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Brazen

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Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: AMDZen

Dude control yourself. This thread is about SOUND. SOUND YOU FRICKIN idiot. I'm just defending my B16 and other Honda motors that sound awesome because of all the anti-Honda people around here that don't know what their talking about. B16's Rule, and they sound awesome. That is all

You already called my Z a POS, and demanded that I tell you my mods and produce dyno and timeslip data. I will do this, as soon as you back up some of your claims, about your Civic, Blazer, and friend's S2000 that will "most definitely" beat my car.

I already know that if I post my dad that you're just going to BS your way through the comparison much like you BSed your way through this thread. If I say that I had 300 HP at the rear wheels, you'll say that your blazer has 301 HP at the rear wheels. If I say I ran a 13.5@105, you'll say that you ran a 13.4 @ 106. I don't trust your integrity or your claimed knowledge.

I admit that may be wrong to call it a POS, I just get frustrated because its doubtful that you even know what a B16 is, much less what it sounds like. :D

Thats fine if you don't trust me. I don't care.

I just told you what I had, so I can't BS anymore can I?? The blaze is quick though, and at sea level would pull 13 flat, or high 12s.

The Dart has a 440 in it BTW, so when it runs again and you know anything about cars, you will know its a quick runnin SOB ;)

Not necessarily, I had a GMC K1500 with a 385 in it, and it was not a quick runnin SOB. I even rebuilt the d@Mn thing. It sounded mean though. Not whiny and lound like a ricer, but deep, throaty and, uh, loud.
 

hondAS2ooo170

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all i have to say is get the flowmaster exhaust system and no one will complain it has the power for thos wo wants a run for their money and those elegant ones that wants a rumble.
 

Brazen

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Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: Brazen
Originally posted by: AMDZen
You know. I have the exact opposite question. Why are so many people concerned with "quieting" their cars. You know how they do that? They restrict the air flow. Lots of air = good, restricting air flow for noise concerns = bad.

You can take any car on the road today, put a better and less restrictive air filter, box, or intake on it and it will sound BETTER, the way it was meant to sound, and it will get better gas mileage.

The other thing is the sound when you floor a car thats made to sound "muffled" and not make any noise. It sounds like complete a$$ when its wide open, and yet this is what consumers want?

Any way, if you think all ricers sound like a 50cc motor, you obviously haven't heard any of Honda's high output motors at high RPM's. My B16 sounds fantastic at WOT @ around 7000-8000 rpm. The B18C, and the 2.0 in the S2000 all sound frickin' fantastic.

I will forgive you since your not a car person, but more sound = more power. I can't believe people would rather have a quiet car that sounds like utter shite at WOT.

BTW, what do you drive? Try slapping an intake on it, you will fall in love with the sound of your motor no matter what you drive.

WRONG. Sounds like a ricer dumb@$$ to the bone. More sound does not mean more power. Some of the best mufflers for horsepower have a nice mellow sound to them. B16's do NOT sound "fantastic" no matter what RPMs they are at. And I guarantee my nice mellow 5.0 mustang will blow the tires off the majority of the d@mn annoying ricer cars around here that you can hear 5 blocks away.

And I had a sh!t truck that was the loudest thing on the road (not by choice, it just was) and it couldn't outrun spit.

Oh shiet. Battle of the e-penis... over 4 bangers. :confused:

"over 4 bangers" ??? uh, a 5.0 mustang is not a 4 banger, and my truck had a 385, also far from a 4 banger.
 

Iron Woode

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Originally posted by: AMDZen
Never dyno'd the blaze, but it probably makes about 350-360 whp. It gets horrible gas mileage, but its fun to 4x with. Damn thing will go anywhere. And it does 14 seconds in the quarter (bare in mind this is at Bandimere, more then a mile high), I bested a Typhoon at the track once (if you know what that is) which weighs similar or the same so I know it makes more HP then that.

Thats fine if you don't trust me. I don't care.

I just told you what I had, so I can't BS anymore can I?? The blaze is quick though, and at sea level would pull 13 flat, or high 12s.

The Dart has a 440 in it BTW, so when it runs again and you know anything about cars, you will know its a quick runnin SOB

quoted for truth.

Bwahaha 14 secs and 360 whp? 14 what? 14.00 or 14.99? At sea level you will only gain 1/2 to 3/4 sec max. Lets see 1984 blazer and, lets say 14.5 sec ET = 250 rwhp, wow. You beat a Typhoon, well whoopdeedoo. A near 16 sec ET truck. You're the man now dog!!!

So you have a 440 Dart, eh. What year is it and is it factory installed? Quick running SOB? Depends. 440 in a Dart sounds great on paper, but reality is quite different. Its a bad combination on the street, when you could do a nice 360 and have a fast balanced car that actually handles well.

