Why are vehicle enthusiasts attracted to LOUD vehicles?

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Hey, AMDZen - just put this on your Civic and get the best of both worlds!

BTW, the car in my sig has a four inch pipe, it's mAd tYt3, and it sounds totally like a Ferrari with a HEMI.

- M4H

But see this is why someone like myself can get upset, because you think all people who like Honda's are the same. I make fun of giant wings as much as the next person. You people are all alike, and your a fukkin retard.

You know what's so funny about that... as much as everyone bashes these huge wings and ass fart cans... where are the people who actually like this crap? I just think it's funny how such hilarious things still exist, when it's obvious EVERYONE besides the owner hates it! yeah yeah i know to each their own, but that is just such an easy way to get made fun of anymore... LOL

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: CraigRT

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: CraigRT

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: AMDZen
I just find it irritating since most people don't even know about Honda's. They think "why should I, they are slow" and for the most part, they are right. They are slow(er) then most cars people compare them too, but they are such awesome pieces of engineering its hard not to respect the he|| out of them. If you actually have an open mind and research the facts that is.

Mod for a purpose- if your purpose is to make more power, then do mods which give you the most power. Don't blow money on expensive yet ineffective mods because you think that's the "respectable" way to make power. In the end, the performance is what matters. How you came about to get it doesn't. That's only the means, not the end.

I agree and IMO it's not arguable... performance is king in the end, and if you take 2 cars to the track, and they are both the same weight, but the Honda loses because the other car has boost, it still lost, no matter what.

But see. This isn't true. What about someone like me who has a different car for different purposes?? Why should I have a daily driver that I ALSO take to the track?

I like my Honda as a daily driver. It gets awesome gas mileage, does well in snow (fwd) and also sounds good with good performance all around. Awesome breaking, handlign and decent power.

So why would I need to mod my Honda when thats what its for?? Only going to work and back?? Where as the dart is the track car, and sometimes snow, 4x muddin and stuff car?

You can't see this argument?

I can see the argument, yes, but I was simply just agreeing with the fact that performance speaks for itself, it a car is faster, its faster, period.

I respect what you think about your car, I have a 2k1 Neon R/T, and it is fun to drive and gets OK gas mileage too.. at 5,000 RPM my secondary throttle plates open up and the car just screams upto 7k RPM, and although it's not the fastest car out there, it's enjoyable enough. I'm not really any different than you are here!

I've realized that since you've actually replied respectfully, vs. M4H and his "turbo siren".

The way I see it, personally, is unless you only have 1 car then its not always about faster = better. And when comparing the sound of a car, bigger doesn't always mean better either. Its a different sound, like comparing apples to oranges.

And if you do only have 1 car, your not truly a car person any way. I will forever love old american muscle. And I guess people just can't understand how I can love Honda's too. But then again, people can't understand how I can like PS and Xbox. Or AMD64 and G5's. Someone always has to be a fan of just ONE thing. Or so it seems.

 

[J0hnny]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Hey, AMDZen - just put this on your Civic and get the best of both worlds!

BTW, the car in my sig has a four inch pipe, it's mAd tYt3, and it sounds totally like a Ferrari with a HEMI.

- M4H

But see this is why someone like myself can get upset, because you think all people who like Honda's are the same. I make fun of giant wings as much as the next person. You people are all alike, and your a fukkin retard.

*reels in vigorously*

AH GAWT 'EM! YEEE HAW!

- M4H

AMDZEn, don't get baited by M4H, he's not as knowledgable as he thinks he is. Everyone needs to take a chill pill.

 

[phreakah]

yea this thread got fvcked up real fast

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: phreakah
yea this thread got fvcked up real fast

doesn't come as a surprise to me

 

[91TTZ]

Ok, I'm going to explain my views on modding cars, racing, etc.

1. I believe to mod for a purpose- decide what your goal is and try to achieve that goal in the most direct way possible. There is no glory in doing something the complicated way. It only makes things more expensive and less reliable. Do your homework first, and make sure that you're exerting your effort the smartest way possible.

2. Trust the data- don't ignore science and do things some bass-ackwards way and expect the outcome to be what you wanted. Seat of the pants feelings, guesses, speculation- all those things can mislead you. If you mod your car and you think it "feels" faster but it gets worse ET's now, your car is now slower. Your feelings mislead you. Engine tuning isn't a popularity contest or a fashion show- it's a science.

