Why are we still chasing nazi war criminals?

[werepossum]

There was a major difference between Wehrmacht and the SS. One was regular army, drafted or volunteers. Regular soldiers.

SS were a macho, egotistical, bully group that exuded power, and terror. Private hit squad

If people think that they can run and hide from their actions and all will be forgotten/forgiven as they age; then what stops the current and future crops from acting similar?

At what age cutoff do you say all is forgiven; come back into our open arms?

I don't think that's completely fair. There were some good, honorable warriors in the SS as well, although admittedly they might have been a minority or nearly so. Especially in the early years there was an image that the SS was the best, and some men want to serve with the best. Others were transferred into the SS to make up battle losses. And anyway, we're mostly talking about the SS auxiliaries here, who were universally disdained by the combat soldiers. (Although granted, that might owe more to convenience in loss than to reality.)

So ironic, these are the people that came for the Jews and did evil things to them but now you feel the need to speak for them. These people are also being given a fair trial.

Yeah, he also left out "Then they came for the Nazis, and I did not speak out-- Because they're fucking Nazis!"

 

[Orignal Earl]

Yeah, he also left out "Then they came for the Nazis, and I did not speak out-- Because they're fucking Nazis!"

wtf
Is this about the Pastor Martin Niemöller quote?
Don't they teach you about that quote in school?
I'm sure it has to be in one of the holocaust museums for sure

 

[DucatiMonster696]

I don't care how long ago this was. They skinned people alive and stole all their property. They deserve to die a thousand deaths. The Nazi's were all murderers and Thieves. They worked prisoners of war to death and put them in Ovens to get rid of them. They all deserve to die by firing squad. Never forget the truth.

The Japanese Army did far worse things though it was not on the same organized scale. In fact they made the NAZI's look like amateurs when it came to human cruelty. One of the most infamous and barbaric Japanese army units was unit 731.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

 

[werepossum]

wtf
Is this about the Pastor Martin Niemöller quote?
Don't they teach you about that quote in school?
I'm sure it has to be in one of the holocaust museums for sure

Yup. Never saw it related to chasing Nazi war criminals though.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Yup. Never saw it related to chasing Nazi war criminals though.

Ah I see
Glad to put it together that way for you then

 

[MongGrel]

There is an article on the daily caller talking about software being developed to identify and convict nazi war criminals.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/07/h...d-to-identify-and-convict-nazi-war-criminals/

Why are nazi war crimes still an issue? Most of those people are in their 90s. What good does it do to put a 90 year old person on trial?

If this was the 1950s, 1960 maybe even the 1980s, sure, hunt them down.

Victory in Europe was on this day, May 8, 1945. Here are 69 years later and still picking at wounds from three generations back?

From the recent people I saw brought before a court, they were prison guards. What were they supposed to do, disobey orders? I dont see any of our drone operators being kicked out of the Army for refusing orders.

What the nazis did was wrong, but there is no justice in bringing someone who may not even remember what happened 60 - 69 years ago to trial.

Why doesn't society just let those old nazis fade into history where they belong.

Came into this one late, but I guess because they were Nazi War Mass Murderers?

Some of my Grandfathers things from that day and age when he went across Europe and saw those camps.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Came into this one late, but I guess because they were Nazi War Mass Murderers?

Some of my Grandfathers things from that day and age when he went across Europe and saw those camps.

Man, that stuff is cool
Pure gold man

We have a bunch too, including a awesome Luger with see through handle

 

[feralkid]

Does one really volunteer for a military that is sweeping an entire continent?
My mistake is noted, but my principle does not stand on that.

I oppose this collective punishment sadistic people wish to extoll on the elderly. These folks are a generation beyond senior. They have no capacity to harm society.

I am more concerned for those wanting their pound of flesh. When we're done exterminating the last of these ancient Nazis, who shall our wrath turn against next?

Nazi sympathizers like you, perhaps?

Holocaust deniers after that?

Crazy bigots in general?