But I forgot, you're the automotive expert on this board.



 

sxr7171

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Originally posted by: AMDZen
You know. I have the exact opposite question. Why are so many people concerned with "quieting" their cars. You know how they do that? They restrict the air flow. Lots of air = good, restricting air flow for noise concerns = bad.

You can take any car on the road today, put a better and less restrictive air filter, box, or intake on it and it will sound BETTER, the way it was meant to sound, and it will get better gas mileage.

The other thing is the sound when you floor a car thats made to sound "muffled" and not make any noise. It sounds like complete a$$ when its wide open, and yet this is what consumers want?

Any way, if you think all ricers sound like a 50cc motor, you obviously haven't heard any of Honda's high output motors at high RPM's. My B16 sounds fantastic at WOT @ around 7000-8000 rpm. The B18C, and the 2.0 in the S2000 all sound frickin' fantastic.

I will forgive you since your not a car person, but more sound = more power. I can't believe people would rather have a quiet car that sounds like utter shite at WOT.

BTW, what do you drive? Try slapping an intake on it, you will fall in love with the sound of your motor no matter what you drive.

True that. Some of these cars sound literally like a washing machine at full throttle.
 

g8wayrebel

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: 91TTZ

That is 100% false. Turbocharged cars will ALWAYS be quieter than their naturally aspirated equivalents because the turbine section of the turbo is in the exhaust stream, mulling the exhaust pulses. An NA engine will have a louder, raspier exhaust note with the same exhaust system.

Read and learn.
Glad you said it before I did. DUH! The turbo is powered by exhaust gasses , so it would naturally dampen the noise as the exhaust escapes.It also has a throated port to generate pressure. Smaller hole =higher pitch = less discernable noise and less vibration
 

Robor

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I can't believe I read so far into this thread. What a waste of 5 minutes. Rice belongs in a bowl or on a plate, not in your car.

Most of the (insert your favorite ricer car here) drivers with their erector set wings, pillar gauges, decals, and coffee can mufflers who think their cars sound good are only kidding themselves. They *don't* sound good, they sound like a bumble bee. They aren't fast, they're just loud. Taking a (insert your favorite ricer again) with 120 or 150 HP and putting a K&N and "muffler" doesn't make it fast, it just makes it annoying. And the strange part is they dump all this money into mods making it a car that no one other than a fellow ricer would want. Talk about cutting down your potential buyers. Modded cars = no resale value.

Message to ricers: You are not Vin Diesel and life is not The Fast & The Furious.

 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Robor
I can't believe I read so far into this thread. What a waste of 5 minutes. Rice belongs in a bowl or on a plate, not in your car.

Most of the (insert your favorite ricer car here) drivers with their erector set wings, pillar gauges, decals, and coffee can mufflers who think their cars sound good are only kidding themselves. They *don't* sound good, they sound like a bumble bee. They aren't fast, they're just loud. Taking a (insert your favorite ricer again) with 120 or 150 HP and putting a K&N and "muffler" doesn't make it fast, it just makes it annoying. And the strange part is they dump all this money into mods making it a car that no one other than a fellow ricer would want. Talk about cutting down your potential buyers. Modded cars = no resale value.

Message to ricers: You are not Vin Diesel and life is not The Fast & The Furious.

I agree with your post for the most part. However, there are a couple stock Japanese cars based on Rally cars that are very fast right out of the box that I think you're overlooking.

It so happens that these cars appeal to the ricer crowd and come from the factory with park bench rear wings and larger than "normal" exhaust tips. They also respond very favorably to mods and are very very fast right out of the box. We're talking BMW E46 M3 acceleration and cornering and Ferrari 360 braking stock!!! From the factory!!!

Just a little info to feed the brain...:)
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Robor
I can't believe I read so far into this thread. What a waste of 5 minutes. Rice belongs in a bowl or on a plate, not in your car.

Most of the (insert your favorite ricer car here) drivers with their erector set wings, pillar gauges, decals, and coffee can mufflers who think their cars sound good are only kidding themselves. They *don't* sound good, they sound like a bumble bee. They aren't fast, they're just loud. Taking a (insert your favorite ricer again) with 120 or 150 HP and putting a K&N and "muffler" doesn't make it fast, it just makes it annoying. And the strange part is they dump all this money into mods making it a car that no one other than a fellow ricer would want. Talk about cutting down your potential buyers. Modded cars = no resale value.

Message to ricers: You are not Vin Diesel and life is not The Fast & The Furious.

I agree with your post for the most part. However, there are a couple stock Japanese cars based on Rally cars that are very fast right out of the box that I think you're overlooking.

