Why are those in europe being screwed on LCD prices?

[Bobthelost]

Dell US site price for a 2407 WFP: $679
Dell UK site price for a 2407 WFP: £567 = $1,051

Now, even with import duty (17.5% for the UK), shipping of say $50 and customs "we charge you because we can" charges of $50 (numbers translated into monopoly money to make your lives easier) it's still a hell of a lot cheaper to buy from the US and have it shipped than from the UK.

It's got to be cheaper for Dell to get the monitors into the UK than for me, economies of scale etc. So why are we being price gouged so much. Although to be fair to dell they aren't the only ones who's prices are stupidly high, the same goes for most monitors as far as i can see.

Second question, anyone know of a shop that sells good 23/24" widescreen LCDs that'll ship to the UK?

Signed Bob :| from the land of scones.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

I wish it were only monitors lol... Just about every single piece of hardware gets gauged to death here.. Its stupid

 

[Bobthelost]

CPUs aren't too bad, nor are Hard drives.

Motherboards aren't too badly gouged, but RAM and GPUs are pretty horrific.

 

[n7]

Heh it's the same thing in Canada, though not quite as bad.

:frown:

 

[BassBomb]

Originally posted by: n7
Heh it's the same thing in Canada, though not quite as bad.

:frown:

sometimes we get better prices ... but most often not

 

[otispunkmeyer]

we continually get the shaft

and today learnt our government spent £123 billion on quangos!.... (quasi non governmental organisation something), they are government advisory groups,.... and believe it or not theres one which advises the gov on british potatoes!

they get too m uch money out of us, thats for damn sure.....we get the shaft in so many ways its almost not worth earning money

 

[nullpointerus]

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
Dell US site price for a 2407 WFP: $679
Dell UK site price for a 2407 WFP: £567 = $1,051

Now, even with import duty (17.5% for the UK), shipping of say $50 and customs "we charge you because we can" charges of $50 (numbers translated into monopoly money to make your lives easier) it's still a hell of a lot cheaper to buy from the US and have it shipped than from the UK.

It's got to be cheaper for Dell to get the monitors into the UK than for me, economies of scale etc. So why are we being price gouged so much. Although to be fair to dell they aren't the only ones who's prices are stupidly high, the same goes for most monitors as far as i can see.

Either the companies are price-gouging, or the cost of expanding business into the U.K. is much higher. The latter could conceivably result in part from, for example, higher support costs from U.K. laws requiring stricter warranties although there are probably many reasons for the higher prices. You would probably be better informed getting answers straight from the companies in question than asking for political theories.

 

[shabby]

Solution, move to america the land of the free... or something like that.

 

[rawr1234]

canada isnt so bad since most places in the usa ship to canada for just a little bit more then shipping to the us

 

[xtknight]

There's a tax in Europe for LCDs with DVI.

 

[TheRyuu]

Originally posted by: xtknight
There's a tax in Europe for LCDs with DVI.

Really?
Why?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: xtknight
There's a tax in Europe for LCDs with DVI.

Really?
Why?

http://www.behardware.com/articles/638-...-the-new-size-that-will-take-over.html

The announcement for the release of the AL2216W didn´t come from the Europe or the US, but from the manufacturer?s Asian website. We read that it would feature a DVI input ? which is surprising considering that the AL2416W, its bigger brother, didn´t have one. Indeed, if some of the Asian countries and the US benefit from such a version (the US version is entirely black and is named Acer AL2216Wbd), its been lost in monitors for the old continent. In Europe, you have to make do with the AL2216W without DVI. The reason why there is no DVI input is easy. All wide monitors assembled outside of the European Union are considered as potential TVs and subject to a tax. There is an additional cost ? on the components ? of 14% that leads to a 20% price raise. Now we understand why Acer removed this input considering that the objective was to sell the cheapest monitor possible capable of interesting potential buyers of 17, 19 and 20 inch monitors.

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Originally posted by: xtknight
There's a tax in Europe for LCDs with DVI.

In addition to the 20% VAT? You'd get taxed on a tax to boot.

 

[TheRyuu]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: xtknight
There's a tax in Europe for LCDs with DVI.

