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Why Are The Progressives Pro Abortion If They Are Anti Death Penalty?

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Texashiker said:
What purpose does abortion serve (besides in medically needed cases)?

How important is it to allow women to kill their unborn child?

Lets err on the side of safety and only allow abortions under certain circumstances.
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abortion cannot be reasonably compared to capital punishment. You're immune to reason. The question is how important is it to force women to deliver against their will for absolutely no other reason than to satisfy the demands of your stupid religion.
 
justoh said:
abortion cannot be reasonably compared to capital punishment. You're immune to reason. The question is how important is it to force women to deliver against their will for absolutely no other reason than to satisfy your stupid religion.
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For one, I am opposed to abortion on moral grounds, not religion.

Second, yes abortion can be compared to capital punishment as both are making people take responsibility for their actions.
 
it is perfectly ok to kill an unborn child?
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Um.... yes. Ever heard of Roe vs Wade. This issue has been settled for decades.

The boon to civilization that abortion brought is patently obvious....

As shown in the attached chart, abortion was legalized in the early 70's. In the early to mid 90s, right at the time all of those unwanted babies would have reached their criminal peak, the murder rate began falling. There appears to be a direct correlation between aborting unwanted children and reduced the violent crime rate in America.

So if a gang-banging welfare queen wants to kill off her unborn kid, who am I to stand in her way... go for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Violent_crime_rates_by_gender_1973-2003.jpg
 
bshole said:
As shown in the attached chart, abortion was legalized in the early 70's. In the early to mid 90s, right at the time all of those unwanted babies would have reached their criminal peak, the murder rate began falling. There appears to be a direct correlation between aborting unwanted children and reduced the violent crime rate in America.

So if a gang-banging welfare queen wants to kill off her unborn kid, who am I to stand in her way... go for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Violent_crime_rates_by_gender_1973-2003.jpg
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Damn, that argument is convincing. Will someone please point out the hole so I don't have to change my opinion 😉
 
bshole said:
Um.... yes. Ever heard of Roe vs Wade. This issue has been settled for decades.

The boon to civilization that abortion brought is patently obvious....

As shown in the attached chart, abortion was legalized in the early 70's. In the early to mid 90s, right at the time all of those unwanted babies would have reached their criminal peak, the murder rate began falling. There appears to be a direct correlation between aborting unwanted children and reduced the violent crime rate in America.

So if a gang-banging welfare queen wants to kill off her unborn kid, who am I to stand in her way... go for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Violent_crime_rates_by_gender_1973-2003.jpg
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Sounds like an excellent argument for mandatory abortions(and or sterilization) for gang-banging welfare queens.

Unless you think gang-banging welfare queens should have a right to extort money from and reign terror onto society :colbert:
 
Texashiker said:
You could have a broken condom that resulted in an unexpected pregnancy.

Girlfriend could have taken antibiotics that interfered with birth control pills and resulted in an unexpected pregnancy.

Girlfriend could have lied that she was on the pill.

It is not just a failed marriage that results in women having a choice, but men do not.


Progressives uphold the rights of women while trampling on the rights of men.
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You could have masturbated or performed oral sex and skipped all the unpleasant consequences of a dependent child now couldn't you? Your choice, your fault now isn't it!
Why should we care about people who willingly insert their dicks in a wood chipper and cry about it?
 
WHAMPOM said:
You could have masturbated or performed oral sex and skipped all the unpleasant consequences of a dependent child now couldn't you? Your choice, your fault now isn't it!
Why should we care about people who willingly insert their dicks in a wood chipper and cry about it?
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Because you're the one making them cry.
 
WHAMPOM said:
You could have masturbated or performed oral sex and skipped all the unpleasant consequences of a dependent child now couldn't you? Your choice, your fault now isn't it!
Why should we care about people who willingly insert their dicks in a wood chipper and cry about it?
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She could have masturbated or performed oral sex and skipped all the unpleasant consequences of a dependent child now couldn't she? Her choice, her fault now isn't it!
Why should we care about people who willingly have dicks in them and cry about it?
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Sounds like you just want to punish men for having sex. Isn't that exactly what progressives say about christian conservatives opposing abortion?
 
