Why are so many Republicans intolerant and hateful?

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
How does standing up for the traditional view of marriage make one hateful and intolerant?

Making laws based on christianity is wrong. We are a secular nation and it is time we act like it. To many repubs supporting Christian laws over the rights and humanity.

Hey genius, what do you think almost all of our laws are based off of? Our entire society is influenced greatly by Christianity, including YOU, the self proclaimed theist hater.

In the past this was true. But why should non christians be forced to comply to laws of bible today. There is no reason to even considure the god when making laws.

I know when I hear a repub or someone else quoting the bible mentioning god in support of a law, it makes me cring. Because such laws are also written by biggots for biggots.

I agree that God shouldn't be considered when making laws. However, the society we have today is the result of religion and it's influence on people. Religion gave us the morality that we have today (well most of us, you don't seem to have the same morality -- as evidenced by the thread in which you said you'd let a theist die if you could save them), and our laws are based off our morality.

actually no, it did not give us our morality today, it may have given some people, but many of us simply live a good life because we feel it is right and we dont have to explain it by saying that any superior being commanded it

Here we see the essential identity of the religious nut and the secular nut.

Each is convinced that his or her feelings are the basic foundations of truth. Actually, in both these cases the opinions are bigotry because both are bases in the inexplicably irrational nature of personal belief derived from unconsciously acquired feelings. We are programmed robots who worship our program as God. Truth lies beyond program, that which is when the program dies. Out of that Truth comes real understanding of Justice from whence comes rational Law. Law is an approximation of Justice which is an approximation of Truth which is the spontaneous action of Love.

Being a free thinker doesn't make you secular nut.

 

[slash196]

People who are against gay marriage are homophobes, whether they realize it or not. It really boils down to that.

 

[Paratus]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: jesusfr3ak4evr
Nice post. As my screen name suggests, I'm what most of you would consider a conservative Republican Christian, while I consider myself a moderate leaning toward the Republican side.

Half of political forums(and that might be an understatement) simply bash the current president, with a few who try to defend him and are placed under strong pressure. I believe a large reason many of the liberal views are not implemented is because of our political system. The Founding Fathers deliberately made political change a slow and incremental process.

My view is, if you so strongly disagree with our nation's views [on gay rights, abortion, and other social issues], move to Canada. The U.S. is the most Christian nation(even though it doesn't seem like it) in the western world; that won't last much longer as contemporary youth are rebelling against the previous generations. And FYI, I'm a senior in public high school under a liberal curriculum, yet I still hold these views.

"Liberal" curriculum...

What, are you offended by science, math, english and shop class? :roll:

Our students are learning anything but that in a radical leftist enviroment. It is not liberal at all. Liberalism is not widespread anymore. The people on this forum who claim to be liberals are not. If the radical leftists who control our learning centers taught the stuff you listed, our country would be in a much better shape.

What 'liberal' values are you concerned about?


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[OrByte]

Originally posted by: slash196
People who are against gay marriage are homophobes, whether they realize it or not. It really boils down to that.

What I would like to know is if MSUengineer, having posted his position on the issue, is going to come back and say whether or not he still feels the same way or if by some miracle he is starting to question everything his parents have ingrained in his skull up to this point?
well, maybe not EVERYTHING...but you have to start somewhere right MSUEngineer?

Let us know where you stand ok?

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: slash196
People who are against gay marriage are homophobes, whether they realize it or not. It really boils down to that.

that is pretty stupid, that's like saying anyone who tells a black joke is racist, or a jewish joke is anti-semetic. You never hear that anyone telling a redneck joke, is anti-white, or a Catholic joke is anti-Catholic...sorry does not work that way.


It's like spiders, I like jumping spiders, garden spiders and daddy long legs. I do not like tarantulas, black widows or brown recluse...does that make me arachnophobic? no.

Just because you do not agree with gay marriage does not make you homophobic, any more that that ignorant statement of yours make you a complete moron.

You made a blanket statement that is completely off the mark. I know several gay people and we have discussed this at length...there are a few who think it should be ok and there are actually three that agree that it is not needed.....but wait a minute, if a gay person does not believe in gay marriage that must make them homophobic right?

 

[slash196]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: slash196
People who are against gay marriage are homophobes, whether they realize it or not. It really boils down to that.

that is pretty stupid, that's like saying anyone who tells a black joke is racist, or a jewish joke is anti-semetic. You never hear that anyone telling a redneck joke, is anti-white, or a Catholic joke is anti-Catholic...sorry does not work that way.


