sunzt
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Doesn't answer my question, but i presume you're afraid China GDP will be greater than US GDP. When that happens, the US won't suddenly be a 2nd rate nation. I mean, hasn't it been obvious in the last 5-10 years that this will happen sooner or later?
Besides, China has many internal social problems even if it's #1 in GDP. It's not like they're gonna pull a japan and invade everyone around them.
sunzt
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^ short term slumps not a reliable indicator of long term performance. Market is cyclical, healthy downturn expected after long periods of growth.
^ much more relevant. Too many people ignore GDP per capita and their societal problems. However, it doesn't mean that it will permanently stymie their growth. Likely will see some slowdown. What will set them back is any political upheaval during that slowdown.
SP33Demon
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First off, China is going to lift the 1 child policy soon, which was one of your article's "arguments":
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/china-reportedly-considering-two-child-policy-2011-03-07
Who gives a fck about per capita, China will still be #1 overall GDP. They will still have better technology (see: trains, soon to be better solar and battery tech), faster inflationary controls (bailouts? yeah right), and just about every business in the world will have to deal with the Chinese if they want to be internationally successful. We will play second fiddle with slowass technology due to bipartisanship and consume China's new tech while stuck in a perma-recession like Japan.
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SP33Demon
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No, we're not going to be a second rate nation but it sucks playing second fiddle in areas we used to be number one (GDP, tech, manufacturing).
zinfamous
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China was too insular. Too much infighting among tribes that for the majority of its history, never was a unified nation. That, and too little interest to expand beyond their already vast territory--and don't forget the Mongols pounding on their asses for a century or two.
Otherwise, a unified Chinese nation could have easily run roughshod over the rest of the known world had the inklings of conquest, and the foresight to properly apply their highly advanced technology (gunpowder ~1k years before anyone else; yet they only used it for fireworks. lol)
Otherwise, a unified Chinese nation could have easily run roughshod over the rest of the known world had the inklings of conquest, and the foresight to properly apply their highly advanced technology (gunpowder ~1k years before anyone else; yet they only used it for fireworks. lol)
sunzt
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BeauJangles
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China is a huge economic force, what rank it has is pretty irrelevant to this country. What is relevant is continuing to invest in our infrastructure, education, and domestic technology so that we can ensure our children's quality of life is higher than ours.
So many people in this country are obsessed over whether we're #1. Who cares? Countries like Germany, Britain, Canada, and France are all great places to live and they're fractionally as small as the United States.
sunzt
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Yes. As long as you're within the top 10% of GDP it usually means you're well off economically. Ranking between the top 5 is pretty meaningless unless there are huge disparities.
zinfamous
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lots of details you give there, dingleberry.
One can even argue that "larger Chinese unification" didn't happen until as late as 1945.
Certainly, the People's Communist Republic of China, which is what it is today--is much younger than our comparatively "ancient" U S of A.
what was it before Mao took over? How long, within the history of Chinese culture, has it been a Han nation?
Hell, Italy, as a name and as a concept, is only ~100 years old.
gaidensensei
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I'd say no true unification was present except during the early Homo genus and sometime after Sun Yat-sen's revolution. Even after the unification, there were the nationalists who sided with Kaishek.
It's still not even unified to date due to the constant rivalry between the mainlanders vs those in Taiwan and their principles.
It's still not even unified to date due to the constant rivalry between the mainlanders vs those in Taiwan and their principles.
sunzt
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lots of details you give there, dingleberry.
One can even argue that "larger Chinese unification" didn't happen until as late as 1945.
Certainly, the People's Communist Republic of China, which is what it is today--is much younger than our comparatively "ancient" U S of A.
what was it before Mao took over? How long, within the history of Chinese culture, has it been a Han nation?
Hell, Italy, as a name and as a concept, is only ~100 years old.
*sigh*
For cliffs, click on the image on the top right (the china map). See Qin, Sui, Tang, Ming, Qing, Yuan (debatable), Han, Zhou dynasties....
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part 6 as 1 file:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQN-djeHskg&feature=re*lated all parts of ep 6 combined
and i cant believe there's only been 5000 views of the vids on avg?!
i would have thought ALOT more
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0roo0roo
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Ah thanks, and yea well I guess people on youtube just rather watch cats than anything informative
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Changes all the time. Next century will be Asia again I am 100% certain. Whites have gotten lazy and immoral with wealth and all their systems are failing just look how broke their govts are. They owe Asia BTW. Debtor is the slave to the creditor. Asia will have most manufacturing and invention in the future.
How they did it was Age of Reason. Cast off superstitions for logic and knowledge and invention. Applied those in warfare, machines, and other inventions which made them rich. Also, most important the individual could shine with concepts of individual rights rather than caste or heredity as before which greatly accelerated their efforts.
Finally, Europe was under constant siege from the dominate race in the area, Arabs who had lighting in thier streets when whites were running around in animal clothes, Arabs took almost 1/2 of Europe, all of Africa so there was a certain impetus to get off their dumb ass or die.
Bottom line everything changes with times. Empires rise and fall so you can't just take a snap shot and say X is dominate period.
How they did it was Age of Reason. Cast off superstitions for logic and knowledge and invention. Applied those in warfare, machines, and other inventions which made them rich. Also, most important the individual could shine with concepts of individual rights rather than caste or heredity as before which greatly accelerated their efforts.
Finally, Europe was under constant siege from the dominate race in the area, Arabs who had lighting in thier streets when whites were running around in animal clothes, Arabs took almost 1/2 of Europe, all of Africa so there was a certain impetus to get off their dumb ass or die.
Bottom line everything changes with times. Empires rise and fall so you can't just take a snap shot and say X is dominate period.
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