Why are trucks excluded in the anti-SUV crowd?

[3L33T32003]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Good Lord! Do I have to spell this out "Sesame Street" style?

SUV=Sport Utility Vehicle=Owner must take off road once in a while or they're... pretenders?

SS, RS, Spyder, Si, GX...=Sports Car=Owner must run in rally or closed race course or... no biggie?

Why MUST the SUV be used for it's "intended purpose", but NOT the sports car?

Most "SUV's" built today are not intended for off-road use. If they get scratched or dinged that reduces the ego factor for the user.
Sports cars, on the other hand, are built to go from point a to point b faster than regular cars...and are regularly used in that fashion. I see a big diff.
Also, you have to get into the 100k range on a sports car before you start seeing gas mileage like an SUV...and those cars are NOT daily drivers...again a big diff.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Good Lord! Do I have to spell this out "Sesame Street" style?

SUV=Sport Utility Vehicle=Owner must take off road once in a while or they're... pretenders?

SS, RS, Spyder, Si, GX...=Sports Car=Owner must run in rally or closed race course or... no biggie?

Why MUST the SUV be used for it's "intended purpose", but NOT the sports car?

Technically, you get the benefits of driving a sporty car in just about any daily driving.

SUV owners can get the same benefits minus the unnecessary off-road ability and gas guzzling by driving a station wagon.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Because trucks are UV's or utility vehicles. People actually use pickup trucks for their intended purpose once in a while but most people with SUV's and cellphones are strictly a nuisance/hazard to other peoples health/comfort level.

It's really pretty simple to see the diff.

I thought so too.

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: 3L33T32003

Originally posted by: Ornery
Good Lord! Do I have to spell this out "Sesame Street" style?

SUV=Sport Utility Vehicle=Owner must take off road once in a while or they're... pretenders?

SS, RS, Spyder, Si, GX...=Sports Car=Owner must run in rally or closed race course or... no biggie?

Why MUST the SUV be used for it's "intended purpose", but NOT the sports car?

Most "SUV's" built today are not intended for off-road use. If they get scratched or dinged that reduces the ego factor for the user.
Sports cars, on the other hand, are built to go from point a to point b faster than regular cars...and are regularly used in that fashion. I see a big diff.
Also, you have to get into the 100k range on a sports car before you start seeing gas mileage like an SUV...and those cars are NOT daily drivers...again a big diff.

Nor are "Sports Cars" from the factory built to be taken on a road course. I see NO DIFFERENCE in this hypocrisy!

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Ornery
I see NO DIFFERENCE in this hypocrisy!

Possibly because you're biased?

 

[Ornery]

Because what I said is flippin' true, f-tard!

Thick doesn't even BEGIN to describe some of you econobox jocks.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Because what I said is flippin true, f-tard!

Every year at Lowes Motor Speedway, Mustang drivers are allowed to drive their cars on the track. They do pretty well stock. You can also rent an hour of track time to run any car not designed for race courses.

Face it, SUVs are designed to haul groceries for people who see themselves as too cool to own station wagons, and too self-righteous to care about anyone else.

Thick doesn't even BEGIN to describe some of you econobox jocks.

<---- Drives a SAAB 9-5.

 

[Ornery]

Christ, and some SUVs are Jeeps. Face it, the anti-SUV crowd are HYPOCRITS!

 

[dolph]

ornery, you're right to an extent. most people with sports cars will never take them on the track, just as most people with suvs will never take them offroad. yet, there is a difference, which i hope to explain to you here:
as it was mentioned before, you get most of the benefits of a sports car in everyday driving, eg handling, acceleration, etc. usually not true of suvs. furthermore, it was also pointed out that suvs get worse mileage than sports cars. i think the main argument is that for the most part, an suv does nothing a minivan can't do better, cheaper, and safer (at least to other people outside the suv). it's as much a status thing as a sports car, but since you get to use a sports car more true to its original purpose more often, it isn't as bad as someone who gets a lincoln navigator.

example:
"wow, look at that corvette. that's a waste of money, but it sure is fun to drive"
"wow, look at that humvee. that's a waste of money... and it's really big"

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Good Lord! Do I have to spell this out "Sesame Street" style?

SUV=Sport Utility Vehicle=Owner must take off road once in a while or they're... pretenders?

SS, RS, Spyder, Si, GX...=Sports Car=Owner must run in rally or closed race course or... no biggie?

Why MUST the SUV be used for it's "intended purpose", but NOT the sports car?

Or, why must the SUV be used off-road, but not a 4x4 pickup that never sees dirt except maybe the occasional driveway?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Christ, and some SUVs are Jeeps. Face it, the anti-SUV crowd are HYPOCRITS!