3. Performance is what matters- If your car revs to 10,000 rpm and you just lost a race to someone who only had to rev at 6,000 rpm, you lost that race. Saying "but my car revs to 10,000 rpm" doesn't change the facts.

4. Be modest- a sleeper is better than an outrageously obnoxious ricebox. An SRT-4 Neon with stock exhaust is better than an older Neon with a fart can on it. It's faster and quieter.

5. Plastering your car with stickers makes one look like a fool.

 

[AMDZen]

It seems that all the car threads erupt like that. For me any way. I just need to leave my love for my B16 out of it

 

[J0hnny]

I :heart: my D16Y8

 

[KoolDrew]

Originally posted by: jagec
A nice rumble is good, but it's true that many people go too far.

 

[91TTZ]

To honor AMDZen's question before about my car's mods and HP, my car has only minimal mods and the last time I dyno'd it, it put down 339 rwhp and 389 rwtq. 15 psi, pump gas, blah blah blah.

I don't believe in changing my car's setup to dyno or track it because I like an accurate indication of what I run on the street.

My car sucks at drag racing. I took it to the track only a couple times and I get no traction. Z's can't launch with street tires. I ran a 13.0 @ 107.4. Another guy with the same mods but using drag radials ran a 12.3 @ 106.

But to back up my previous points, yes my car has "turbos", and yes a turbo car is quieter than the same car that's naturally aspirated.

 

[Literati]

Originally posted by: anxi80
just be happy you arent in that city where they have those whistle-tip's that bubb rubb was selling.

But that's only in tha mawnin! You posed to be up cookin breafast fa somebody!

WOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOO

 

[J0hnny]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Ok, I'm going to explain my views on modding cars, racing, etc.

1. I believe to mod for a purpose- decide what your goal is and try to achieve that goal in the most direct way possible. There is no glory in doing something the complicated way. It only makes things more expensive and less reliable. Do your homework first, and make sure that you're exerting your effort the smartest way possible.

Ans. - "Ricer" mods have a purpose: Make as much HP as possible regardless of where in the powerband the power is. So, as long as the peak HP has improved, goal has been met, even if you have to lose HP in the lower RPM band.

2. Trust the data- don't ignore science and do things some bass-ackwards way and expect the outcome to be what you wanted. Seat of the pants feelings, guesses, speculation- all those things can mislead you. If you mod your car and you think it "feels" faster but it gets worse ET's now, your car is now slower. Your feelings mislead you. Engine tuning isn't a popularity contest or a fashion show- it's a science.

Ans. - Import enthusiasts have always used data and you sound like you're saying they don't. But what's the purpose of modding if there is no emotional, feeling, adrenaline rush for a return on investment for making the mod?

3. Performance is what matters- If your car revs to 10,000 rpm and you just lost a race to someone who only had to rev at 6,000 rpm, you lost that race. Saying "but my car revs to 10,000 rpm" doesn't change the facts.

Tell that to some Mustang 5.0 liter fanboy who loses to a 1.6 liter Civic and all his excuses are "there is no replacement for displacement" because there apparently is (ie. FI and tuning at high RPMS)

4. Be modest- a sleeper is better than an outrageously obnoxious ricebox. An SRT-4 Neon with stock exhaust is better than an older Neon with a fart can on it. It's faster and quieter.

Some "outrageously obnoxious ricebox" with stickers to boot can spank stock versions, so why not show it off? A riced out SRT-4 with larger free flowing exhaust, headwork, etc, with wings, is faster than stock SRT-4, so why not show it off?

5. Plastering your car with stickers makes one look like a fool.

If I want to show that I have a Greddy intake, Apexi exhaust, Neuspeed springs, then I will do so with stickers to prove that I have those mods. What about people who own Harleys and choppers and put outrageous sticker designs? To each their own!

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
To honor AMDZen's question before about my car's mods and HP, my car has only minimal mods and the last time I dyno'd it, it put down 339 rwhp and 389 rwtq. 15 psi, pump gas, blah blah blah.

I don't believe in changing my car's setup to dyno or track it because I like an accurate indication of what I run on the street.