It's like spiders, I like jumping spiders, garden spiders and daddy long legs. I do not like tarantulas, black widows or brown recluse...does that make me arachnophobic? no.

Just because you do not agree with gay marriage does not make you homophobic, any more that that ignorant statement of yours make you a complete moron.

You made a blanket statement that is completely off the mark. I know several gay people and we have discussed this at length...there are a few who think it should be ok and there are actually three that agree that it is not needed.....but wait a minute, if a gay person does not believe in gay marriage that must make them homophobic right?

Telling a joke and actively ensuring that they are treated worse than the rest of the population are different things. A better analogy would have been "Telling a joke about a gay person doesn't make you a homophobe..."

But of course we aren't talking about jokes. We're talking about treating a group of people worse because you can't get over your own insecurities.

Also, thinking it isn't necessary and thinking it should be illegal are WAY different. My uncle would agree that gay marriage isn't necessary for a fulfilling relationship; he and his (now) husband were together for 25 years before they were married last summer. But that didn't stop him from wanting to get married, or believing it was his right.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: themusgrat
Well, as I have stated previously, I am a conservative, and am against gay marriage. It was intended to be the government's recognition of a family, to keep people together, and enforce some morality. Tha said, I do think that gays are slighted, and that they should have benefits equal to straight couples. But still, they don't have any reason to marry. Gays shouldn't adopt because a chid logically needs a father and a mother. Not a father and a father. It is possible that a child could do all right with 2 parents of the same sex, but research has shown that children thrive best when with their natural parents. And the closer you get to that, the better. So a straight couple is acceptable for adoption, but not a gay couple, since that is unbalanced, and simply wrong, in my opinion. Bush doesn't hate gays, he opposes gay adoption on logical and political reasons.

Don't those "logical" reasons mean single people shouldn't be able to adopt, and married couples with children shouldn't be allowed to get divorced? I mean, if we're enforcing morality, let's enforce morality. Going overboard enforcing it on a small segment of the population, while leaving the vast majority of people who need a little more morality alone seems goofy to me.

 

[CSMR]

Originally posted by: ParatusThe gist of your post seems to be that people would not be "homogenous" and therefore we wouldn't be a society?
Not sure where you going with that.

If society loses it's moral basis then it is still an economy but no longer a society. That is my point. As for my opinion on homogeneity I think there should not be complete uniformity in society since socety cannot be good and a self-complacent uniformity cannot point to the good. There should be some diversity of religion and ideas since no idea is ultimately true but in arguing etc. we can point towards or away from the truth. That said there is a basic level of common values which make a conversant and functioning society possible. Come away from this, and you do not have diversity, you have nothing, even nothing put on a pedestal, and many people believe in this nothing nowadays.

Who determines deviancy between two consenting adults?

Everyone determines it in his own way, rightly or wrongly. That is to say, it is objective.

 

[CSMR]

Originally posted by: dahunan
N0 it doesn't - it promotes respect for others..

We could just move towards some strict law that beheads gays..

What is the meaning of taking positions on both extremes?

 

[CSMR]

Originally posted by: conjur
Wouldn't "sexual deviance" be something different from each person would consider normal? Such as...Male heterosexuals sexually abusing young boys?

No, it is not. For example, the example you have just given. It is deviant even if it is considered normal.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: DVK916
I know when I hear a repub or someone else quoting the bible mentioning god in support of a law, it makes me cring. Because such laws are also written by biggots for biggots.

yeah, the food prep laws in the torah are full of bigotry!

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: DVK916
I know when I hear a repub or someone else quoting the bible mentioning god in support of a law, it makes me cring. Because such laws are also written by biggots for biggots.

yeah, the food prep laws in the torah are full of bigotry!

The Torah is book of hate. People who make laws based of the Torah are bigots. It says to kill gays, non believers, and many other people.

 

[Legend]

Because they believe in social tyranny, that suites their agenda.

And if someone disagrees with them, they blame that the other side has some sort of agenda, and that their (Rep) rights are being obstructed because they can not control the social lives of others. Then they'll babble about freedom, when they fight against it.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: CSMR

Originally posted by: conjur
Wouldn't "sexual deviance" be something different from each person would consider normal? Such as...Male heterosexuals sexually abusing young boys?

No, it is not. For example, the example you have just given. It is deviant even if it is considered normal.

Deviant technically means nothing more than being different from normal standards. The fact that common usage has this being a negative word says a lot, IMHO, about the state of our society.

