Why are the conservatives in power?

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: sandorski
True, but the US's far Left is a barely seen fringe and is certainly not descriptive of the Democrats.

Barely seen fringe?
I see peta, michael moore fans and anti-wto freaks all the time.

 

[Steeplerot]

Far Left does not = Democrats nor does the far left even like democrats or mainstream "liberals" who they consider part of the problem, that is unless you are trying to frame the issue from a GOP talking point. Reality check ppl.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: sandorski
True, but the US's far Left is a barely seen fringe and is certainly not descriptive of the Democrats.

Barely seen fringe?
I see peta, michael moore fans and anti-wto freaks all the time.

Good job stunt, one who was once a pretty moderate poster is already decended into throwing insults around like a little red state fascist, wow maybe can o worms is right, european types are losing it. Lets just pass you off as fringe right wing whacko canadian as you have been making yourself out to be, sound good?

Plenty of marginalizing to go around, welcome to the club.

 

[Stunt]

Consider me a right wing whacko all you want; keep in mind I will likely be endorsing the democrat nominee next election cycle...

Fact of the matter is; those are the far left we have been talking about...i don't see how any of those names are considered insults in your mind.

 

[Steeplerot]

I would back off the "freak" stuff then, to an average canadian they would think your globalization views would be pretty unconventional. You know what they say about casting stones.It is the ones you label as fringe that have the gall to break out of the status quo and bring forth fresh ideas time and time again. You tread a fine line in your own country and are not one to speak.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I would back off the "freak" stuff then, to an average canadian they would think your globalization views would be pretty unconventional. You know what they say about casting stones.

Since when have I ever cared about what other people think of my views?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I would back off the "freak" stuff then, to an average canadian they would think your globalization views would be pretty unconventional. You know what they say about casting stones.

Since when have I ever cared about what other people think of my views?

Then why do your have a 6k+ post count?

You are here to spout off just like everyone else.

Let's not even get into your "Proof I'm smart" tag.

The way I look at "fringe" people is, if I know a few of them, and mainstream people know of them and see/know them, it's not all that fringe in reality, there actually must be quite a few meaning they are not fringe, unless you are trying to be intellectually dishonest and discount someone. This is a common tactic by the right wing here in america, and it seems you are falling into that game.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I would back off the "freak" stuff then, to an average canadian they would think your globalization views would be pretty unconventional. You know what they say about casting stones.

Since when have I ever cared about what other people think of my views?

Then why do your have a 6k+ post count?

You are here to spout off just like everyone else.

Let's not even get into your "Proof I'm smart" tag.

Hehe,
I'm here for a multitude of reasons...spouting off i will admit happens time to time...but rare.
Why I'm here:
a) P&N is far more diverse than anything in Canada
b) US poltitics are far more interesting than Canadian
c) We can learn more from other countries and cultures
d) We can feed off each other's suggestions/opinions/experiences
e) P&N is somewhat intelligent

Edit: On fringe...I am definately an extremist in Canada; my views are not widely accepted or considered. In person, I hardly ever discuss politics and am no different than anyone else. As for the other side of the spectrum; i have lots of MM fans and anti-wto people as good friends from university. I wouldn't call them freaks in person; but i do think their political views are nuts

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Stunt

a) P&N is far more diverse than anything in Canada

In other words, you are admitting you are a fringe aspect in Canadian realm of politics and seeking acceptance where you find more common ground, nothing wrong with this, people always seek to be around like minded sorts, but labeling others freaks is what sends me red lights, you may want to think again Stunt, cheers.


On edit: You have to remember where you are getting a lot of your ideas from though, you spend a lot of time in here for a few years now and thus you have assimilated a lot of right wing ideaology from americans, I can see where you are coming from, but there is a reason why, it's like people who watch fox and realize how biased it is laughing at it, sooner or later they will start to agree if the big picture is not always in sight.

 

[Stunt]

You think I've become more right wing since coming here?

 

[Steeplerot]

You always had strong opinions Stunt just remember we will find what we seek.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
You always had strong opinions Stunt just remember we will find what we seek.

You are sounding as vague as Moonbeam!

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
You always had strong opinions Stunt just remember we will find what we seek.

You are sounding as vague as Moonbeam!

It's a bay area thing maybe

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: MonkeyK
Ultimately, the answer is that Repubs have done a better job marketing themselves than the Dems.

This includes things like convincing people that moderate Dems are way out to the left. That Repubs have moral values lacking in Dems. That Repubs believe in personal responsibility and that Dems do not. That Repubs have your liberty at heart and that Dems want to legislate personal behavior.

yeah, the blind faith of the followers is dangerous. (ie: Bush's illegal wire taps and followers turned a blind eye on the 4th amendment.)