My car sucks at drag racing. I took it to the track only a couple times and I get no traction. Z's can't launch with street tires. I ran a 13.0 @ 107.4. Another guy with the same mods but using drag radials ran a 12.3 @ 106.

But to back up my previous points, yes my car has "turbos", and yes a turbo car is quieter than the same car that's naturally aspirated.

Thank you. I was honestly curious, I just love all cars. I know you hate hearing about my friends cars, but my roommate had the 4-seat zx. I always thought it was cool how they made Z's in 4 seat and 2 seat configs.

BTW, I honestly didn't mean to be presumptuous, I understand how that can get annoying. It especially annoys me, like computers, people think they know about cars when they don't. Its just like when someone is talking about my Honda. Did you put Header's on that thing man. Ummmm. No, its a four cylinder, it only has a single exhaust manifold, meaning I could only put A header on it. Not headers.

Edit : spelling

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

THIS IS THE BEST THREAD EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
THIS IS THE BEST THREAD EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!

- M4H

 

[91TTZ]

As Mayor of ATOT I hereby declare this thread- AWESOME!

 

[quakefiend420]

i like my VG30ET

it sounds good with straight pipes...the turbo does quiet it down, contrary to what someone else said earlier...and i'm not gonna get into a pissing match with anyone about whats better or worse so don't even try..just adding the SOUND of my car to the thread...since that WAS the original topic :disgust:

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
My car is modded but it's still fairly quiet. The turbos really help muffle the sound. And it doesn't sound restricted at WOT either.

Ummm, yea. If you have turbos (plural) and the car is quiet, then yes you are restricting something somewhere. And turbo car's are normally louder, not quieter, then their naturally aspirated equivelant. There is no way in he|| you could not be restricting a car thats turbo charged, if its quiet. Besides, chances are that you don't have turbo's (plural).

That is 100% false. Turbocharged cars will ALWAYS be quieter than their naturally aspirated equivalents because the turbine section of the turbo is in the exhaust stream, mulling the exhaust pulses. An NA engine will have a louder, raspier exhaust note with the same exhaust system.

Read and learn.

Depends on if your going to run the turbos CORRECTLY. If their running at a decent amout of boost, you always have to have a BOV. Have you ever heard a BOV? Its loud. Besides, if you turbo your car, you usually free up the exhaust, because if your after more power then why would you be restricting it? Turbo cars become louder BECAUSE their normally bolted onto cars. I'm not talking about turbo cars that came from the factory with a much lower compression.

BOVs are not loud, unless you get a pansyass one with a very restricted flow. "PFFT" every time it clutches isn't bad. A bus venting air brakes is louder. Or you're overly sensitive.

I seriously can't believe how so many people on this board have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to cars.

I can hear my Friends Evo VIII from 5 BLOCKS AWAY+++. I know exactly when he's coming, first you hear the Turbo-charged four running through the down pipe out the exhaust, and right before the shift you hear a huge WSHHHHHHHHHHHSHHHHHH. Maybe the BOV's you here aren't loud, but those people probably aren't running a big enough intercooler's at high enough boost to even NEED a BOV in the first place.

That's probably because he put a useless aftermarket BOV on it. :roll: Trust me, if he's stock he doesn't need a BOV. You don't need a BOV until you are making over 20lbs of boost. I don't know how it is with the Evo but if it's like the WRX-STi it has a recirculation valve which is almost inaudible when you let off the gas between shifts.

He paid $200 for absolutely no reason other than to make his car go Whooosh between shifts. Your friend=moron.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: J0hnny

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Ok, I'm going to explain my views on modding cars, racing, etc.

1. I believe to mod for a purpose- decide what your goal is and try to achieve that goal in the most direct way possible. There is no glory in doing something the complicated way. It only makes things more expensive and less reliable. Do your homework first, and make sure that you're exerting your effort the smartest way possible.

Ans. - "Ricer" mods have a purpose: Make as much HP as possible regardless of where in the powerband the power is. So, as long as the peak HP has improved, goal has been met, even if you have to lose HP in the lower RPM band.

2. Trust the data- don't ignore science and do things some bass-ackwards way and expect the outcome to be what you wanted. Seat of the pants feelings, guesses, speculation- all those things can mislead you. If you mod your car and you think it "feels" faster but it gets worse ET's now, your car is now slower. Your feelings mislead you. Engine tuning isn't a popularity contest or a fashion show- it's a science.