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: Ornery

Originally posted by: 3L33T32003

Originally posted by: Ornery
Good Lord! Do I have to spell this out "Sesame Street" style?

SUV=Sport Utility Vehicle=Owner must take off road once in a while or they're... pretenders?

SS, RS, Spyder, Si, GX...=Sports Car=Owner must run in rally or closed race course or... no biggie?

Why MUST the SUV be used for it's "intended purpose", but NOT the sports car?

Most "SUV's" built today are not intended for off-road use. If they get scratched or dinged that reduces the ego factor for the user.
Sports cars, on the other hand, are built to go from point a to point b faster than regular cars...and are regularly used in that fashion. I see a big diff.
Also, you have to get into the 100k range on a sports car before you start seeing gas mileage like an SUV...and those cars are NOT daily drivers...again a big diff.

Nor are "Sports Cars" from the factory built to be taken on a road course. I see NO DIFFERENCE in this hypocrisy!

What's next? Telling people with planes that they have to fly them?

 

[Ornery]

You can argue all those things. Gas mileage, safety and obstructed view of others. NONE of those are what I'm bitching about. My gripe is with the "intended purpose" crap. Stupid monikers are slapped on vehicles of all types, with no bearing on what the vehicles are actually going to be used for. Just as spoilers are slapped on the back of FWD vehicles that will never see the far side of 90MPH, brush guards are slapped on front of SUVs that will never see a dirt road, let alone brush. Same thing to me.

My replies to the other gripes:

• Use too much gas?
  Ain't your money.
  
  Too big to see around?
  Tough!
  
  Not safe to other cars?
  You made your choice.
  
  Other gripes?
  Damn, you guys have issues!

BTW, I don't own an SUV or pickup. I'd buy either one of those over an econobox, though. These are among the last V8, full framed RWD vehicles this country produces. Now THAT'S something to bitch about!

 

[Tiger]

That and the fact they are bloody huge and eat up parking space, make it hard to see around, are generally less safe due to poorer handling and higher rates of rollover

1. Maybe SUV's wouldn't be so "hard to see arouind" if you were driving a full grown car and not a glorified go cart.
2. By anybody's measure SUV's are way safer in vehicle on vehicle collisions than the popular spam cans.
3. The only time SUV's roll over is when the driver tries driving them like a sportscar.

If you get intimidated by the size of the vehicles you drive around or near park your vehicle and walk. A scared driver is a dangerous driver.
You suppose we should outlaw semi-tractor/trailers too?

 

[Parrotheader]

Those stat numbers somebody mentioned earlier (70% of Toyota owners never using their truck bed) seem WAY off to me. I'm sure he's got a link to back it up, but where did they take that poll? In a urban, white collar neighborhood inhabited only by lawyers? Maybe they meant the bed wasn't in use 70% of the time or something like that. THat seems more understandable. I know in the South, odds are if you have a truck bed you're going to use it regularly. Sure there are a percentage of fancy, flashy trucks whose truck beds hardly ever get used, but most of the pickups I've seen are either in use or you can tell they've been in use regularly.

We recently got a compact 4-door pickup (I love this thing) because after having nothing but sedans since we've been driving we discovered we definitely needed the extra space to haul stuff - having a house with a big yard with LOTS of trees, my keeping equipment in my vehicle for work for a local soccer club after hours and just life in general have made the need obvious. SUVs were out because I needed and wanted to be able to haul akward shaped objects and dirty stuff like tree limbs and mulch without having to worry about fitting it in the back of an SUV or worrying about messing up the interior. Even though it's a compact pickup with a shortened bed it's infinitely more useful for this purpose than large SUVs like an Expedition which we recently discovered when helping move a friend - my boss' Expedition ended up mainly used to carry smaller and midsized stuff since you couldn't easily fit big things like recliners, sofas, a refrigerator or even large lamps in its seemingly large interior (sometimes they'd fit, it was just a colossal pain to cram them in there whereas we could pretty much toss them in the truck and go.) I can't haul the HUGE stuff a full-size pickup can, but it works perfectly for my needs 90% of the time, gets decent mileage, and has 4-doors which we'll need for a baby seat in the next year or two. I can see why 4-door pickups are becoming a lot more popular now as they seem to be much more useful for one of the primary reasons why most people got SUVs in the first place (i.e., the room to haul stuff.)

 

[psteng19]

Originally posted by: Ornery
You can argue all those things. Gas mileage, safety and obstructed view of others. NONE of those are what I'm bitching about. My gripe is with the "intended purpose" crap. Stupid monikers are slapped on vehicles of all types, with no bearing on what the vehicles are actually going to be used for. Just as spoilers are slapped on the back of FWD vehicles that will never see the far side of 90MPH, brush guards are slapped on front of SUVs that will never see a dirt road, let alone brush. Same thing to me.

