Why are so many Republicans intolerant and hateful?

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: smallsouljah82
First off, this is my first post in AnandTech forum, so I would like to take this time to thank the academy, my mom for giving birth to me, my 1st grade teach for letting me know about the birds and the bees, ABC?s, and 123?s and?..well I?ll save the rest for a rainy day, back to business,

I am not from the U.S. but I do read up on global political issues, and I think one of the main things not to 4get is the ideology of conservatives (belief that minimized Gov. will ensure order, market competitiveness and personal opportunity, and that the Gov. should be use to enforce law, order, morality and national security) and liberals (belief that positive Gov. influence should be used for justice, and equal opportunity, with an optimistic view of Gov. programs). It is easy for many to sit back and criticize the views of politicians, but it is much harder to advocate what you actually belief, over the view points of what your party believes (though not impossible). Don?t forget that the presidency is not just one man, and that the president is one player among many. Don?t 4get that power rest with the coalition and that power comes from the constituency. Realistically if president Bush came out and said ?that gay?s should have the right to marry one another, and that marriage is not only the union of man and woman, but also that of the same sex?, he would totally lose support from not only most individuals in his party but from many of his voters would put him in power. It would be like committing political suicide, and he in turn would become a lame duck president, nothing more than just a face for a party eagerly counting the days to his eviction. Let?s face it the majority of society isn?t ready for same sex marriages, much less conservatives, but this is the trial and tribulation that must take place in order for that change to happen. Me, personally I feel that as long as you aren?t violating another individuals personal rights, you can do what the hell you want to do. The other issue is morality and what actually defines morality. Is it ones religious beliefs or a logical understanding of the situation, and even then we must question that logic. One last thing, don?t Stereotype a group based on one individual or even a group of individuals for their ideas and opinions. Everyone is different: Not every democrat takes a liberal point of view, not every republican takes a conservative point of view, not everyone who plays PC games is a geek, and not every male hairstylist is gay.

Nice first post, hope you stick around...

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Unfortunately for conservatives, they are fighting a losing battle. The young generation of America has a far greater tolerance of homosexuality and even popular culture is embracing it wholeheartedly. I say it's only a matter of time before gays marriages are sacred and legally recognized.

The primary reason I believe this is because homosexuality is not going away, nor will it ever. It is becoming more mainstream and movies like "Brokeback Mountain" are making millions of dollars and achieving critical acclaim. Society is slowly, but surely, moving towards accepting homosexuality.

Clearly, religion has proven itself to be the source of a lot of intolerance and stupidity. Man created religion, and the Bible is completely manmade. All of these rules and regulations that you read about in the Bible were made up by other people. Moses never received 10 commandments from God, that's a fairy tale. Nothing in any religion can ever be proven to have come directly from God so it's foolish to act like you know what God would want you to do. Therefore, if it doesn't affect you or society in a negative way just let it be.

 

[Steeplerot]

A lot of it comes from parents who were same way, plus nowdays they are egged on by rich men in power that tell them that they somehow are rebels and victimized by the minority to get their blood boiling, when a people are scared they tend to react this way, they act backwards for fear of a future they are not in total contol of, its mostly a machismo thing that they try to hide the reality that hey are just plain scared and lack the ability to adapt. A stable functional society is one that tends to breed out the conservative mindset, but american culture is so corrupted and irresponsible it is no surprise things are turning backwards.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
How does standing up for the traditional view of marriage make one hateful and intolerant?

Making laws based on christianity is wrong. We are a secular nation and it is time we act like it. To many repubs supporting Christian laws over the rights and humanity.

Hey genius, what do you think almost all of our laws are based off of? Our entire society is influenced greatly by Christianity, including YOU, the self proclaimed theist hater.

In the past this was true. But why should non christians be forced to comply to laws of bible today. There is no reason to even considure the god when making laws.

I know when I hear a repub or someone else quoting the bible mentioning god in support of a law, it makes me cring. Because such laws are also written by biggots for biggots.

I agree that God shouldn't be considered when making laws. However, the society we have today is the result of religion and it's influence on people. Religion gave us the morality that we have today (well most of us, you don't seem to have the same morality -- as evidenced by the thread in which you said you'd let a theist die if you could save them), and our laws are based off our morality.

