Why are so many men fat?

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IndyColtsFan

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Men in the US are fat for the same reasons that women are fat. There is no mystery or magic behind why so many people are fat.

When I was younger, I played ball every night and of course, being a kid in the 70s and 80s meant playing outside and riding bikes all the time. I never really had weight issues then.

Now I'm in my early 40s and I've battled weight issues throughout adulthood. I can lose weight pretty easily when I put my mind to it, but I still work a sedentary job and at the end of the work day, just want to do something mindless. I'm not one who enjoys mindless exercise with no competitive purpose (running and going to the gym have no real appeal for me), so I've asked my brothers if we can start meeting to play ball again regularly. Hopefully that exercise, along with a few dietary tweaks, will be enough.
 

nehalem256

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Muscle weighs more than fat. Men have more muscle.

Any study that uses BMI, as more studies do, will over report men being fat for this obvious reason. Given a man and woman of the same BMI and the woman is almost certainly fatter.
 

exdeath

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It's disgusting.

My normal waking pace is like 4-6 mph and I always get stuck behind people in the middle of isles waddling side to side at a snail's pace.

How many of them are on some kind of welfare or disability because of it too...

America fck yeah...
 
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When I was younger, I played ball every night and of course, being a kid in the 70s and 80s meant playing outside and riding bikes all the time. I never really had weight issues then.

Now I'm in my early 40s and I've battled weight issues throughout adulthood. I can lose weight pretty easily when I put my mind to it, but I still work a sedentary job and at the end of the work day, just want to do something mindless. I'm not one who enjoys mindless exercise with no competitive purpose (running and going to the gym have no real appeal for me), so I've asked my brothers if we can start meeting to play ball again regularly. Hopefully that exercise, along with a few dietary tweaks, will be enough.

It's only mindless and non competitive to you. Every time I run or bicycle it's a battle within myself. How far am I willing to push myself, will I give up, etc.. It's intense. When I get out to the local park and play basketball that's the easy stuff. Sure the guys there are young 18 to 27 but they just show up and want to play. And you can do that at that age. I think it really blows their mind when the old guy (I'm 32) can outrun them and has 4 times the stamina they do. And in all honesty I'm sure if you lined us up and had us run 40 yard dashes I'd likely get smoked. Difference being is that they wear down quickly so while they might be quicker they definitely aren't after 10 minutes in because they are gassed.
 
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Muscle weighs more than fat. Men have more muscle.

Any study that uses BMI, as more studies do, will over report men being fat for this obvious reason. Given a man and woman of the same BMI and the woman is almost certainly fatter.

When I go jog at a local trail or park I usually see 5 women to every 1 guy. Women just take care of themselves better. Simple as that. Look at how many products they use for hair care ir skin care.
 

Sho'Nuff

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Here is my theory, which is admittedly not supported with facts and may turn out to be complete bullshit:

In the distant past, food was hard to come by and men had to work very hard to get it by hunting, farming, etc. This principle remained true in many parts of the world from prehistoric times through the middle ages, and even into the pre-industrial age. Due in part to this food insecurity, humans developed an instinct to consume large quantities of food when it was plentiful, as the body understood that large meals may be difficult to come by. Gorging generally did not lead to obesity however, because it was offset by periods where relatively little food was consumed.

In the industrial and post industrial age, food became more plentiful. This lead to a general decrease in the "food insecurity" issue noted above, as for the first time many people could gain access to all of their food requirements by buying it, e.g., from a grocery store. The ready availability of food likely lead to an increase in consumption by males, due at least in part to the instinctual drive to consume. Despite this increase in consumption, many males did not become obese because they engaged in significant amounts of physical labor. In essence, their work required intense physical exertion and thus burned off many of the calories that were consumed. In other words, instinct drove men to eat more because food was available, but physical exertion offset the increased consumption.

In the modern era, food is more plentiful than ever, and in a wider range of choices than ever. In particular, processed foods that are high in calories and fat have become widespread, and are attractive to large portions of the populace because of their taste and their relatively low price. This widespread availability of cheap, high calorie food has lead to another large increase in caloric intake, again fueled in part by the instinctual need to consume when food is readily available. Only this time, this increase in consumption is not offset by physical exertion. Indeed due to technological advancement, most modern men are not required to exert themselves much if at all over the course of the day. To the point that most men who do exert themselves physically do so in a gym, rather than in the course of their work. This has lead to an era where the caloric intake of a male generally exceeds the number of calories he burns over the course of the day, leading to weight gain.