Like Jim Jones, except only the followers (and the rest of america) are being shoved the kool-aid while those on top will move to another country when we're near the end of the doomsday spiral Bush set the country in.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Jmman
I think the conservatives are in power because the democratic party forgot the fairly "centrist" stance that made Clinton so popular. The farther left the democratic party gets, the less popular they will become.

and yet democrats are so critical of Hillary for maintaining a centrist or even slightly right-ish stance.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Stunt
The Republicans most recently have been far more inclusive than the Democrats have. (at least the republicans are really trying, the democrats take their support for granted)

people like you are really creepy. on the surface, you almost seem like a decent person. scratch the surface, and you get someone willing to sacrifice the rights of citizens who are disliked by the majority (i.e., gay people) for the sake of winning power.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Stunt
The Republicans most recently have been far more inclusive than the Democrats have. (at least the republicans are really trying, the democrats take their support for granted)

people like you are really creepy. on the surface, you almost seem like a decent person. scratch the surface, and you get someone willing to sacrifice the rights of citizens who are disliked by the majority (i.e., gay people) for the sake of winning power.

It is creepy

 

[fjord]

The U.S. has evolved into a virtual one party orthodox political system. The illusion that more than one political party exists is a sweet dream--but reality is clearly another matter. There are few differences between the major players.

Who specifically is administrating our country right now is largely a matter of stupidity, greed, apathy and fear. Fear is a large motivating factor at the moment--but stupidity can never be overstated nor underestimated.

 

[Stunt]

aidanjm, I'm not advocating reduced rights for anyone. I believe there are problems far bigger than these wedge issues the republicans keep throwing out there. These issues do need to be addressed, but starting a heads on battle will accomplish nothing but divide.

I was merely pointing out how hard the republicans are working to bring people into their party.

 

[piasabird]

The Liberal party is led by too many ultra liberal people who have thrown away their core values to support gay rights and abortion. To top it off they do not have any visible message or appeal for moderate or conservative minded people that work and live in America. The Democrats use to represent workers in America, but now it seems their entire message is a hatred for Bush and Conservatives and a thirst for power. They care more for controlling people than they do for the welfare of Americans.

Their biggest problem is that in the last election their enitre election campaign was Anti-Bush. They seem to have no real message at all. The republicans failed to defeat Clinton in his run for the second term on an Anti-Clinton Campaign. All of the Democrats whatched this, but they failed to even recognize it as a problem. Thus they failed to learn from the mistakes of the Republican party, and were doomed to repeat them.

The Democratic Party use to be known as a party that wanted what was best for the Poor and really seemed to care about the people. Now their entire message seems to be one of negativity and hate. When they caused the wife of the supreme court nominee cry, America was watching their demonstration of hatred and their thirst for power above all other concerns. They saw the hatred in the hearts of the leaders of the Democratic Party. I think it will be a long time before they forget that.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: piasabird
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The Democratic Party use to be known as a party that wanted what was best for the Poor and really seemed to care about the people. Now their entire message seems to be one of negativity and hate. When they caused the wife of the supreme court nominee cry, America was watching their demonstration of hatred and their thirst for power above all other concerns. They saw the hatred in the hearts of the leaders of the Democratic Party. I think it will be a long time before they forget that.

Just for the record, it was one of the Republicans who brought her to tears while he was busy pontificating about how wonderful her husband was. It was not a Dem.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: K1052
The Democrats also need to quit stepping so eagerly on the landmine issues laid out by the Republicans (like gun control) that gain them nothing and only cost votes.

Here in IL our Democratic governer ran on a platform that promised no new restrictive gun laws. That coupled with the fact that the previous Republican governer was a shameless crook let him carry downstate and the election. Turns out he was lying through his teeth and has tried to get extremely restrictive laws passes at least once a session.

QFT. Blowholavich is a piece of scum and needs to be voted out ASAP

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Jmman
I think the conservatives are in power because the democratic party forgot the fairly "centrist" stance that made Clinton so popular. The farther left the democratic party gets, the less popular they will become.

and yet democrats are so critical of Hillary for maintaining a centrist or even slightly right-ish stance.

you mean like her pro-censorship attitude?

 

[jackschmittusa]

As far as I am concerned, Hillary blew it way back when, when she was on the stump for hubby's healthcare program. When taking questions from people who had legitimate concerns about how the proposed program would effect their lives; she not only blew them off, but was really smart-assed about it sometimes. Reminded me of Leona Helmsley and her disdain for the "little people". The way she handled herself during Whitewater, etc. further convinced me that she was without integrety. How anyone can consider her presidential material is beyond me. Some people must set the bar pretty low for who is acceptable.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
As far as I am concerned, Hillary blew it way back when, when she was on the stump for hubby's healthcare program. When taking questions from people who had legitimate concerns about how the proposed program would effect their lives; she not only blew them off, but was really smart-assed about it sometimes. Reminded me of Leona Helmsley and her disdain for the "little people". The way she handled herself during Whitewater, etc. further convinced me that she was without integrety. How anyone can consider her presidential material is beyond me. Some people must set the bar pretty low for who is acceptable.

Yeah, an alcoholic failure of a businessman, that's a good candidate.
He's invaded a country based on bad intel, run up incredible deficits, illegally spied on the american people, failed to provide govt help in a natural disaster, but hey, at least he's against abortion.
Republicans (not conservatives) are in power because of one thing: The selection of GWB by the right-wing Supreme Court, even though Al Gore had half a million more votes. Another factor which is not brought up is the murder of JFK and RK, which has had a tremendous effect on the country over the years. Imagine if instead Ronald Reagan, and GWB had been assasinated, what a different country we would have?