Why aren't people waiting for socket 2011?

[LxMxFxD4]

I'm really surprised to see all these people building new systems with 1155. With 2011 only a few months off and promising (among other things) PCIexpress 3, native USB3, and high futurerpoofing, I am really at a loss. I know in the computer world "the next big thing" is always a few months off but.. USB3 and PCIexpress 3 are pretty significant. Is anyone else waiting for 2011 and looking forward to scoffing at these 1155 fools?

 

[Karaktu]

I'm really surprised to see all these people building new systems with 1155. With 2011 only a few months off and promising (among other things) PCIexpress 3, native USB3, and high futurerpoofing, I am really at a loss. I know in the computer world "the next big thing" is always a few months off but.. USB3 and PCIexpress 3 are pretty significant. Is anyone else waiting for 2011 and looking forward to scoffing at these 1155 fools?

2011 is here to stay, my friend.

2012, perhaps?

I think we're at a point where everything is already fast enough, and while PCI-E 3.0 will provide worthwhile in the future, high-end video cards are already CPU limited, so if you're in need of an upgrade, there's no reason not to do it now.

 

[Eos]

I built two weeks ago and USB3 and PCI-Ex3 aren't really things I needed. Couldn't wait for some future release, either.

 

[LxMxFxD4]

2011 is here to stay, my friend.

2012, perhaps?

I think we're at a point where everything is already fast enough, and while PCI-E 3.0 will provide worthwhile in the future, high-end video cards are already CPU limited, so if you're in need of an upgrade, there's no reason not to do it now.

High end graphics cards are cpu limited? Really? Have we returned to 1999? I wasn't aware.
What game are you playing? Crysis 2 only with directx 9? lol

Anyway, PCIexpress3, 10 sata ports and quad channel memory is of no use in the future huh?

 

[exdeath]

<- Waiting for socket 2011 to proceed with my past due complete from scratch build.

I was looking at building something now, but it really bugged me that I would have to do 12 GB ram max for triple channel instead of maxing out the slots with 16 GB (ram is so stupid cheap it would be a crime to do anything less). Then I heard 2011 supports quad channel RAM and that sealed the deal for me. And most of the current parts like GTX580, 1366, etc, being EOL already...

Hoping for 8 core CPUs and TRIM support for RAID0 SATA 3 SSDs. After all this is going to be my once every 5+ years splurge where I build a complete system new case and all, so it needs to be revolutionary. And with the way PC tech is right now, it could possibly be the last system I ever build, since finding things that even a cheap PC can't do these days is tough.

For a relative on the other hand looking to spend $1000 so WoW is playable (his current machine has 512 MB RAM), I'm going with 1155. As it is he's going to be completely blown away by multi core CPU, GTX560, 8 GB ram, SSD, all inside a box the size of a toaster

 

[Dark Shroud]

I couldn't wait anymore and I am glad I did not. I can easily swap out my CPU & Mobo with the new stuff.

 

[imported_mystro]

There's always new system builders and SB was a good reason to do one..it adds some very interesting powerful features which the X79/2011 will also incorporate so there's really no reason to wait if you need a new system plus the X79 will be considerably more spendy..now that's a good reason.

 

[Patrick Wolf]

Main reason is probably cost, most don't need SB-E performance. Besides IB brings PCIe/USB 3.0 so it's not like all the features of 2011 are exclusive. It will still be better, but a person has to wonder if it's really worth it. And who's to say a year after it launches we don't get IB-E, then suddenly X79 doesn't seem so hot... so much for future proofing.

 

[DaveSimmons]

> USB3 and PCIexpress 3 are pretty significant.

Current video cards don't need PCI-E 3 and motherboards already offer non-Intel USB 3. So if you want a new system now, those offer no advantages now.

Yes, in years there might be some GPU or more likely multi-GPU card that needs PCI-E 3, but you'll want a new CPU then too.

It sounds like you're falling into the "future proofing" trap, losing months of better performance now because you might use a feature in a few years.

 

[drizek]

$300 motherboard and $800 CPU.

If they were reasonably priced then I could wait for it, but I don't actually need the performance. You can get SB/BD basically as an impulse buy for a few hundred bucks to play around with overclocking.

I like to keep my computer cheap enough that I don't feel bad if I break it.

 

[pcunite]

I'm running an Intel Q6600 system from 2007. Everything is instant with the SSD ... what more do you need?

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Not everyone needs to have the latest and greatest no matter how good the stuff is. I use to be that way, I have learned since then. Staying behind in the tech usually means a good computer at better prices.

 

[gramboh]

$300 motherboard and $800 CPU.

This. If you are an average user/heavy gamer with a single display, what is the point of anything faster than SB overclocked? With a single video card, you aren't going to get much more performance with 2011. Not very many people are doing heavy computational work, large rendering projects etc. on their home computers.

If you are a gamer with Eyefinity/3+ high res displays and 3-4 GPUs, maybe it would matter (and the price would be justified). Personally, I'm waiting for Ivy Bridge, really tempted by SB but my Q6700 and 560 Ti overclocked are good enough for the games I play at 1920x1200. BF3, Skyrim, ME3, Witcher 2, new NFS etc. will change that I'm sure.

 

[bleucharm28]

I agree with most people here, im really happy with i7 920 oc'd at 4.2g. I really can't find any reason to upgrade. However , I am looking to build a 1155 mini itx gaming case. Unfortunately, only Zotac makes mini itx z68 boards. I hope other company's like asus, gigabyte, msi,... will make z68 mini itx board. It would be one badass gaming build.

