a lot of people are saying "if you are a TRUE car enthusiast you'll love the sound". Well, the majority of the population aren't true ar enthusiast, so I really don't care if your car is loud and can make my windows vibrate, i really don't give a damn that you have a 400watt sub woofer. Besides, MOST people who make their cars loud and have sub woofers are there to show off, you know how many times i see those idiots drive, and then look around to see if people are looking at them? It isn't even about the car to them, its about how cool they look. on the other hand, when I do see people who truly love their machines, they don't drive for the image. I know someone who put all power in his civic, but that's it, everythign is just under the hood, he doesn't step on the gas to purposely make his car loud and show off how fast he can take off.
You already called my Z a POS, and demanded that I tell you my mods and produce dyno and timeslip data. I will do this, as soon as you back up some of your claims, about your Civic, Blazer, and friend's S2000 that will "most definitely" beat my car.
I already know that if I post my data that you're just going to BS your way through the comparison much like you BSed your way through this thread. If I say that I had 300 HP at the rear wheels, you'll say that your blazer has 301 HP at the rear wheels. If I say I ran a 13.5@105, you'll say that you ran a 13.4 @ 106. I don't trust your integrity or your claimed knowledge.
I also agree, but a lot of cars can sound good... not just the B16 motor or Hondas for that matter...
I know how fast hondas can be, and I know they are reliable, well liked cars.
My friend has a 92 civic hatch with a b16 (si) swap, apparently it has an ECU, exhaust, and CAI, and with some weight redux the car runs 13.8's all day long at the track on street tires.
truly impressive IMO.. and it sounds badass too.
Please, I am NOT going to argue with a dude named "chowmein" in a thread about rice. It just wouldn't be right!
AMDZen
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Yea I've kind of learned that. It always feels like me against the world. I just find it irritating since most people don't even know about Honda's. They think "why should I, they are slow" and for the most part, they are right. They are slow(er) then most cars people compare them too, but they are such awesome pieces of engineering its hard not to respect the he|| out of them. If you actually have an open mind and research the facts that is.
Back on the loud vs quiet issue..
I too had a 91 TTZ.
The best mod I ever did was put an $1100 stainless exhaust system on it.
then...
2 years later...
The best mod I ever did was put the stock exhuast back on it.
There is a lot to be said for the rumble (not deafening nonsense) of a high performance vehicle with a free flowing exhaust. I like listening to my engine and it was a blast revving the engine and feeling the exhaust vibrating your chest.
HOWEVER
There is a lot to be said for a fast car with a quiet exhaust. It says something about the owner, namely that you know your car is fast but you want to be able to drive down the road and hear yourself think sometimes.
The other day I was driving my Durango to work, and I almost rear ended some idiot in a lowered civic with a 5" exhaust tip who was coming to a near-dead-stop in the road so he could drive over some train tracks. I got a real chuckle out of his loud exhaust - I could actually hear him flooring it for about 500' as I swerved around, gave him the finger, and proceeded to out accelerate him in a (quiet) 5000 lb suv.
I too had a 91 TTZ.
The best mod I ever did was put an $1100 stainless exhaust system on it.
then...
2 years later...
The best mod I ever did was put the stock exhuast back on it.
There is a lot to be said for the rumble (not deafening nonsense) of a high performance vehicle with a free flowing exhaust. I like listening to my engine and it was a blast revving the engine and feeling the exhaust vibrating your chest.
HOWEVER
There is a lot to be said for a fast car with a quiet exhaust. It says something about the owner, namely that you know your car is fast but you want to be able to drive down the road and hear yourself think sometimes.
The other day I was driving my Durango to work, and I almost rear ended some idiot in a lowered civic with a 5" exhaust tip who was coming to a near-dead-stop in the road so he could drive over some train tracks. I got a real chuckle out of his loud exhaust - I could actually hear him flooring it for about 500' as I swerved around, gave him the finger, and proceeded to out accelerate him in a (quiet) 5000 lb suv.
If you haven't dyno'd it, then you can't make any power claims about it since you can't back it up.
For a second I was starting to understand where you're coming from, but then you jump out of nowhere and make more stupid assumptions.
Of course I respect Honda's motors. I love the idea of a light, super-efficient motor that will run forever and makes decent power. Why do you suppose I like my 4AGE? Anyone can make power, but making it out of a small, light package and making it reliably is difficult, and takes a lot of engineering.
Until you learn to stop assuming you're telepathic and stop misrepresenting peoples' opinions, you should really quiet down.
AMDZen
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I admit that may be wrong to call it a POS, I just get frustrated because its doubtful that you even know what a B16 is, much less what it sounds like.
Thats fine if you don't trust me. I don't care.
I just told you what I had, so I can't BS anymore can I?? The blaze is quick though, and at sea level would pull 13 flat, or high 12s.