Quit with the nonsense. Religion didn't give us morality. Stop assuming garbage like that. You are just ASSUMING it.

 

[jesusfr3ak4evr]

Nice post. As my screen name suggests, I'm what most of you would consider a conservative Republican Christian, while I consider myself a moderate leaning toward the Republican side.

Half of political forums(and that might be an understatement) simply bash the current president, with a few who try to defend him and are placed under strong pressure. I believe a large reason many of the liberal views are not implemented is because of our political system. The Founding Fathers deliberately made political change a slow and incremental process.

My view is, if you so strongly disagree with our nation's views [on gay rights, abortion, and other social issues], move to Canada. The U.S. is the most Christian nation(even though it doesn't seem like it) in the western world; that won't last much longer as contemporary youth are rebelling against the previous generations. And FYI, I'm a senior in public high school under a liberal curriculum, yet I still hold these views.

 

[Xecuter]

Originally posted by: jesusfr3ak4evr
Nice post. As my screen name suggests, I'm what most of you would consider a conservative Republican Christian, while I consider myself a moderate leaning toward the Republican side.

Half of political forums(and that might be an understatement) simply bash the current president, with a few who try to defend him and are placed under strong pressure. I believe a large reason many of the liberal views are not implemented is because of our political system. The Founding Fathers deliberately made political change a slow and incremental process.

My view is, if you so strongly disagree with our nation's views [on gay rights, abortion, and other social issues], move to Canada. The U.S. is the most Christian nation(even though it doesn't seem like it) in the western world; that won't last much longer as contemporary youth are rebelling against the previous generations. And FYI, I'm a senior in public high school under a liberal curriculum, yet I still hold these views.

Who defines "our nation's views?" Does the president? No. The representitives we elect are supposed to "represent" our views, and just because the president believes in one thing, it doesnt define "our nation's views." Does it matter whether the US is the "most christian nation in the west?" I dont know if you've ever heard of it, but it's called the First Amendment - freedom of speech and *gasp* religion. Just because other religions believe in something you obviously dont, doesnt mean that you can say the US is overwhelmingly christian, and so they should get the hell out.

And, BTW, congratulations for being a senior in high school with a "liberal" curriculum.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: jesusfr3ak4evr
Nice post. As my screen name suggests, I'm what most of you would consider a conservative Republican Christian, while I consider myself a moderate leaning toward the Republican side.

Half of political forums(and that might be an understatement) simply bash the current president, with a few who try to defend him and are placed under strong pressure. I believe a large reason many of the liberal views are not implemented is because of our political system. The Founding Fathers deliberately made political change a slow and incremental process.

My view is, if you so strongly disagree with our nation's views [on gay rights, abortion, and other social issues], move to Canada. The U.S. is the most Christian nation(even though it doesn't seem like it) in the western world; that won't last much longer as contemporary youth are rebelling against the previous generations. And FYI, I'm a senior in public high school under a liberal curriculum, yet I still hold these views.

"Liberal" curriculum...

What, are you offended by science, math, english and shop class? :roll:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
How does standing up for the traditional view of marriage make one hateful and intolerant?

Is that the Official "traditional view" of the Constitution to be discriminatory and hateful?

If that is the case we should still be hateful, intolerant, womens sufferage and discriminatory against blacks, jews, japanese and any other "non-tradional" race that formed the U.S. in the late 1700's.

But I believe most of us "non-Republicans" have moved past all that.

Only because the U.S. is back in Republican agenda control has the U.S. gone into a Dark Ages of it's own.

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
How does standing up for the traditional view of marriage make one hateful and intolerant?

Nobody is talking about taking away your right to a traditional marriage. You are perfectly free to marry someone of the opposite sex, no matter what the law says about gay couples.

If you want to stand up for traditional marriage, be the best husband, citizen, provider and parent you can be. I realize that's much more difficult than demanding legislation to oppress people you've never met regarding issues which don't affect you, but that is the way to get it done.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
How does standing up for the traditional view of marriage make one hateful and intolerant?

You mean white woman only marry white men? Oh that's so 30 years ago, you guys have new people to hate...