 

[blackangst1]

Well, I guess I dont care what people think about me *shrug* I'm pretty liberal on most issues; however, I do not support, in any way, marriage of gays, including civil unions. I dont support adoption by gay couples. I dont like the fact my company gives spousal benifits to gay couples. I dont like the lifestyle.

I do, however, think gays should not be discruiminated against because of their sexual orientation. I think they deserve the full protection under the law from crimes against them as any American should (and they already HAVE this protection under our Constitution, so we dont need NEW laws).

Call me what you want, I really dont care...intolerant, closed minded, bigoted, or a homophobe. I really dont care. Just be careful though...lest you find yourself equally as closed minded and intolerant of MY views. Dont be a hypocrite

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: CSMR

Originally posted by: ParatusThe gist of your post seems to be that people would not be "homogenous" and therefore we wouldn't be a society?
Not sure where you going with that.

If society loses it's moral basis then it is still an economy but no longer a society. That is my point. As for my opinion on homogeneity I think there should not be complete uniformity in society since socety cannot be good and a self-complacent uniformity cannot point to the good. There should be some diversity of religion and ideas since no idea is ultimately true but in arguing etc. we can point towards or away from the truth. That said there is a basic level of common values which make a conversant and functioning society possible. Come away from this, and you do not have diversity, you have nothing, even nothing put on a pedestal, and many people believe in this nothing nowadays.

Who determines deviancy between two consenting adults?

Everyone determines it in his own way, rightly or wrongly. That is to say, it is objective.

True enough, but society is not government. Society changes over time, sometimes in good ways, sometimes in bad ways. Perhaps our current changes will lead to a loss of moral basis (but I doubt it), but is that really something the government needs to do something about? The moral crusaders usually seem to make the jump between "society is going down the wrong path" and "the government needs to do something about it". This doesn't seem obvious to me, as there are many things that society simply needs to deal with on its own, and using government force to push change will almost certainly not work.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well, I guess I dont care what people think about me *shrug* I'm pretty liberal on most issues; however, I do not support, in any way, marriage of gays, including civil unions. I dont support adoption by gay couples. I dont like the fact my company gives spousal benifits to gay couples. I dont like the lifestyle.

I do, however, think gays should not be discruiminated against because of their sexual orientation. I think they deserve the full protection under the law from crimes against them as any American should (and they already HAVE this protection under our Constitution, so we dont need NEW laws).

Call me what you want, I really dont care...intolerant, closed minded, bigoted, or a homophobe. I really dont care. Just be careful though...lest you find yourself equally as closed minded and intolerant of MY views. Dont be a hypocrite

You are far from liberal.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well, I guess I dont care what people think about me *shrug* I'm pretty liberal on most issues; however, I do not support, in any way, marriage of gays, including civil unions. I dont support adoption by gay couples. I dont like the fact my company gives spousal benifits to gay couples. I dont like the lifestyle.

I do, however, think gays should not be discruiminated against because of their sexual orientation. I think they deserve the full protection under the law from crimes against them as any American should (and they already HAVE this protection under our Constitution, so we dont need NEW laws).

Call me what you want, I really dont care...intolerant, closed minded, bigoted, or a homophobe. I really dont care. Just be careful though...lest you find yourself equally as closed minded and intolerant of MY views. Dont be a hypocrite

You are perfectly within your rights to find gay relationships to be icky (or whatever). That's the great thing about living in a free country, at least in theory. People are free to do what they want, and you are free to find it offensive

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well, I guess I dont care what people think about me *shrug* I'm pretty liberal on most issues; however, I do not support, in any way, marriage of gays, including civil unions. I dont support adoption by gay couples. I dont like the fact my company gives spousal benifits to gay couples. I dont like the lifestyle.

I do, however, think gays should not be discruiminated against because of their sexual orientation. I think they deserve the full protection under the law from crimes against them as any American should (and they already HAVE this protection under our Constitution, so we dont need NEW laws).

Call me what you want, I really dont care...intolerant, closed minded, bigoted, or a homophobe. I really dont care. Just be careful though...lest you find yourself equally as closed minded and intolerant of MY views. Dont be a hypocrite

You are far from liberal.

And you know this how? How quickly you judge.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well, I guess I dont care what people think about me *shrug* I'm pretty liberal on most issues; however, I do not support, in any way, marriage of gays, including civil unions. I dont support adoption by gay couples. I dont like the fact my company gives spousal benifits to gay couples. I dont like the lifestyle.