 

[dac7nco]

I'm curious about LGA2011, but I'm getting burned-out re: computer hardware. I spent a lot (for me) for a Dual-1366 transcoding machine, and then Quicksync came along; A f__king 2500K churns out video at a similar speed to my 12 cores. I spent $600 on a motherboard and $1,200 in CPUs... for what? For a computer case almost as tall as my desk? I'm done, done, done.

Daimon

 

[Skott]

PCIe-3 may be the future but its not critical to have for most gamers. At least not yet. Hence they are buying and upgrading their systems now as needed. Maybe next year PCIe-3 will be the next big thing to have?

 

[Rifter]

I'm curious about LGA2011, but I'm getting burned-out re: computer hardware. I spent a lot (for me) for a Dual-1366 transcoding machine, and then Quicksync came along; A f__king 2500K churns out video at a similar speed to my 12 cores. I spent $600 on a motherboard and $1,200 in CPUs... for what? For a computer case almost as tall as my desk? I'm done, done, done.

Daimon

have you seen quicksync video? for portable devices on small screens its ok but the quality is fairly low and on large 1080P displays it shows. And from what i have seen you cant change the quality settings to make it better.


As to the OP im waiting for 2011, my 1366 system will hold me over to then. But thats because 2011 was supposed to be unlocked for overclocking as far as Bclock(FSB). So i was going to get a low end 2011 CPU and overclock the hell out of it(like i did with my 930). Lately there have been rumors this is not the case and if they push people to a $1000 K series 2011 CPU just to overclock i'll stick to my 1366 system till ivy hits and buy a K series ivy CPU.

 

[dac7nco]

have you seen quicksync video? for portable devices on small screens its ok but the quality is fairly low and on large 1080P displays it shows. And from what i have seen you cant change the quality settings to make it better.

No, I've never actually used Quicksync myself. From Anand's review I'd gotten the impression that it was "The Only Way To Transcode". I have twelve Westmere cores outputting ~12MB/s 1080p using Handbrake, which at 10 to 20 titles apiece in the queue takes quite awhile, and pulls 370W from the wall doing nothing else.

You may have cheered me up a little.

Daimon

 

[StrangerGuy]

No one cares about PCIE 3.0.

Even basic S1155 boards comes with onboard USB3.0.

With the money spent on LGA2011 CPU and mobo, a gamer can get a 2500K + mobo + high-end video card which is a much more sensible choice.

 

[frowertr]

No, I've never actually used Quicksync myself. From Anand's review I'd gotten the impression that it was "The Only Way To Transcode". I have twelve Westmere cores outputting ~12MB/s 1080p using Handbrake, which at 10 to 20 titles apiece in the queue takes quite awhile, and pulls 370W from the wall doing nothing else.

You may have cheered me up a little.

Daimon

Unless something has drastically changed, Handbrake does not support Quicksync at all. So a SB based processor won't give you any better performance in Handbrake than your current setup.

 

[dac7nco]

Unless something has drastically changed, Handbrake does not support Quicksync at all. So a SB based processor won't give you any better performance in Handbrake than your current setup.

I know that. From the (preliminary) Quicksync results I was looking at, it seemed that using Quicksync acceleration in supported applications would give me similar results to Handbrake. This doesn't seem to be the case, which makes me feel better. If any Dick or Jane can spend 200 bucks on a CPU for the same quality/performance I get, I'll be pissed. That may make me a jerk, but I've been called worse.

Daimon

 

[IronMan77]

Why aren't people waiting for socket 2011?

Generally cost. 1155 is a great value.

 

[Tanclearas]

I have to agree with most responses here, but the following points in particular.

1. You can get USB 3 on virtually every motherboard out there right now. Many of those are running it off of enough PCIe lanes to ensure sufficient bandwidth. "Native" or not is irrelevant.
2. PCIe 3 is nothing but a marketing bullet for the foreseeable future. By the time you actually have a video card that needs PCIe 3, you are not going to be happy with your 2011 motherboard anymore.

As you pointed out yourself, there's always something better just around the corner. If you can wait, wait, but don't ever just wait because you're worried something better is coming.

You also mentioned 10 SATA ports and quad-channel memory as some method of "futureproofing". I have never had more than 5 drives in a system, presently only use 3, and I am willing to guess that even if I went beyond 6, I would probably utilize the four USB 3 ports that I already have. As for quad-channel memory, I'll wait until it can be demonstrated that it can drastically improve performance. My guess is a significant increase in price for a performance increase that will only show up in synthetic benchmarks or high-end server applications.

 

[you2]

That's the problem; you are the fool not the folks building systems.

High end graphics cards are cpu limited? Really? Have we returned to 1999? I wasn't aware.
What game are you playing? Crysis 2 only with directx 9? lol

Anyway, PCIexpress3, 10 sata ports and quad channel memory is of no use in the future huh?

 

[you2]

The 2500K is an amazing piece of silicon when it comes to cost/performance. I was looking at up-grade for my E6300 which I thought was a nice fast (cheap) processor when I purchased it. At purchase time I though this system would be plenty fast for 10 years. I could upgrade the processor to a Q9905; but the 2500K adds so much more and this is without 'quicksync' optimization. Anyways. Not everything in the 2500K is new (in fact as processors goes very little) but it is new to intel and a chunk of it is new to 80x86 architecture.

Couple of years down the line and the 2500K will be slow as snail

I'm curious about LGA2011, but I'm getting burned-out re: computer hardware. I spent a lot (for me) for a Dual-1366 transcoding machine, and then Quicksync came along; A f__king 2500K churns out video at a similar speed to my 12 cores. I spent $600 on a motherboard and $1,200 in CPUs... for what? For a computer case almost as tall as my desk? I'm done, done, done.

Daimon