Why are we still chasing nazi war criminals?

[mrjminer]

because, fuck them. that's why.

why let them die peacefully in their beds surrounded by their loved ones? certainly that's not how the people they gassed died.

What alternative did they have? Follow orders or be killed for being a Jew sympathizer? Nothing like blaming people under extreme duress for following orders. Do you also blame the guards at the US detainment camps during the war for following their orders? Or would you rather have had them disobey orders during a time of war to satisfy their morality? Not even without the threat of death / being tossed into some gas chambers themselves did you see US soldiers "doing the right thing."

That being said, I don't see a problem investigating them for things they did beyond their orders. I do, however, think it's pretty difficult to differentiate the things they did for self-preservation vs. the things they did because they were true believers, but that's what the court is for.

 

[dphantom]

I do, however, think it's pretty difficult to differentiate the things they did for self-preservation vs. the things they did because they were true believers, but that's what the court is for.

exactly why they need to be brought to justice. The Court in a trial of peers will decide their guilt or innocence.

 

[CitizenKain]

The last few nazis who made the news were guards. Not people who gave the orders and not people who pulled the lever.

Correct me if I am wrong on that.

Just as guilty. "Following orders" is not an excuse.

 

[PokerGuy]

It's really more a symbolic thing than anything else at this point. Given how long it's been and the reality that most victims and perps are long dead by now, I think there are many better things to spend resources on. Making sure justice is served - no matter how long it takes - is also a good thing.

I agree with OP for the most part though, it's kind of pointless now.

 

[Texashiker]

because, fuck them. that's why.

why let them die peacefully in their beds surrounded by their loved ones? certainly that's not how the people they gassed died.

We are supposed to have laws against cruel punishment, thats why.

Why the outrage against the nazis? Lets round up all the drone operators and their superiors and put them on trial.

China has a long history of human rights violations.

Lets take doctors who sterilized people in US under the various eugenics laws and put them on trial.

What the nazis did was wrong. If we are going to go after nazis 70+ years after the fact, we really need to look at ourselves first.

Truman ordered two nuclear bombs dropped on a civilian population. Where is the outrage? Why weren't the people who dropped the bomb put on trial?

There was a lot of bad things that happened in the 20th century. Only a small part of those crimes are being punished.

 

[nageov3t]

We are supposed to have laws against cruel punishment, thats why.

Why the outrage against the nazis? Lets round up all the drone operators and their superiors and put them on trial.

China has a long history of human rights violations.

Lets take doctors who sterilized people in US under the various eugenics laws and put them on trial.

What the nazis did was wrong. If we are going to go after nazis 70+ years after the fact, we really need to look at ourselves first.

Truman ordered two nuclear bombs dropped on a civilian population. Where is the outrage? Why weren't the people who dropped the bomb put on trial?

There was a lot of bad things that happened in the 20th century. Only a small part of those crimes are being punished.

you keep saying "we," but this is a German court that's going after these people. I don't believe they'd have jurisdiction over anything you listed.

 

[Texashiker]

you keep saying "we," but this is a German court that's going after these people. I don't believe they'd have jurisdiction over anything you listed.

We as a society, and we as a nation are enabling other nations.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/09/02/nazi-war-crime/2755705/

HAGEN, Germany (AP) — Germany put a 92-year-old former member of the Nazi Waffen SS on trial Monday on charges that he killed a Dutch resistance fighter in 1944.

 

[Genx87]

What alternative did they have? Follow orders or be killed for being a Jew sympathizer? Nothing like blaming people under extreme duress for following orders. Do you also blame the guards at the US detainment camps during the war for following their orders? Or would you rather have had them disobey orders during a time of war to satisfy their morality? Not even without the threat of death / being tossed into some gas chambers themselves did you see US soldiers "doing the right thing."

That being said, I don't see a problem investigating them for things they did beyond their orders. I do, however, think it's pretty difficult to differentiate the things they did for self-preservation vs. the things they did because they were true believers, but that's what the court is for.

See my post about the guards at these camps. They voluntarily joined the SS and were true believers.

 

[OCGuy]

Who is "we" ?

 

[Texashiker]

Who is "we" ?

Already answered that question, post #32

If we are going to allow people to be exported, are we going to have an issue with drone operators being put on trial in Pakistan?

What about bush put on trial for torture and obama for drone strikes?

Where do we, our society and the world draw the line?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Nobody has mentioned that some of these guys or their estates may have profited from plundered goods. Stolen art, gold, valuable's they are liable for this.

 

[fskimospy]

One of the first things they teach you in the military is that it is your duty to follow all lawful orders. In addition, if you are given an order you know to be unlawful it is your duty to disobey. Participating in genocide would fall under category #2.

 

[dphantom]

HAGEN, Germany (AP) — Germany put a 92-year-old former member of the Nazi Waffen SS on trial Monday on charges that he killed a Dutch resistance fighter in 1944.

He is being tried for murder. There is no statute of limitations on murder

According to prosecutors, Bruins and alleged accomplice August Neuhaeuser, who has since died, drove Dijkema to an isolated industrial area where they stopped and told him to "go take a leak."

As he walked away from the car, they fired at least four shots into him, including into the back of his head, killing him instantly, according to the indictment.