It so happens that these cars appeal to the ricer crowd and come from the factory with park bench rear wings and larger than "normal" exhaust tips. They also respond very favorably to mods and are very very fast right out of the box. We're talking BMW E46 M3 acceleration and cornering and Ferrari 360 braking stock!!! From the factory!!!

Just a little info to feed the brain...:)

I wouldn't say I'm overlooking anything because I never said *all* Japanese cars are slow. A friend of mine had a modded WRX that moved along pretty good. Of course it threw a rod on the highway. Anyway, I'm talking about standard (non performance type) cars like a Civic, Acccord, Integra, Neon, Eclipse, etc, etc. I do a lot of driving for my job and I've seen "rice" on just about any car you can imagine. Geo Metro, Suzuki Sidekick, Ford Escort (I'm not kidding). Earlier this week I was behind a Chevy Corsica with an erector set wing. There's just no excuse for that.

This is just a guess but I would say 90% of the "ricers" I'm refering to couldn't do a 13.99 1/4 mile going downhill with a tailwind. In the end their cars aren't fast, they're just loud and annoying. What's that old saying...??? "All show - no go". In most cases it applies here. ;) :D
 

Cross

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Well frankly its for power, when you restrict a big engine (like the 98 LS1 V8 I have that I just finished the Stroker kit in not long ago) it holds back on power because of the back pressure, when you free up that back pressure it lets the car perform the way you wanted it to.

Now with smaller cars, as you coined them ricers (I also own a v6 Mazda I race) they need some back pressure but factory is again, more of a hinderance then a help. I must admit the Camaro is loud, it has straight pipe on a 450HP V8. But then putting mufflers and anything else pulls from the power of the car and thats what I spent the money to setup and enjoy. Others do it for music, some do it for a jaguar that they don't hear etc. Personally I love the sound of a car done right, either my V6 or my V8.

I hate others with there music so I put together a small system in my car so I can hear it and I don't car about the others. Or you can use dynomat and block them out (Mostly).

But quite frankly, you have what you enjoy others have what they enjoy, to the car builder/racer this is a way of showing that we enjoy speed and our vehicles. I know when I pass someone else who has just done minor work to there car I know hey, that person either does it for atten, or maybe they are like me and they are building up the cars they enjoy.

Basically think of it like this, your comment is close to saying to someone 100% tech that watercooling is dumb, how can you do that when water and electricity do not mix. We know that the cooler temps, allow for higher overclocking and longer chip life amoung other things. But say this to someone who does not understand how it works or why to do that and they really do not care.

I hope you will not hate us all but I know you probably would not like my cars ^-^ I would hate to think that it would give you an excuse not to like someone just because of there personal pref and taste.


P.S. After reading a few more posts I agree that those who just put intake and exhaust on only and think there car is wonderfully faster (without changing the cat most of the time) are annoying. You have to do more to your car then just some basic exhaust. For those of us that do we all feel that we have been put with those who do not and just annoy others. Frankly while we all do it for speed, we don't all do it to be annoying. There are those of us who do not get on our cars in the wee hours around homes, we go to the track or inductrial area's. But most of us do race, so as I said before its all in what you like.
 

CVSiN

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Originally posted by: Brazen
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Any way, if you think all ricers sound like a 50cc motor, you obviously haven't heard any of Honda's high output motors at high RPM's. My B16 sounds fantastic at WOT @ around 7000-8000 rpm. The B18C, and the 2.0 in the S2000 all sound frickin' fantastic.

Hate to break it to you, but the monotonous drone that is a Honda motor at high RPMs with a bigger exhaust is HEADACHE-INDUCING, not "fantastic". It's not just that I don't like the sound of 4-bangers...I think my MR2 sounds pretty good at high RPMs...but the difference is that my 4AGE has a more complex and throatier sound than your average Honda engine.

Like most everyone else here, you have no idea what your talking about. I don't have exhaust on my Civic. And I guarentee my B16A2 sounds better then your 4AGE

By the way, no exhause = loud & less power due to back-pressure

Once again proving you don't know what you are talking about.

This is not true.. most after market tuned systems.. are designed with the IDEAL amount of backpressure for the application...
factory setups on sports cars have way too much backpressure... pipes are smaller than they should be and headers usally very restrictive... as well as cats.

when you can get a 50-75hp out of a good full system exhaust (headers, pipes, mufflers tailpipes) more if you do headwork.. cams superchargers.....

Borla full systems make good HP but they are a little loud still
flowmaster mufflers are very loud but legal
Dynomax are also pretty loud...

Bikes on the other hand are just kinda loud by nature....
even stock above idle bikes howl...

my bike at idle is pretty quiet but at WOT its pretty darn loud.. but its legal and passes inspection in Texas and Florida...

Harleys... I dunno if anything can be done to quiet harleys down... most usally dont even use mufflers just pipes... ya they are pretty annoying -=P