Really?
Why?

http://www.behardware.com/articles/638-...-the-new-size-that-will-take-over.html

The announcement for the release of the AL2216W didn´t come from the Europe or the US, but from the manufacturer?s Asian website. We read that it would feature a DVI input ? which is surprising considering that the AL2416W, its bigger brother, didn´t have one. Indeed, if some of the Asian countries and the US benefit from such a version (the US version is entirely black and is named Acer AL2216Wbd), its been lost in monitors for the old continent. In Europe, you have to make do with the AL2216W without DVI. The reason why there is no DVI input is easy. All wide monitors assembled outside of the European Union are considered as potential TVs and subject to a tax. There is an additional cost ? on the components ? of 14% that leads to a 20% price raise. Now we understand why Acer removed this input considering that the objective was to sell the cheapest monitor possible capable of interesting potential buyers of 17, 19 and 20 inch monitors.

That sounds really gay.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: xtknight
There's a tax in Europe for LCDs with DVI.

Really?
Why?

http://www.behardware.com/articles/638-...-the-new-size-that-will-take-over.html

The announcement for the release of the AL2216W didn´t come from the Europe or the US, but from the manufacturer?s Asian website. We read that it would feature a DVI input ? which is surprising considering that the AL2416W, its bigger brother, didn´t have one. Indeed, if some of the Asian countries and the US benefit from such a version (the US version is entirely black and is named Acer AL2216Wbd), its been lost in monitors for the old continent. In Europe, you have to make do with the AL2216W without DVI. The reason why there is no DVI input is easy. All wide monitors assembled outside of the European Union are considered as potential TVs and subject to a tax. There is an additional cost ? on the components ? of 14% that leads to a 20% price raise. Now we understand why Acer removed this input considering that the objective was to sell the cheapest monitor possible capable of interesting potential buyers of 17, 19 and 20 inch monitors.

That sounds really gay.

There is nothing happy about it, our fellow geeks in the EU are suffering under the harsh taxes imposed by the EU.

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: xtknight
There's a tax in Europe for LCDs with DVI.

Really?
Why?

http://www.behardware.com/articles/638-...-the-new-size-that-will-take-over.html

The announcement for the release of the AL2216W didn´t come from the Europe or the US, but from the manufacturer?s Asian website. We read that it would feature a DVI input ? which is surprising considering that the AL2416W, its bigger brother, didn´t have one. Indeed, if some of the Asian countries and the US benefit from such a version (the US version is entirely black and is named Acer AL2216Wbd), its been lost in monitors for the old continent. In Europe, you have to make do with the AL2216W without DVI. The reason why there is no DVI input is easy. All wide monitors assembled outside of the European Union are considered as potential TVs and subject to a tax. There is an additional cost ? on the components ? of 14% that leads to a 20% price raise. Now we understand why Acer removed this input considering that the objective was to sell the cheapest monitor possible capable of interesting potential buyers of 17, 19 and 20 inch monitors.

That sounds really gay.

There is nothing happy about it, our fellow geeks in the EU are suffering under the harsh taxes imposed by the EU.

Perhaps it's their way of fighting the growing obesity epidemic.

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: xtknight
There's a tax in Europe for LCDs with DVI.

Really?
Why?

http://www.behardware.com/articles/638-...-the-new-size-that-will-take-over.html

The announcement for the release of the AL2216W didn´t come from the Europe or the US, but from the manufacturer?s Asian website. We read that it would feature a DVI input ? which is surprising considering that the AL2416W, its bigger brother, didn´t have one. Indeed, if some of the Asian countries and the US benefit from such a version (the US version is entirely black and is named Acer AL2216Wbd), its been lost in monitors for the old continent. In Europe, you have to make do with the AL2216W without DVI. The reason why there is no DVI input is easy. All wide monitors assembled outside of the European Union are considered as potential TVs and subject to a tax. There is an additional cost ? on the components ? of 14% that leads to a 20% price raise. Now we understand why Acer removed this input considering that the objective was to sell the cheapest monitor possible capable of interesting potential buyers of 17, 19 and 20 inch monitors.

That sounds really gay.