I do, however, think gays should not be discruiminated against because of their sexual orientation. I think they deserve the full protection under the law from crimes against them as any American should (and they already HAVE this protection under our Constitution, so we dont need NEW laws).

Call me what you want, I really dont care...intolerant, closed minded, bigoted, or a homophobe. I really dont care. Just be careful though...lest you find yourself equally as closed minded and intolerant of MY views. Dont be a hypocrite

You are perfectly within your rights to find gay relationships to be icky (or whatever). That's the great thing about living in a free country, at least in theory. People are free to do what they want, and you are free to find it offensive

Thats the funny thing...I dont necessarily find the lifestyle offensive or icky. I just dont think gay couples should have the same rights as married couples in regards to marriage. I have several very close friends who are in gay relationships, and they know well my view, and it doesnt matter to them. We are still very good and close friends. It's kind of like my best friend's perpencity to treating women like objects. Although I disagree with him, we are still friends. Disagreement doesnt always mean hatred -or- intolerance. I guess I dont have a problem accepting differences in others, and I respect THEIR decisions they make, whether I agree with them or not.

 

[themusgrat]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: themusgrat
Well, as I have stated previously, I am a conservative, and am against gay marriage. It was intended to be the government's recognition of a family, to keep people together, and enforce some morality. Tha said, I do think that gays are slighted, and that they should have benefits equal to straight couples. But still, they don't have any reason to marry. Gays shouldn't adopt because a chid logically needs a father and a mother. Not a father and a father. It is possible that a child could do all right with 2 parents of the same sex, but research has shown that children thrive best when with their natural parents. And the closer you get to that, the better. So a straight couple is acceptable for adoption, but not a gay couple, since that is unbalanced, and simply wrong, in my opinion. Bush doesn't hate gays, he opposes gay adoption on logical and political reasons.

1 - The government has nothing to do with the enforcement of morality, the primary of marriage intention is to combine and create new families.

2 - In a perfect world, a child would have a loving mother and father. The world isn't perfect, show me your "research" that proves that a child lives better with a mother and father.

3 - Right, bush doesn't hate gays - he just has a extremely large amount of dislike for them and wants them to be 2nd rate citizens.

4 - You're a bigot.

5 - Ever coming back to this thread you bailed out on?

My bad, I have had a buttload of school lately, and haven't had much time to post on message boards or forums.

1. In the end, the government has a lot to do with promoting morality. Why do we have laws? To make our nation safe. Why? Because we want to live in peace? Is that not a moral reason? It is not just because we want population to grow, not decrease.

2. Give me a second to get the research.

3. Maybe so, but if you read my post, you would see that that is not my position. I think that it is wrong to give kids to gays. This is one rare occasion where their right should not exist, I don't view it as not giving gays their rights, just giving kids theirs. Kids should have the right to the best parents, when their natural parents aren't there.

4. Well, I'm sorry you think so. Maybe I can prove you wrong.

5. Like I said, I have been busy. Do you think that I should resurrect that thread, or discuss those things here?

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well, I guess I dont care what people think about me *shrug* I'm pretty liberal on most issues; however, I do not support, in any way, marriage of gays, including civil unions. I dont support adoption by gay couples. I dont like the fact my company gives spousal benifits to gay couples. I dont like the lifestyle.

I do, however, think gays should not be discruiminated against because of their sexual orientation. I think they deserve the full protection under the law from crimes against them as any American should (and they already HAVE this protection under our Constitution, so we dont need NEW laws).

Call me what you want, I really dont care...intolerant, closed minded, bigoted, or a homophobe. I really dont care. Just be careful though...lest you find yourself equally as closed minded and intolerant of MY views. Dont be a hypocrite

You are perfectly within your rights to find gay relationships to be icky (or whatever). That's the great thing about living in a free country, at least in theory. People are free to do what they want, and you are free to find it offensive

Sadly this is true. The best we can hope for is as society ages people like this decrease in number.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well, I guess I dont care what people think about me *shrug* I'm pretty liberal on most issues; however, I do not support, in any way, marriage of gays, including civil unions. I dont support adoption by gay couples. I dont like the fact my company gives spousal benifits to gay couples. I dont like the lifestyle.

I do, however, think gays should not be discruiminated against because of their sexual orientation. I think they deserve the full protection under the law from crimes against them as any American should (and they already HAVE this protection under our Constitution, so we dont need NEW laws).