My replies to the other gripes:

• Use too much gas?
  Ain't your money.
  
  Too big to see around?
  Tough!
  
  Not safe to other cars?
  You made your choice.
  
  Other gripes?
  Damn, you guys have issues!

BTW, I don't own an SUV or pickup. I'd buy either one of those over an econobox, though. These are among the last V8, full framed RWD vehicles this country produces. Now THAT'S something to bitch about!

Because "intended purpose" is only ONE of the MANY reasons why SUV's are hated.
What's so hard to understand?

Other than the fact that they never go off-road and suck up extreme amounts of gas unnecessarily (which I don't give a crap about), it's because I can't see over them (gives me less time to react), they're less safe (whether they rollover and hurt themselves/others or crash into smaller cars such as mine), when they're behind/tailgating me their lights reflect off my mirrors straight into my eye (not even talking about the highbeams), poor handling and braking/stopping distance (again, greater chance that they'll rear end me), etc.

 

[Ornery]

Because "intended purpose" is only ONE of the MANY reasons why SUV's are hated..."

...and that's the ONLY point I'm bitching about! What exactly IS so hard to understand?

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: Tiger

That and the fact they are bloody huge and eat up parking space, make it hard to see around, are generally less safe due to poorer handling and higher rates of rollover

1. Maybe SUV's wouldn't be so "hard to see arouind" if you were driving a full grown car and not a glorified go cart.

How does the size of my car change the size of their car?

2. By anybody's measure SUV's are way safer in vehicle on vehicle collisions than the popular spam cans.

Yeah, safer for the person in the SUV...

3. The only time SUV's roll over is when the driver tries driving them like a sportscar.

So why did they by an SUV and not a sportscar?

If you get intimidated by the size of the vehicles you drive around or near park your vehicle and walk. A scared driver is a dangerous driver.
You suppose we should outlaw semi-tractor/trailers too?

Nobody is intimidated by the size of the vehicle, we're intimidated by the fact that the soccer mom driving it is on a cell phone with 3 screaming kids in back. Nice example, NEXT!

 

[Tiger]

we're intimidated by the fact that the soccer mom driving it is on a cell phone with 3 screaming kids in back. Nice example

Then ban Cell phone use while driving. Wait a minute, we can't do that. That could actually solve a safety problem.
Rather than ban cell phone use in moving vehicles lets just ban the vehicle.
Moron.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Christ, and some SUVs are Jeeps. Face it, the anti-SUV crowd are HYPOCRITS!

i believe the saying is: My Jeep is not an SUV and your SUV is not a Jeep.


That being said. I own a Jeep and i offroad with it. I do not drive it everyday, nor do i commute in it. It is strictly for offroading and transportation to and from offroading site. I have a little econobox for my daily driver.

I do find it funny to buy a $40,000 sports car and use it to commute to and from work. It is just as funny as a woman driving to the supermarket in her excursion. I believe the main reason SUVs are hated is because the size, weight, danger factor. We have all seen the idiot doing 90mph in rush hour weaving back in forth in an SUV. No SUV handles like a car, they cant.

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: Tiger

we're intimidated by the fact that the soccer mom driving it is on a cell phone with 3 screaming kids in back. Nice example

Then ban Cell phone use while driving. Wait a minute, we can't do that. That could actually solve a safety problem.
Rather than ban cell phone use in moving vehicles lets just ban the vehicle.
Moron.

Nobody wants to ban the vehicle. We've complaning about the fact that dangerous, incompetant drivers are taking control of some of the largest, most dangerous vehicles on the road, with an utter disregard for their potential.

Oh yeah... Moron.

 

[NFS4]

Syringer, I've been asking this same question many times in the SUV bashing threads for the better part of 2 years. The hypocritical idiots always bring it back to the SUV being for posers who never use their vehicles off-road. SO WHAT!!!??

1) Pickup trucks are just as long (most of the times longer than their SUV counterpart), wider, and as tall and get just as bad gas mileage.
2) Pickup trucks are driven by "posers" too. I could go all day long and spot out big Ram 1500s Quad cabs or F-150 crews my lover and span clean with clean bedliners on. 9/10 times the most I see loaded in a "consumer" pickup is a few boxes or a couple of dogs. And I do see the occasional diesel F-350 or Silverado/Sierra pulling a trailer. Truth be told, I see more SUVs (Tahoes and Grand Cherokees) pulling stuff than I do trucks.
3) Most of these compact crew cab pickups can't hold much of ANYTHING (Tacoma, Frontier, S10, etc) anyway.
4) Most of the times, the only pickups that I see doing anything "useful" are those used by businesses and contractors.