 

[Victorian Gray]

I don't think that's completely fair. There were some good, honorable warriors in the SS as well, although admittedly they might have been a minority or nearly so. Especially in the early years there was an image that the SS was the best, and some men want to serve with the best. Others were transferred into the SS to make up battle losses. And anyway, we're mostly talking about the SS auxiliaries here, who were universally disdained by the combat soldiers. (Although granted, that might owe more to convenience in loss than to reality.)

Nope, he was one of these guys:

"SS-Totenkopfverbände (SS-TV), rendered in English as "Death's-Head Units,"[2] was the SS organization responsible for administering the Nazi concentration camps for the Third Reich.

The SS-TV was an independent unit within the SS with its own ranks and command structure. It ran the camps throughout Germany, such as Dachau, Bergen-Belsen and Buchenwald; in Nazi-occupied Europe, there was Auschwitz in German occupied Poland and Mauthausen in Austria as well as numerous other concentration and death camps."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-Totenkopfverbände

And no, Earl isn't defending Nazis. The OP and several others on the other hand...

 

[Orignal Earl]

And no, Earl isn't defending Nazis. The OP and several others on the other hand...

:thumbsup:

I'll also take this moment to say this board has become a little more balanced since you showed up
I love your posts and glad to have you here

 

[Victorian Gray]

:thumbsup:

I'll also take this moment to say this board has become a little more balanced since you showed up
I love your posts and glad to have you here

Thanks, although I've certainly had my off days here as well.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Thanks, although I've certainly had my off days here as well.

I hear ya..
We're all human eh

 

[Jaskalas]

Nazi sympathizers like you, perhaps?

First the Russians now the Nazis. When do I get my Muslim sympathizer badge? Surely it is in the mail too. For if I'm not picking the wings off flies I'm not monster like you. And if I'm not with you then I must be against you.

 

[OCGuy]

Wait until the OP hears that Arkansas just had their anti gay-marriage law struck down, with no stay for appeal. :biggrin:

 

[werepossum]

Nope, he was one of these guys:

"SS-Totenkopfverbände (SS-TV), rendered in English as "Death's-Head Units,"[2] was the SS organization responsible for administering the Nazi concentration camps for the Third Reich.

The SS-TV was an independent unit within the SS with its own ranks and command structure. It ran the camps throughout Germany, such as Dachau, Bergen-Belsen and Buchenwald; in Nazi-occupied Europe, there was Auschwitz in German occupied Poland and Mauthausen in Austria as well as numerous other concentration and death camps."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-Totenkopfverbände

And no, Earl isn't defending Nazis. The OP and several others on the other hand...

My point was that these groups - the Wirtschafts-Verwaltungshauptamt, the Totenkopfverbände, the Aufseherinnen, all the Allgemeine-SS - were completely separate from and parallel to the Waffen-SS. There were certainly some bad characters and some institutional evil within the Waffen-SS, but also plenty of honest soldiers. The Waffen-SS became a true military unit, whereas the Allgemeine-SS remained a paramilitary auxiliary unit. I don't think it's fair to lump men like Werner Ostendorff or Paul Hausser with creatures like the Totenkopfverbände.

The Waffen-SS had some evil men and all (or at least who joined voluntarily) bear some stain of the evil done by its members in the pursuit of its common professed ideology, but they were still soldiers risking their lives and that's a far cry from the paramilitaries running death camps. The auxiliaries remained in Himmler's direct command; the Waffen-SS was in the Wermacht's command, although admittedly with a lot of leeway due to Hitler's patronage.

 

[feralkid]

First the Russians now the Nazis. When do I get my Muslim sympathizer badge? Surely it is in the mail too. For if I'm not picking the wings off flies I'm not monster like you. And if I'm not with you then I must be against you.

No, you're just an ignorant asshole.

The only people with you are other ignorant assholes.

Oh and stop comparing Nazi War Criminals with innocent flies having their wings pulled off. How idiotic can you be?