 

[MSUEngineer]

Many people are against gay marriage because it would be a sign to the nation that the government considers homosexuality an acceptable lifestyle. Many people (including myself) view homosexuality as a destructive lifestyle. How many people must die of AIDS and other STD's before we realize that it is wrong? How many lives must be destroyed for people to wake up? I'm not saying that homosexuality should be banned, but it definitely should not be promoted by the government as an acceptable lifestyle. If gay marriage is allowed, that is exactly what the government would be doing.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
How does standing up for the traditional view of marriage make one hateful and intolerant?

Making laws based on christianity is wrong. We are a secular nation and it is time we act like it. To many repubs supporting Christian laws over the rights of humanity. Religious laws will never be compatible with democracy. Religious law are full of bigotry and hate.

So you have no problem with Rape, Murder, and Robbery?


Oh yes...and lying. Thats ok to.

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: MSUEngineer
Many people are against gay marriage because it would be a sign to the nation that the government considers homosexuality an acceptable lifestyle. Many people (including myself) view homosexuality as a destructive lifestyle. How many people must die of AIDS and other STD's before we realize that it is wrong? How many lives must be destroyed for people to wake up? I'm not saying that homosexuality should be banned, but it definitely should not be promoted by the government as an acceptable lifestyle. If gay marriage is allowed, that is exactly what the government would be doing.

You don't like homosexuals. Please don't embarrass yourself by pretending to care about them.

 

[MSUEngineer]

Originally posted by: phantom309

Originally posted by: MSUEngineer
Many people are against gay marriage because it would be a sign to the nation that the government considers homosexuality an acceptable lifestyle. Many people (including myself) view homosexuality as a destructive lifestyle. How many people must die of AIDS and other STD's before we realize that it is wrong? How many lives must be destroyed for people to wake up? I'm not saying that homosexuality should be banned, but it definitely should not be promoted by the government as an acceptable lifestyle. If gay marriage is allowed, that is exactly what the government would be doing.

You don't like homosexuals. Please don't embarrass yourself by pretending to care about them.

So you would just rather see them continue living a lifestyle that could possibly kill them? Thats really thoughtful. I don't like homosexuality because it KILLS people. Its akin to watching someone play Russian Roullette. Would you allow a friend to put a gun to his head and pull the trigger without at least trying to convince him not to do it?

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: MSUEngineer

Originally posted by: phantom309

Originally posted by: MSUEngineer
Many people are against gay marriage because it would be a sign to the nation that the government considers homosexuality an acceptable lifestyle. Many people (including myself) view homosexuality as a destructive lifestyle. How many people must die of AIDS and other STD's before we realize that it is wrong? How many lives must be destroyed for people to wake up? I'm not saying that homosexuality should be banned, but it definitely should not be promoted by the government as an acceptable lifestyle. If gay marriage is allowed, that is exactly what the government would be doing.

You don't like homosexuals. Please don't embarrass yourself by pretending to care about them.

So you would just rather see them continue living a lifestyle that could possibly kill them? Thats really thoughtful. I don't like homosexuality because it KILLS people. Its akin to watching someone play Russian Roullette. Would you allow a friend to put a gun to his head and pull the trigger without at least trying to convince him not to do it?

You don't like homosexuals. Please don't embarrass yourself by pretending to care about them.

 

[MSUEngineer]

Originally posted by: phantom309

Originally posted by: MSUEngineer

Originally posted by: phantom309

Originally posted by: MSUEngineer
Many people are against gay marriage because it would be a sign to the nation that the government considers homosexuality an acceptable lifestyle. Many people (including myself) view homosexuality as a destructive lifestyle. How many people must die of AIDS and other STD's before we realize that it is wrong? How many lives must be destroyed for people to wake up? I'm not saying that homosexuality should be banned, but it definitely should not be promoted by the government as an acceptable lifestyle. If gay marriage is allowed, that is exactly what the government would be doing.

You don't like homosexuals. Please don't embarrass yourself by pretending to care about them.

So you would just rather see them continue living a lifestyle that could possibly kill them? Thats really thoughtful. I don't like homosexuality because it KILLS people. Its akin to watching someone play Russian Roullette. Would you allow a friend to put a gun to his head and pull the trigger without at least trying to convince him not to do it?