Ans. - Import enthusiasts have always used data and you sound like you're saying they don't. But what's the purpose of modding if there is no emotional, feeling, adrenaline rush for a return on investment for making the mod?

3. Performance is what matters- If your car revs to 10,000 rpm and you just lost a race to someone who only had to rev at 6,000 rpm, you lost that race. Saying "but my car revs to 10,000 rpm" doesn't change the facts.

Tell that to some Mustang 5.0 liter fanboy who loses to a 1.6 liter Civic and all his excuses are "there is no replacement for displacement" because there apparently is (ie. FI and tuning at high RPMS)

4. Be modest- a sleeper is better than an outrageously obnoxious ricebox. An SRT-4 Neon with stock exhaust is better than an older Neon with a fart can on it. It's faster and quieter.

Some "outrageously obnoxious ricebox" with stickers to boot can spank stock versions, so why not show it off? A riced out SRT-4 with larger free flowing exhaust, headwork, etc, with wings, is faster than stock SRT-4, so why not show it off?

5. Plastering your car with stickers makes one look like a fool.

If I want to show that I have a Greddy intake, Apexi exhaust, Neuspeed springs, then I will do so with stickers to prove that I have those mods. What about people who own Harleys and choppers and put outrageous sticker designs? To each their own!

1. why would make more hp, put mopre stress on engine and yet still drive a slower car? you DONT do anythnig for hp, you do it for speed. it's the 60ft, 0-60 5-60 and 1/4,1/8, 1/2 mile times that are important not HP, cause when a 300hp civic spanks your 350hp civic on the strip, how bad are you gonna feel? hp isnt everything, true racers look at handling and brakingamong other aspects. on acircuit course like road atlanta, or a dragstrip, i gurantee you, my mr2 with "ONLY" 245hp/190tq(not including a +50hp nos shot) will out perform you in a civic even with 350-400hp.

2. both are somewhat right.

3. no comment

4. while a new exhaust may gain you some hp, do you dont really believe a obnoxiously large wing/messed up bodykit or stickers makes you faster? cause i got some get rich quick schemes to sell you...

5. visuals are to each their own, but stickers for companies that don't really pay you to pit it on your car makes you look like some kid looking for trouble. who's the cop gonna pulled over on a highway for speeding first if we were driving side by side? me in my stock body but turboed/engine swapped mr2 spyder or your civic with a huge wing and stickers plastered on it's side and an obnoxisiosly loud exhaust?

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: phreakah
yea this thread got fvcked up real fast

i love car threads... it always brings out the people with the biggest e-penises.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: J0hnny
Some "outrageously obnoxious ricebox" with stickers to boot can spank stock versions, so why not show it off? A riced out SRT-4 with larger free flowing exhaust, headwork, etc, with wings, is faster than stock SRT-4, so why not show it off?

Why not? Because the money you spent on the garbage that does nothing to your car's performance could be better spent on mods that actually do something.

If I want to show that I have a Greddy intake, Apexi exhaust, Neuspeed springs, then I will do so with stickers to prove that I have those mods. What about people who own Harleys and choppers and put outrageous sticker designs? To each their own!

Thanks. Just makes it easier for me to know which car to rob

 

[cavemanmoron]

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: phreakah
yea this thread got fvcked up real fast

i love car threads... it always brings out the people with the biggest e-penises.

 

[IGBT]

..many communities have established motor vehicle noise standards that are enforceable and withstood court challenges and there's movement towards noise standards enforced by the EPA via smog checks ie.OEM muffler equipment must be maintained and off road exhaust equipment found on vehicles/cycles registered for street use will be subject to fines and must be returned to OEM otherwise it can't be registered. I recall a biker in my hood that was very noisy..he finally got pulled over..I don't know what the ticket was for but I don't hear that noisy POS any more..so relief is on the way.

 

[Kishan]

AMDZen, In every post you have created, you have stated that something of yours will, "SPANK," someone else's. You sound like youre' fourteen.

Stop Posting.
courtesy of CorporateRecreation.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: cavemanmoron

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: phreakah
yea this thread got fvcked up real fast

i love car threads... it always brings out the people with the biggest e-penises.

you sold your camaro