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[Victorian Gray]

My point was that these groups - the Wirtschafts-Verwaltungshauptamt, the Totenkopfverbände, the Aufseherinnen, all the Allgemeine-SS - were completely separate from and parallel to the Waffen-SS. There were certainly some bad characters and some institutional evil within the Waffen-SS, but also plenty of honest soldiers. The Waffen-SS became a true military unit, whereas the Allgemeine-SS remained a paramilitary auxiliary unit. I don't think it's fair to lump men like Werner Ostendorff or Paul Hausser with creatures like the Totenkopfverbände.

The Waffen-SS had some evil men and all (or at least who joined voluntarily) bear some stain of the evil done by its members in the pursuit of its common professed ideology, but they were still soldiers risking their lives and that's a far cry from the paramilitaries running death camps. The auxiliaries remained in Himmler's direct command; the Waffen-SS was in the Wermacht's command, although admittedly with a lot of leeway due to Hitler's patronage.

I threw in the info that I did in relation to the guy in the original post. It seemed that your reference to auxiliaries was in relation to the guards at the camp.

As for the Waffen SS, while there might be some not so bad characters over all, it was an arm of the Party and was involved in many of the war crimes/massacres of the war and deservedly held responsible after the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS#War_crimes

 

[Jaskalas]

No, you're just an ignorant asshole.

The only people with you are other ignorant assholes.

Oh and stop comparing Nazi War Criminals with innocent flies having their wings pulled off. How idiotic can you be?

Old men on their death beds who, far as we know, lived good lives after the war and can't harm anyone. Yeah, I'm sticking with that comparison. You are sadistic.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Old men on their death beds who, far as we know, lived good lives after the war and can't harm anyone. Yeah, I'm sticking with that comparison. You are sadistic.

Doesn't matter if they "lived good lives after the war and can't harm anyone"

Because this is what they did

"Upon arrival at Auschwitz-Birkenau and other killing centers, the camp authorities sent the majority of children directly to the gas chambers. SS and police forces in German-occupied Poland and the occupied Soviet Union shot thousands of children at the edge of mass graves."

and this is what the 'innocent' guards were guarding

So forgive me if I have no sympathy for these monsters in their dotage.

I support arresting them on their deathbeds if need be.

 

[frowertr]

I think it's time we stop feeding the troll known as Jaskalas. It's quite obvious that his entire argument hinges on the fact that he believes we should have more sympathy for elderly S.S. guards than for Jews those same guards tortured and killed.

Where do people learn to think like this?? Gheesh...

 

[Orignal Earl]

Where do people learn to think like this?? Gheesh...

It best flourishes in the dark
Where the sun it never shines
Evil grows in cracks and holes
And lives in people's minds


http://www.lyricsnmusic.com/the-poppy-family/where-evil-grows-lyrics/733964

 

[HeXen]

The law is the law at ATOT!!

 

[mikeymikec]

So the new TH political flavor of the month is the Holocaust and Jews it seems. I guess it's good you take a break from all the gay bashing for a while.

I can't wait to find out who will be the target of his hypocritical attempts to gain the moral high ground (e.g. "You're sexist! I'm the one crusading for womens' rights here!"), this time around.

 

[Orignal Earl]

The law is the law at ATOT!!

 

[Jaskalas]

I think it's time we stop feeding the troll known as Jaskalas. It's quite obvious that his entire argument hinges on the fact that he believes we should have more sympathy for elderly S.S. guards than for Jews those same guards tortured and killed.

Where do people learn to think like this?? Gheesh...

I heard we had a war or two with the British once. Why aren't we still slaughtering them? Maybe there is such a concept as putting !@#$ behind us. For what other reason than sadistic bloody vengeance, do you continue to pursue this?

I will not quiver over old men in their beds. They are of no concern to me, and thus I have no logical reason to attack them. It does not protect society to follow this action. It does harm any families they might have. Cause new damage, open old wounds or start fresh ones.

I am conserned with the mob standing before us now. Turning their wrath on whomever they desire. That is the real threat. I see a pack of jackals ripping apart a wounded animal, am I to be pleased with this? No... it merely cautions me that there are plenty of rabid dogs out there and none of them are carrying swastikas. This is 2014 and the dangers out there are not from the 1940s.

One of us fights for peace, the other for vengeance. Tell me, really, which of us is likely to sanction another genocide?