Call me what you want, I really dont care...intolerant, closed minded, bigoted, or a homophobe. I really dont care. Just be careful though...lest you find yourself equally as closed minded and intolerant of MY views. Dont be a hypocrite

You are perfectly within your rights to find gay relationships to be icky (or whatever). That's the great thing about living in a free country, at least in theory. People are free to do what they want, and you are free to find it offensive

Sadly this is true. The best we can hope for is as society ages people like this decrease in number.

You are no different than what you claim me to be, DVK. YOU are intolerant of MY beliefs, yet you claim -I- am intolerant? YOU have stated clearly YOUR HATRED of anyone or anything religeous...how is that tolerant? More and more you are reminding me of Joseph Stalin. He was as intolerant of others, as you are, but unfortunately he had the power to kill them. Which you would do....if you could. Look in the mirror, then ask...who among us is intolerant....

What a sad, miserable, hate-filled heart you have, sir.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: slash196

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: slash196
People who are against gay marriage are homophobes, whether they realize it or not. It really boils down to that.

that is pretty stupid, that's like saying anyone who tells a black joke is racist, or a jewish joke is anti-semetic. You never hear that anyone telling a redneck joke, is anti-white, or a Catholic joke is anti-Catholic...sorry does not work that way.


It's like spiders, I like jumping spiders, garden spiders and daddy long legs. I do not like tarantulas, black widows or brown recluse...does that make me arachnophobic? no.

Just because you do not agree with gay marriage does not make you homophobic, any more that that ignorant statement of yours make you a complete moron.

You made a blanket statement that is completely off the mark. I know several gay people and we have discussed this at length...there are a few who think it should be ok and there are actually three that agree that it is not needed.....but wait a minute, if a gay person does not believe in gay marriage that must make them homophobic right?

Telling a joke and actively ensuring that they are treated worse than the rest of the population are different things. A better analogy would have been "Telling a joke about a gay person doesn't make you a homophobe..."

But of course we aren't talking about jokes. We're talking about treating a group of people worse because you can't get over your own insecurities.

Also, thinking it isn't necessary and thinking it should be illegal are WAY different. My uncle would agree that gay marriage isn't necessary for a fulfilling relationship; he and his (now) husband were together for 25 years before they were married last summer. But that didn't stop him from wanting to get married, or believing it was his right.

You know this whole gay marriage thing is truly showing exactly how democracy works in this country. See the MAJORITY of people do not want it, therefore it is not so, but see what happens? When democracy is put into practice and the MAJORITY wins the MINORITY complains that the MAJORITY is nothing but a bunch of homophobes.

Nice to know that you guys are all for a democracy in this country as long as it goes your way.

We're talking about treating a group of people worse because you can't get over your own insecurities.

Can you please explain exactly what my insecurites are since you seem to know me so well? I mean our relationship has not been much more than some communicating over the www with a few taps of a keyboard but you seem to know so much about me...please refresh the rest of the board, what is my favorite color?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Well, I guess I dont care what people think about me *shrug* I'm pretty liberal on most issues; however, I do not support, in any way, marriage of gays, including civil unions. I dont support adoption by gay couples. I dont like the fact my company gives spousal benifits to gay couples. I dont like the lifestyle.

I do, however, think gays should not be discruiminated against because of their sexual orientation. I think they deserve the full protection under the law from crimes against them as any American should (and they already HAVE this protection under our Constitution, so we dont need NEW laws).

Call me what you want, I really dont care...intolerant, closed minded, bigoted, or a homophobe. I really dont care. Just be careful though...lest you find yourself equally as closed minded and intolerant of MY views. Dont be a hypocrite

You are perfectly within your rights to find gay relationships to be icky (or whatever). That's the great thing about living in a free country, at least in theory. People are free to do what they want, and you are free to find it offensive

Thats the funny thing...I dont necessarily find the lifestyle offensive or icky. I just dont think gay couples should have the same rights as married couples in regards to marriage. I have several very close friends who are in gay relationships, and they know well my view, and it doesnt matter to them. We are still very good and close friends. It's kind of like my best friend's perpencity to treating women like objects. Although I disagree with him, we are still friends. Disagreement doesnt always mean hatred -or- intolerance. I guess I dont have a problem accepting differences in others, and I respect THEIR decisions they make, whether I agree with them or not.

Like I said, whatever works for you. I think the line is where you think everyone else needs to be forced to follow your views on the topic. Not saying you are thinking along those lines, but that tends to be the real issue. "I think X is bad"...fine by me..."and I think we should ban doing X." Well that's another issue alltogether.