The fact of the matter is, when it's my money, I'll buy whatever the hell I want. Just as people who have SUV's will buy whatever the hell they want. Bad gas mileage? I can afford it. Not easy to handle? Go back to driving school.

Or how about complaining about minivans "blocking" your view or "cargo vans" like the Chevy Astro/Express, Ford Econoline, GMC Savanna, etc. The point is, if you have problem driving around suvs, then you need to go back to driving school...god forbid you get behind a semi on the highway...you might crawl down into the footwell of your Geo Metro and cry yourself to sleep like a little bitch. Go back to drivers ed. You don't DEPEND on looking through the glass car in front of you for making decisions. You can't DEPEND on that. Is it nice to have that security though, sure...but it's not a certainty by any means. What if you are behind a panel van, or a semi, or a pickup with a camper shell on it, or a mobile home. Are you gonna sit there and cry like a little bitch and say you can't see? If you are behind an Accord that has 3 people in the back seat blocking your view through the car, are you gonna bitch and moan and scream bloody murder? No, you use what you learned in driver's ed.

If you are driving so close that you can't make snap decisions on changing lanes or what's ahead of you, then it's your own damn fault. Stay a safe distance and keep tabs on the taillamps of the vehicle in front of you. Also pay close attention to the CHMSL on vehicles in front of you. If you need to change lanes, use your eyes and your mirrors and stop relying on "freebies"

I personally know how to drive vehicle from as small as my old '87 Pontiac Sunbird to vehicles as large as my dad's '97 Ford F-150 4x4 long bed with a camper shell. I know how to maneuver around vehicle larger than me and how to approach them. If YOU can't, that's your problem.

As for this bullsh!t about "intended purposes," you tell me what the intended purpose is for these vehicles (I'll give mine):

Dodge Caravan - the ABILITY to haul many people at once
Chevy Corvette - haul two people with the ABILITY to reach 170MPH
Ford Explorer - haul 5 people + cargo with the ABILITY to go off-road
Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab - haul 5 people + cargo with the ABILITY to tow and go off-road
Honda Accord - the ABILITY to haul 5 people + small amount of cargo


Every car has the "ability" to do something. Just b/c you don't USE that ability doesn't mean that you are a loser. If a person doesn't drive their Corvette at 170MPH, I don't hold that against them. If a Carvan is driven by a soccermom and is only filled to capacity once a week, I don't care. If a Honda Accord is only filled with one passenger for 95% of the time, more power to them.

Stop bitching people out about what they drive. NOBODY here uses their vehicle the fullest extent possible. If you did, we'd have a lot of dead people on our hands.



And one other thing, for the pansy who said that he couldn't see around SUV's, your ass is sitting in front of the computer right now, isn't? Must not have been THAT bad or you'd be in a ditch somewhere.

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Ornery
Christ, and some SUVs are Jeeps. Face it, the anti-SUV crowd are HYPOCRITS!

i believe the saying is: My Jeep is not an SUV and your SUV is not a Jeep.

OK, try this. "Christ, and some SUVs are Land Rovers. Face it, the anti-SUV crowd are HYPOCRITS!"

How's that?

 

[Tiger]

Good job NFS4.
Nobody knows how to drive anymore.
Anti-lock brakes, speed sensitive steering, ride control. They've all contributed to a generation of piss poor drivers.
Used to be they taught people how to modulate brakes in drivers ed. Now people stomp on the pedal and depend on the computer to stop the car.
It's the great dumbing down of the american driver.

 

[KokomoGST]

Originally posted by: IGBT
How about all the gas ricers waste every night cruising looking for sideshows..doing donuts in the middle of intersections..racing around just to listen to their competition thumper audio and fart pipe too loud muffler..going nowhere fast.

Well, ricers can waste gas and still have better gas mileage than you... and most ricers can't do donuts because they mostly own fwd commuter cars. That's what happens when you make no power, heh.

My car gets pretty much 24mpg... more if I do lotsa highway driving, it's usually a weekend car but I could easily use it to commute. Turbo = decent economy when not boostin. Heck, like most people have already quoted, "sports cars" and even "sports sedans/coupes" all get better gas mileage than most SUVs. But then car-based SUVs get good mileage too.

The typical truck owner usually has a use for his truck... but then there are bad truck drivers out there too, just less of them. Majority of SUV drivers are car drivers that don't know how to drive an SUV.

EDIT: btw, I don't exclude trucks... bad drivers are bad drivers... ricers, sport truck poseurs, SUV soccer moms all can be equally crappy drivers. It's just that I hate all the money and time and effort manufacturers are dumping into SUVs and crossovers that could be going toward better passenger cars.