You don't like homosexuals. Please don't embarrass yourself by pretending to care about them.

So instead of debating the issue, you just decide to put me down.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: jesusfr3ak4evr
Nice post. As my screen name suggests, I'm what most of you would consider a conservative Republican Christian, while I consider myself a moderate leaning toward the Republican side.

Half of political forums(and that might be an understatement) simply bash the current president, with a few who try to defend him and are placed under strong pressure. I believe a large reason many of the liberal views are not implemented is because of our political system. The Founding Fathers deliberately made political change a slow and incremental process.

My view is, if you so strongly disagree with our nation's views [on gay rights, abortion, and other social issues], move to Canada. The U.S. is the most Christian nation(even though it doesn't seem like it) in the western world; that won't last much longer as contemporary youth are rebelling against the previous generations. And FYI, I'm a senior in public high school under a liberal curriculum, yet I still hold these views.

Way to go JesusFreak.. "If you don't like it then GO AWAY" << is that what all mighty Jesus would say :laugh: NOPE

Glad to know your EGO is so much stronger than your heartl

 

[thraashman]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
How does standing up for the traditional view of marriage make one hateful and intolerant?

Making laws based on christianity is wrong. We are a secular nation and it is time we act like it. To many repubs supporting Christian laws over the rights of humanity. Religious laws will never be compatible with democracy. Religious law are full of bigotry and hate.

So you have no problem with Rape, Murder, and Robbery?


Oh yes...and lying. Thats ok to.

These things are not Christian laws! In fact the Bible makes no sense. Because according to the Bible if you can justify that it's God's will, then you can justify murder. Eye for and eye and all that!

Most morality in human nature actually <gasp> existed BEFORE christianity or Judaism. OMG (goodness, not god for that G), how can that be? Pay attention to the concept of evolution and look at the behavior of social animals. Humans are a social animal. In a pack of social animals it is not a good thing to kill other members of the pack, it's customary to protect the weaker members to a degree, pack members that have taken a mate usually do not mate with other members after that, and members of a pack would not steal from other members. It's not Christianity causing this behavior you twits, it's standard animalistic social behavior that has itself evolved into something more complex as humans themselves have evolved into something more complex. Stop trying to pull your religion into and and saying that everyone should follow your religion's laws.

Hell if everyone followed Christianity's laws, I'd be breaking the law by shaving my head(Leviticus 19:27), and I should be in trouble for wearing something that is 40% cotton, 60% polyester (Leviticus 19:19).

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: MSUEngineer
Many people are against gay marriage because it would be a sign to the nation that the government considers homosexuality an acceptable lifestyle. Many people (including myself) view homosexuality as a destructive lifestyle. How many people must die of AIDS and other STD's before we realize that it is wrong? How many lives must be destroyed for people to wake up? I'm not saying that homosexuality should be banned, but it definitely should not be promoted by the government as an acceptable lifestyle. If gay marriage is allowed, that is exactly what the government would be doing.

Gee.. Please give us some stats concerning who spreads HIV/AIDS
IV Drug Users
Slutty Heteros
Homos
Dirty Cheating Bastards who are already married

There is NOTHING sacred about Hetero Marriage or there wouldn't be so many divorces

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Read up about Thomas Paine, the author of the Rights of Man. His father was a Quaker, and it says right on wikipedia that he was influenced by the Quackers [which is CHRISTIAN religion, dumbass].

John Locke went to Christ Church college at Oxford...Jean-Jacques Rousseau was originally Catholic, and then converted to Calvinism. -- Both of these men are credited with influencing our founding fathers, and they were also Christian...Do you truely believe these men were not influenced in the slightest by their religion or their experience with religion?

You're actually bringing in Rousseau? You haven't read any of his work have you? You also forgot Voltaire and Diderot if you really want to go into French Philosophy of the 1700s. They all put forth the idea of a natural religion and constantly bashed Christianity


Edit:

Cause I love this quote:

?Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest?.

Denis Diderot

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: ntdz
Hey genius, what do you think almost all of our laws are based off of? Our entire society is influenced greatly by Christianity, including YOU, the self proclaimed theist hater.

Uh, it is?