There is nothing happy about it, our fellow geeks in the EU are suffering under the harsh taxes imposed by the EU.

Perhaps it's their way of fighting the growing obesity epidemic.

The UK wouldn't be the fattest in Europe if we didn't include scotland...

Most of the price differnce is down to Currency Value & stupid EU Laws governing materials, disposal of materials etc. We do get a lot of money half-inched for no reason but we've grown accustomed to inflated prices now.

p.s. If you're American and plan on hiring a car in the UK.... expect to pay $7-8 a gallon on "gas". Just another example of "tax" causing high prices.

 

[Sonikku]

Don't like the prices? Don't pay them. Continuing to buy regardless of price only encourages this practice, despite complaining.

 

[Noema]

You are not alone. In Mexico everything is imported and there's no real retail price: a retailer can decide how much to charge for any product such as hardware.
They often choose to gouge as much as possible. The result? Insane prices. You think $1051 is too much? Try $2500+, which is how much it'd likely cost over here.

And don't forget salaries in here are less than 1/8 of those in the US and Europe. The enthusiast such as myself has no choice but to import directly, which tends to be pricey and tiresome, because most hardware stores like newegg or tigerdirect.com don't ship to latin america.

 

[Greenman]

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: xtknight
There's a tax in Europe for LCDs with DVI.

Really?
Why?

http://www.behardware.com/articles/638-...-the-new-size-that-will-take-over.html

The announcement for the release of the AL2216W didn´t come from the Europe or the US, but from the manufacturer?s Asian website. We read that it would feature a DVI input ? which is surprising considering that the AL2416W, its bigger brother, didn´t have one. Indeed, if some of the Asian countries and the US benefit from such a version (the US version is entirely black and is named Acer AL2216Wbd), its been lost in monitors for the old continent. In Europe, you have to make do with the AL2216W without DVI. The reason why there is no DVI input is easy. All wide monitors assembled outside of the European Union are considered as potential TVs and subject to a tax. There is an additional cost ? on the components ? of 14% that leads to a 20% price raise. Now we understand why Acer removed this input considering that the objective was to sell the cheapest monitor possible capable of interesting potential buyers of 17, 19 and 20 inch monitors.

That sounds really gay.

It?s the price of living in a socialist utopia. If you want huge social welfare, price protection for home grown goods, and all the free medical you want to wait in line for, you have to pay for it. That means taxes .

btw, thats all just a guess, I could be wrong.

 

[appu]

It's not just Europe and Latin America. I think any market other than the USA sees (and possibly Taiwan etc.) sees very high prices for most PC components. While CPUs aren't too bad here in India, everything else is much higher priced.

I got my Dell 2407FPW a couple of weeks back. When I ordered it almost a month back, I was charged the equivalent of 894 USD (incl. 4% VAT) and that was because Dell had a nearly 400 USD discount on the piece. After placing the order, I had to wait 2 weeks for Dell India to import it from Dell Malaysia. However, since the final price I paid (894 USD) wasn't really too bad compared to the 799 USD in the USA at that time (it's 720 now, I think) I didn't feel too bad about it.

There's been a fair amount of juggling of customs/import duties for PC peripherals, components and entire systems as well in recent times. A few years back, there used to be a flat 60% duty on everything related to PCs - including notebooks. Now notebooks can be imported without paying duty *provided* you get them on your own. If you have it imported while you're sitting here, there's still some amount of import duty to be paid. Similarly, components upto a certain value (roughly 500 USD) can be personally imported without paying any duties. Anything more and you have to fork out a certain %age (I think it's between 12 and 16%). A couple of years back, import duties were cut for all items except motherboards. This year's budget rolled that back and said only optical drives and a couple of other components can enjoy that privilege.

It's pretty confusing (and maddening, of course).

Regards,
appu

 

[Genx87]

Oppressive taxation in the EU
Import tarrifs
Their market and distribution system isnt as good as the US thanks to overly oppressive govt interference.

In the EU things we take for granted like Coke costs multiple more than it does in the United States.

 

[RichUK]

I love spending loads of money on expensive pc equipment.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: xtknight
There's a tax in Europe for LCDs with DVI.

