have a $400 CPU/mobo budget will NOT be in the market to cross-shop socket 2011.

 

[CraigRT]

Waiting is dumb.
My 2600K is awesome, my system is rock stable. Whats so strange about building a reasonable system right now for fairly cheap?

I'm happy.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Because 1155 is the fastest platform that doesn't cost an arm and a leg

Heck, its actually less expensive than any remotely comparable 1366 or 1156 setup

I'm running an Intel Q6600 system from 2007. Everything is instant with the SSD ... what more do you need?

a CPU that is more than twice as fast when it comes to true processor intensive tasks?

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/53?vs=287

cutting render times by more than half is a huge luxury if not necessity for those in the field

 

[samboy]

I'm passing 2011 based on what they did with 1366 and what I believe the future trend will be........

I was actually planning on jumping on board with the 6-core processor (32nm) for 1366 but was quite surprised at the price of the processor; with no cheaper option like the i920. I ended up passing on this "planned upgrade".

The problem is that Intel has no competition (other than itself) and if you want a Sandy Bridge with significantly more L2 Cache etc. than the 2600k then you will pay an arm and a leg for the processor and 2011 platform. I expect that the ~$300 processor will only be marginally better than the 2600k and in my mind not worth buying into the more expensive 2011 platform with the entry level processor. Intel is going to start differentiating models in different ways (other than clock speed) by offering different cache levels, cores, etc....... so the days of buying the entry level processor and overclocking to the top end speeds will still fall short of the true top end. Intel has learned from the i920..........

The additional PCIe lanes would not make any difference for what I do (one graphics card and plenty of I/O capacity for SSD's and extra disks on the 1155 platform).

The advantages for me would be:-

1. The extra memory slots (I would populate it with 32GB at current memory prices)
Quad Channel memory would probably only make a difference with > 4 cores for performance
2. Entry into a new class of processors that will be better than current 1155 Sandy Bridge
- This is where I don't trust Intel with their pricing. The 32nm pricing for 1366 sticks on my mind and I expect is a trend.

I purchased the 2600k + Asus MB for around $450 on the day it was released.
If I'm wrong about 2011 then I'll consider buying it and I would have already had almost 12 months use out of the 1155 machine.

More likely I may consider an Ivy Bridge drop in instead. If I can get a 30%+ performance boost by just replacing the processor then this would be attractive.

For me personally, I was already overdue on an upgrade (from an E6700 dual core) and Sandy Bridge was cheap enough that I can still consider 2011 and Ivy Bridge when it becomes available. I just don't expect 2011 to be a compelling proposition.

 

[mart21har]

Hi guys, i'm still on the lga1366 with my system.. and i see no reason to upgrade at all.. I'd love to see the socket 2011 come out and drop the prices so i can get the i7-980 for way cheaper then it is now.. Minus a few features, i'll have the same performance as the big boys.... Same thing with VGA cards.. did you see how sharply the GTX 480 fell in price point?

 

[bntran02]

I just built a new Sandy Bridge system a month ago and here is why I didn't wait for the newest hardware

Yes I could have waited and purchased the newest hardware but that comes with a price premium for features that really wont be utilized for a while longer.

There are many examples but i'll just give you one:
Who cares about PCIe 3.0. The additional lanes wont be used for years and that's only if you are running top end GPU's. Remember when PCIe 1.0 replaced AGP? APG stuck around for several years later. Heck, ECS released boards with both PCIe and AGP as well as DDR1 and DDR2 one bard. Some people were still using Legacy PCI video cards for low end systems. By the time it becomes mainstream everything will be cheap enough for another upgrade except this time all the bugs will have been sorted out.

 

[RobertPters77]

If BD fails then my next Cpu will be a Socket 2011 Octo-Core. Performance per Clock is key to me.

 

[Zap]

I'd love to see the socket 2011 come out and drop the prices so i can get the i7-980 for way cheaper then it is now..

You talking about the Extreme Edition 980X? I don't think a huge price drop will happen on it. Intel is really good at managing the market value of Extreme Edition CPUs.

 

[dbrons]

I've been waiting a long time already My C2D system is still pretty good but it does bog down working with video archives - unrar, repairing with par, coverting.

Plus there's new features I'm wanting to add and decided to do a whole new system. Kinda tired of My Antec p182, I don't really like the cooler and will be using a H60.
Oh and looking forward to new modular PS.
Dave

 

[Inspire]

After seeing what happend with BD, until I can buy a 2011 and know how well it performs, I can't worry about it.

If 2011 is 2x as fast as 1155, then I'll buy it

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Hi guys, i'm still on the lga1366 with my system.. and i see no reason to upgrade at all.. I'd love to see the socket 2011 come out and drop the prices so i can get the i7-980 for way cheaper then it is now.. Minus a few features, i'll have the same performance as the big boys.... Same thing with VGA cards.. did you see how sharply the GTX 480 fell in price point?

not going to happen, extreme edition CPUs just don't drop in price, the old quadcore i7 965X and 975X are still being sold for the same ~$1000+ retail price that the new sixcore 980X and 990X are priced at

your best bet is fumbling with a potential i7 970 deal but chances are those will be sold in enough quantity by LGA2011 that they won't be dropped in price again.

Besides, Intel doesn't want people holding on to old platforms, they'd much rather have them buying a new CPU and new motherboard

 

[Infrnl]

why wait, if you wait, you'll be waiting forever. Current systems are already doing great. 2011 will probably not be here till early next year.

you could always buy now, sell when you want to upgrade, build another system, etc.

Also 2011 will be a lot more expensive than SB is now.

I usually build every 6 months. and I run my systems for distributed computing; so I build new throughout the year no matter what and just make changes when the new products come Finally come.