Bruins and Neuhaeuser reported that Dijkema was shot while trying to escape.

Though it is not clear who fired the fatal shots, under German law if both suspects were there with the intent to kill, it does not matter who pulled the trigger, according to prosecutors.

 

[dphantom]

We as a society, and we as a nation are enabling other nations.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/09/02/nazi-war-crime/2755705/

"We" are not enabling anyone. Germany is trying and if necessary seeking extradition for suspected war criminals.

 

[rommelrommel]

What alternative did they have? Follow orders or be killed for being a Jew sympathizer? Nothing like blaming people under extreme duress for following orders. Do you also blame the guards at the US detainment camps during the war for following their orders? Or would you rather have had them disobey orders during a time of war to satisfy their morality? Not even without the threat of death / being tossed into some gas chambers themselves did you see US soldiers "doing the right thing."

That being said, I don't see a problem investigating them for things they did beyond their orders. I do, however, think it's pretty difficult to differentiate the things they did for self-preservation vs. the things they did because they were true believers, but that's what the court is for.

There is no evidence that any German soldier was killed for not being willing to work the death camps/squads.

However, if you objected it was nearly a certain transfer to the Eastern front which had a high casualty rate.

 

[Texashiker]

He is being tried for murder. There is no statute of limitations on murder

So you would have no problem with our drone operators being sent to Pakistan and put on trial for murdering innocent civilians?

What about our troops who served in Vietnam? Are you willing to deport your dad or uncle?

I am pretty sure a lot of stuff happened in Vietnam we do not know about.

 

[brycejones]

Simply put the people they are going after didn't show mercy, why show mercy to them now?

OP you need to officially pull your head out of your ass.

So we've got the following in the last couple of months:
1. You're in love with Putin.
2. You want Putin to put in you but you're disgusted by that because you can't face the fact you want the man meat.
3. You are now starting threads about the Jews and wanting to let people who were part of implementing the Holocaust off the hook just because they've managed to avoid being caught for a number of years.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So you would have no problem with our drone operators being sent to Pakistan and put on trial for murdering innocent civilians?

What about our troops who served in Vietnam? Are you willing to deport your dad or uncle?

You have got to be the King of the Strawmen.

 

[fskimospy]

So you would have no problem with our drone operators being sent to Pakistan and put on trial for murdering innocent civilians?

What about our troops who served in Vietnam? Are you willing to deport your dad or uncle?

I am pretty sure a lot of stuff happened in Vietnam we do not know about.

No extradition treaties.

 

[brycejones]

So you would have no problem with our drone operators being sent to Pakistan and put on trial for murdering innocent civilians?

What about our troops who served in Vietnam? Are you willing to deport your dad or uncle?

I am pretty sure a lot of stuff happened in Vietnam we do not know about.

Stop being stupid. Unless you can prove the US government has an implemented program to target civilians Pakistan obviously falls under what traditionally considered the accepted rules of war.

 

[OCGuy]

Already answered that question, post #32

If we are going to allow people to be exported, are we going to have an issue with drone operators being put on trial in Pakistan?

What about bush put on trial for torture and obama for drone strikes?

Where do we, our society and the world draw the line?

I should have looked who it was first, sorry. I would tell you to read up on extradition treaties, but you won't. And even if you did, you wouldn't grasp the information.

"Exported"......lol.

 

[dphantom]

So you would have no problem with our drone operators being sent to Pakistan and put on trial for murdering innocent civilians?

What about our troops who served in Vietnam? Are you willing to deport your dad or uncle?

I am pretty sure a lot of stuff happened in Vietnam we do not know about.

In war, civilians may die. You are failing to differentiate between deliberate, premeditated murder of a specific class or classes of people and the accidental killing of civilians who are in a target area.

To the best of my knowledge, such as My Lai, the perpetrators of that were brought to trial. Undoubtedly in any war there are many unreported atrocities. Your failure to distinguish between the deliberate murder by the Nazi regime of specific classes of people and isolated individual events of war is sad.

 

[Texashiker]

No extradition treaties.

For now.

Stop being stupid. Unless you can prove the US government has an implemented program to target civilians Pakistan obviously falls under what traditionally considered the accepted rules of war.

Laws that address crimes against humanity are stupid?

You tell me the difference in some nazi killing a freedom fighter, and our own troops in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Tell me the difference in a nazi gassing jews, and our own drone operators killing cilvians.

Tell me the difference in nazis killing jews, and our own government dropping two nuclear bombs on civilian populated areas.

Why is the worlds outrage focused on nazi germany, but other crimes against humanity are overlooked or downright ignored.

 

[rommelrommel]

For now.




Laws that address crimes against humanity are stupid?

You tell me the difference in some nazi killing a freedom fighter, and our own troops in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Tell me the difference in a nazi gassing jews, and our own drone operators killing cilvians.

Tell me the difference in nazis killing jews, and our own government dropping two nuclear bombs on civilian populated areas.

Why is the worlds outrage focused on nazi germany, but other crimes against humanity are overlooked or downright ignored.

not sure if serious

 

[dphantom]

You have got to be the King of the Strawmen.

I am thinking I should simply stop while I am behind. Hard to argue against such illogic.