The Dart has a 440 in it BTW, so when it runs again and you know anything about cars, you will know its a quick runnin SOB
I had a '88 CRX a few years ago and wanted to put a B16A in it but never did go through with it. With the car I have now, I wouldn't even be able to hear the sound of any cars around me anyways. You can put a fire truck next to me with its sirens blaring and I still wouldn't be able to hear it
To start, it's "you're". Second, non of thoes honda motors can be compared to the sound of a ferrari. That's a ridiculous statement to make, blasphemy!
Third, don't be a dick, I was joking around.
You keep bringing up the "SOUND OF THE MOTOR", how many times are you going to scream that? Motors are in cars, not sitting in a motor dyno cage with no car and no exhaust. That's a pointless statement to make. The car as a whole will sound different wether you are sitting in it, standing in front of it, standing behind it, on the side, 100 feet away, etc.
Differentiating the sound between the "SOUND OF THE MOTOR" and the sound of the exhaust is splitting hairs when the engine is installed in a road worthy car.
Throughout this whole thread you've been making personal attacks, using logical fallacies all over the place and just being a general jackass. Everyone else has picked up on it and you are ultimately going to come out of this tread looking like a tool (or more of a tool than you already look like now). So you've killed this thread just like the stereotypical rice boy, congratulations.
AMDZen
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Again I apologize. Once again, I do assume since people INSTANTLY bad mouth Honda's that they are just hating, and not really knowledgable. I admit this is just being presumtuous. So again, I will apologize that I presume that a lot of people have no idea about Honda motors, even if it is true a lot of the time.
that type of ignornance is exactly why any arguement btw any fan boy is pointless. it gets so personal. and you're dissing on me b/c of my handle? grow the fvck up
I, however, do.
Most Honda zealots think Hondas are such marvels of engineering because they don't know much about engineering. They use ridiculous arguments such as "power per liter" because they don't realize that a smaller engine will usually have more power per liter due to basic physics. And since Honda has some of the smallest engines, they'll make some of the highest HP/liter.
But that's an idiot's argument. A knowledgeable person would not care about HP/L or max RPM, they'd car more about power/weight ratio and usable powerband.
Mod for a purpose- if your purpose is to make more power, then do mods which give you the most power. Don't blow money on expensive yet ineffective mods because you think that's the "respectable" way to make power. In the end, the performance is what matters. How you came about to get it doesn't. That's only the means, not the end.
AMDZen
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I've apologized on some of my outbursts. LoL, but I'm not going to apologize to you. Most people just don't know what Ferrari's sound like, and those who do could equate some similarity between a B16 and the 3.5L 350. Like I said, I know it does sound rediculous. But unless someone has heard them both, then they wouldn't be able to draw any logic from what I said. Its hardly blasphemy.
Good day to you sir.
i hardly ever listen to the radio anymore.. it's always windows down and me listening to the roar of the VQ in my 350Z i love the sound at redline
i love the sound at redline I agree and IMO it's not arguable... performance is king in the end, and if you take 2 cars to the track, and they are both the same weight, but the Honda loses because the other car has boost, it still lost, no matter what.
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Originally posted by: CraigRT
I agree and IMO it's not arguable... performance is king in the end, and if you take 2 cars to the track, and they are both the same weight, but the Honda loses because the other car has boost, it still lost, no matter what.
But see. This isn't true. What about someone like me who has a different car for different purposes?? Why should I have a daily driver that I ALSO take to the track?
I like my Honda as a daily driver. It gets awesome gas mileage, does well in snow (fwd) and also sounds good with good performance all around. Awesome breaking, handlign and decent power.
So why would I need to mod my Honda when thats what its for?? Only going to work and back?? Where as the dart is the track car. And the Blaze is the sometimes snow, 4x muddin and stuff car?
You can't see this argument?
Hey, AMDZen - just put this on your Civic and get the best of both worlds!
BTW, the car in my sig has a four inch pipe, it's mAd tYt3, and it sounds totally like a Ferrari with a HEMI.
- M4H
BTW, the car in my sig has a four inch pipe, it's mAd tYt3, and it sounds totally like a Ferrari with a HEMI.
- M4H
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: CraigRT
I agree and IMO it's not arguable... performance is king in the end, and if you take 2 cars to the track, and they are both the same weight, but the Honda loses because the other car has boost, it still lost, no matter what.
But see. This isn't true. What about someone like me who has a different car for different purposes?? Why should I have a daily driver that I ALSO take to the track?
I like my Honda as a daily driver. It gets awesome gas mileage, does well in snow (fwd) and also sounds good with good performance all around. Awesome breaking, handlign and decent power.
So why would I need to mod my Honda when thats what its for?? Only going to work and back?? Where as the dart is the track car, and sometimes snow, 4x muddin and stuff car?
You can't see this argument?
I can see the argument, yes, but I was simply just agreeing with the fact that performance speaks for itself, it a car is faster, its faster, period.
I respect what you think about your car, I have a 2k1 Neon R/T, and it is fun to drive and gets OK gas mileage too.. at 5,000 RPM my secondary throttle plates open up and the car just screams upto 7k RPM, and although it's not the fastest car out there, it's enjoyable enough. I'm not really any different than you are here!
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