Really?
Why?

http://www.behardware.com/articles/638-...-the-new-size-that-will-take-over.html

The announcement for the release of the AL2216W didn´t come from the Europe or the US, but from the manufacturer?s Asian website. We read that it would feature a DVI input ? which is surprising considering that the AL2416W, its bigger brother, didn´t have one. Indeed, if some of the Asian countries and the US benefit from such a version (the US version is entirely black and is named Acer AL2216Wbd), its been lost in monitors for the old continent. In Europe, you have to make do with the AL2216W without DVI. The reason why there is no DVI input is easy. All wide monitors assembled outside of the European Union are considered as potential TVs and subject to a tax. There is an additional cost ? on the components ? of 14% that leads to a 20% price raise. Now we understand why Acer removed this input considering that the objective was to sell the cheapest monitor possible capable of interesting potential buyers of 17, 19 and 20 inch monitors.

That sounds really gay.

There is nothing happy about it, our fellow geeks in the EU are suffering under the harsh taxes imposed by the EU.

those taxes are further compounded by the taxes and numerous stealth taxes that the UK gov imposes on us

*theres a blanket 17.5% tax applied to everything you buy.

*Petrol/diesel is mostly all tax.... last i heard 80% of what you pay for fuel lands in the governments pockets

*tabbaco and alcohol are both subject to large tax

*if your not clever about how you leave things like houses to your kids when you kick the bucket.... gordon brown steps in and helps himself to 40% of what you left in your will

*theres more stealth taxes, some to do with taxing already miniscule pentions

i mean seriously, the normal hard working brit gets completely shafted, people who dont earn alot almost neednt bother working. its much easier to claim benefits instead

and you'd think with all that cash from tax... our country would have great schools, hospitals, public transport and the like. but it doesnt. even the trains here are put to shame by some of our poorer european brothers.

our government wastes money on giving benefits to louts in jail, they even give abu hamza (muslim cleric with a hook for a hand who wishes death on the western world and would like to see a school massacre like that seen in russia done in the UK) benefits, they make sure the asylum seekers get housed and clothed and given mobile phones...no wonder they all wanna come here, and the best bit is.... its super easy to get in.

and again they've blown 123 billion pounds on useless Quango's

we get the shaft 24/7 and our government repays us by blowing the money on quangos, benefit hand outs and all expenses paid conferences about what colour office furniture should be. (in refernce to gov types who used tax payers money to decorate their offices)

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: xtknight
There's a tax in Europe for LCDs with DVI.

Really?
Why?

http://www.behardware.com/articles/638-...-the-new-size-that-will-take-over.html

The announcement for the release of the AL2216W didn´t come from the Europe or the US, but from the manufacturer?s Asian website. We read that it would feature a DVI input ? which is surprising considering that the AL2416W, its bigger brother, didn´t have one. Indeed, if some of the Asian countries and the US benefit from such a version (the US version is entirely black and is named Acer AL2216Wbd), its been lost in monitors for the old continent. In Europe, you have to make do with the AL2216W without DVI. The reason why there is no DVI input is easy. All wide monitors assembled outside of the European Union are considered as potential TVs and subject to a tax. There is an additional cost ? on the components ? of 14% that leads to a 20% price raise. Now we understand why Acer removed this input considering that the objective was to sell the cheapest monitor possible capable of interesting potential buyers of 17, 19 and 20 inch monitors.

That sounds really gay.

There is nothing happy about it, our fellow geeks in the EU are suffering under the harsh taxes imposed by the EU.

Perhaps it's their way of fighting the growing obesity epidemic.

The UK wouldn't be the fattest in Europe if we didn't include scotland...

Most of the price differnce is down to Currency Value & stupid EU Laws governing materials, disposal of materials etc. We do get a lot of money half-inched for no reason but we've grown accustomed to inflated prices now.

p.s. If you're American and plan on hiring a car in the UK.... expect to pay $7-8 a gallon on "gas". Just another example of "tax" causing high prices.

dont forget the Health and safety zealots..... playing PS2 is much safer than playing foot ball in the park.

no one shall ever get hurt EVAR!