WHAMPOM said:
You could have masturbated or performed oral sex and skipped all the unpleasant consequences of a dependent child now couldn't you? Your choice, your fault now isn't it!
Why should we care about people who willingly insert their dicks in a wood chipper and cry about it?
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The woman could have given the guy a blow job and skipped all the unpleasant consequences of a dependent child, now couldn't they?

Why should we care if women kill their unborn child? Because its the right and moral thing to do.


The serial killer could have not raped and killed that 16 year old person. But they did, and now they must pay for their crime with their life.
 
What if progressives wanted a constitutional amendment recognizing a right to basic subsistence, like they do some European countries, because they think it's the moral thing to do. "Based on moral grounds" isn't an argument.

Conservatives would die of shock if their states had to provide meaningful assistance (welfare) to the indigent. Yet they want to employ the power of the state to coerce women into delivering, literally with absolutely no rational argument, and instead merely a vague reference to their dubious morality. You are free to your irrational opposition to abortion, but if everyone could use the govt to coerce people into doing what they believe, regardless of merit, we'd have a pretty silly society now wouldn't we? And we do!
 
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justoh said:
Conservatives would die of shock if their states had to provide meaningful assistance to the indigent.

Yet they want to employ the power of the state to coerce women into delivering, literally with absolutely no rational argument, merely a vague reference to their dubious morality.
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In both cases their is a difference between those who can not, and those who will not.

If someone can not work, then provide assistance for that person.

If a woman can not carry a child to term, then provide a safe abortion for her.

If someone will not work, then let that person starve.

If someone will not use birth control, then let that person face the consciousness of their actions.
 
Texashiker said:
In both cases their is a difference between those who can not, and those who will not.

If someone can not work, then provide assistance for that person.

If a woman can not carry a child to term, then provide a safe abortion for her.

If someone will not work, then let that person starve.

If someone will not use birth control, then let that person face the consciousness of their actions.
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Are you supposed to be moses or something?
 
justoh said:
Are you supposed to be moses or something?
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Just a conservative who believes people should take responsibility for their actions.

If someone is not willing to take responsibility, then the state should hold that person responsible.


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Progressives on the other hand:

Do not want to work? It's ok, here is some welfare.
Do want to to have that baby, get an abortion.
Killed someone, or a few dozen people, its ok, here is a free room, 3 meals a day and free health care for life.
 
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eskimospy said:
I assume you meant 'consequences'.
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You are correct, sorry about the spelling.

eskimospy said:
This really gets down to the root of it, which is a desire for women to be punished for having sex.
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Punished as in how? Forced to give birth and forced to take care of a child?

What about the father of the child? The state drags him into court and orders him to pay child support and provide health insurance. If he doesn't, then he goes to jail.

The difference is the woman has a choice.
 
eskimospy said:
I assume you meant 'consequences'. This really gets down to the root of it, which is a desire for women to be punished for having sex.
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Which is just like how Progressives treat men. They need to "man up" and take the consequences for having the audacity to have sex with a woman (even if she lied about BC or is a raped 12 year old by).

Funny how society will grant better treatment to adult women than raped pre-teen boys.
 
Texashiker said:
Punished as in how? Forced to give birth and forced to take care of a child?

What about the father of the child? The state drags him into court and orders him to pay child support and provide health insurance.

The difference is the woman has a choice.
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You said 'face the consequences'. The only real consequence is pregnancy, which abortion certainly fixes. Abortion is facing the consequences as much as giving birth.

As I've told nehalem god-knows-how-many times, if a baby is born both parents have an equal responsibility towards it. If the father has custody and the woman does not pay her share, she can be dragged into court just as well.

The deliberate obtuseness of why exactly a woman has a choice is getting really old, btw.
 
nehalem256 said:
Which is just like how Progressives treat men. They need to "man up" and take the consequences for having the audacity to have sex with a woman (even if she lied about BC or is a raped 12 year old by).

Funny how society will grant better treatment to adult women than raped pre-teen boys.
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I think I've taught you enough about this topic for one day, not that any of it will stick.

Why don't you go discuss it with your Canadian girlfriend and see what she thinks?
 
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