I thought most of the Founding Fathers were deists or even atheists?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: jesusfr3ak4evr
Nice post. As my screen name suggests, I'm what most of you would consider a conservative Republican Christian, while I consider myself a moderate leaning toward the Republican side.

Half of political forums(and that might be an understatement) simply bash the current president, with a few who try to defend him and are placed under strong pressure. I believe a large reason many of the liberal views are not implemented is because of our political system. The Founding Fathers deliberately made political change a slow and incremental process.

My view is, if you so strongly disagree with our nation's views [on gay rights, abortion, and other social issues], move to Canada. The U.S. is the most Christian nation(even though it doesn't seem like it) in the western world; that won't last much longer as contemporary youth are rebelling against the previous generations. And FYI, I'm a senior in public high school under a liberal curriculum, yet I still hold these views.

There's very little about the US that is Christian.

Proclaiming one's self to be a Christian and then acting against pretty much everything Jesus taught (ever read the Beattitudes?) is the ultimate in hypocrisy.

This nation's "Christians" are more like the Sadducees and Pharisees than they are followers of Jesus.

 

[MSUEngineer]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: MSUEngineer
Many people are against gay marriage because it would be a sign to the nation that the government considers homosexuality an acceptable lifestyle. Many people (including myself) view homosexuality as a destructive lifestyle. How many people must die of AIDS and other STD's before we realize that it is wrong? How many lives must be destroyed for people to wake up? I'm not saying that homosexuality should be banned, but it definitely should not be promoted by the government as an acceptable lifestyle. If gay marriage is allowed, that is exactly what the government would be doing.

Gee.. Please give us some stats concerning who spreads HIV/AIDS
IV Drug Users
Slutty Heteros
Homos
Dirty Cheating Bastards who are already married

There is NOTHING sacred about Hetero Marriage or there wouldn't be so many divorces

I quick google search brought this up.

HIV rate for gay men rises, CDC says

Look at what happens when people do not view marriage as sacred. Adultery, divorce, damage of reputation, loss of trust, destruction of families, destruction of finances, kids who have to go through which parent gets custody, depression, etc. When you can't keep what should be the most important vow in your life, how can anybody trust you with even the simplest of commitments? When marriage isn't considered sacred by a society, a world of hurt follows.

 

[dahunan]

BTW, I am not gay.. I just cannot understand how they could do any worse than hypocritical Heteros are already doing

As a matter of fact.. seems like Hetero Marriages produce babies and the bad marriages produce troubled children and often times the cheating men leave and the woman gives the kid up for adoption.. due to lack of income etc..

I don't think gays could screw up marriage any more than heteros already have

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: thraashman

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
How does standing up for the traditional view of marriage make one hateful and intolerant?

Making laws based on christianity is wrong. We are a secular nation and it is time we act like it. To many repubs supporting Christian laws over the rights of humanity. Religious laws will never be compatible with democracy. Religious law are full of bigotry and hate.

So you have no problem with Rape, Murder, and Robbery?


Oh yes...and lying. Thats ok to.

These things are not Christian laws! In fact the Bible makes no sense. Because according to the Bible if you can justify that it's God's will, then you can justify murder. Eye for and eye and all that!

Most morality in human nature actually <gasp> existed BEFORE christianity or Judaism. OMG (goodness, not god for that G), how can that be? Pay attention to the concept of evolution and look at the behavior of social animals. Humans are a social animal. In a pack of social animals it is not a good thing to kill other members of the pack, it's customary to protect the weaker members to a degree, pack members that have taken a mate usually do not mate with other members after that, and members of a pack would not steal from other members. It's not Christianity causing this behavior you twits, it's standard animalistic social behavior that has itself evolved into something more complex as humans themselves have evolved into something more complex. Stop trying to pull your religion into and and saying that everyone should follow your religion's laws.

Hell if everyone followed Christianity's laws, I'd be breaking the law by shaving my head(Leviticus 19:27), and I should be in trouble for wearing something that is 40% cotton, 60% polyester (Leviticus 19:19).

Look at non judeo christian societies and you will find plenty of wars, murder and human sacrifice.

Humans are very territorial...including possesions, land and mates.

We have a lust for blood.