For those who don't like to read -

-Due to food insecurity, human males developed an instinct to "gorge" when food was readily available.
-In the past, increased caloric consumption was offset by physical labor
-In modern times, caloric consumption has increased further due to availability of cheap processed food, while physical exertion has become "optional" for most males in the modern world, leading to an era of "caloric surplus." Nature has not caught up with the fact that males are less active now than at any other point in the history of humankind, and thus instinct continues to drive men to consume large quantities of calories despite the fact that it is no longer necessary to do so.
 
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yllus

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In the distant past times, food was harder to come by, and men had to work very hard to get it by hunting, farming, etc. This principle remained true in many parts of the world from prehistoric times through the middle ages, and even into the pre-industrial age. Due in part to this food insecurity, humans developed an instinct to consume large quantities of food when it was plentiful, as the body understood that large meals may be difficult to come by. Gorging generally did not lead to obesity however, because it was offset by periods where relatively little food was consumed.

This is correct - we're genetically programmed to eat as much as is placed in front of us for survival reasons. Unfortunately our programming hasn't quite caught on that a lot of us (I believe 50%+ of Earth still goes hungry often) have no such issue anymore.

Couple that with a sedentary lifestyle - we're no longer always-roaming hunter-gatherers - and you have a recipe for ballooning humans. My hope is that technology that allows us to accurately measure the levels of everything in our body will help turn the tide back. If I could hook myself up to my computer via USB and get a read on my sugar levels that'd really clean up my eating habits.
 

mikeymikec

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That doesn't make any sense. If they're moving less they should be eating less. How isn't it a problem of overeating?

Refining/processing foods in the ways that have already been mentioned means for example that you get a much higher fat/sugar hit*, which if it didn't taste nicer wouldn't get eaten. Would I rather eat half a meat feast pizza or a whole one? Two beers rather than one? Gee, let me think. Combine that with notions of "eat everything on your plate" and larger portion sizes that the US is stereotypical for, and it's not good news.

Humans don't magically feel satiated for the day after ingesting the correct number of calories. Anything in the animal kingdom can get fat because it's supposed to, as food is meant to be scarce in the winter and you're meant to have a bit more poundage to survive. Up to a point, excess body fat is good for you, partly for the reason I've just mentioned and partly in case you fall seriously ill, the body chews on its own fat when food isn't incoming the usual way.

Eating foods high in fibre (read up about soluble and insoluble fibre) is good for your digestive tract, and they make you feel fuller sooner.

If you consistently over-eat, then your digestive tract expands and it requires more food in order for you to 'feel full'.

* - and because it's been stripped of its fibre, you eat more of it to feel full. Stop guzzling fruit juice and go for the fruit, for example.
 
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Scarpozzi

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You all forget the real culprit here:
1. Mass-produced food is typically processed stuff. (you could lump grains into that group...but for this argument, let's throw fast food in there too)
2. Economies of scale makes the mass-produced stuff cheaper.
3. People tend to cook less at home. Even when they "COOK" at home, they're really just reheating food from the freezer or from the grocery store.

This trend is multplied even more as your income goes down. So you end up eating more junk because it's simply cheaper. That's why so many people in poverty look like they eat well (are overweight)....because they don't.

Now....my personal observation is that the processed food has been tweaked enough with sodium and sugar that it tastes better than stuff that's better for you. Between that and convenience and cost, it's tough to not eat it.....and enjoy it. Most chain restaurants all serve it too....that's how they gain consistency across locations.

I lost a lot of weight this summer...about 20 lbs by working outdoors and skipping meals. I may just change careers at some point for my health...who knows. :p
 

IndyColtsFan

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It's only mindless and non competitive to you.

Exactly, which is why I don't do it. I'd rather be on a field or court and banging people out of the way, trash talking, etc. :) Sure, if some guy challenged me to a 40 yard dash, I might compete against him (and lose badly at this stage) but I'm referring more to running around town every night. I just find running boring.
 

RedRooster

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Until we're 25 we eat like 3000 calories a day and burn it off no problem. Then we hit 30 and still eat/drink like we used to but can't/don't burn it off.
Women eat like chickens their entire lives, so once their metabolism dies, they're not as affected.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Here is my theory, which is admittedly not supported with facts and may turn out to be complete bullshit:

In the distant past times, food was harder to come by, and men had to work very hard to get it by hunting, farming, etc. This principle remained true in many parts of the world from prehistoric times through the middle ages, and even into the pre-industrial age. Due in part to this food insecurity, humans developed an instinct to consume large quantities of food when it was plentiful, as the body understood that large meals may be difficult to come by. Gorging generally did not lead to obesity however, because it was offset by periods where relatively little food was consumed.

In the industrial and post industrial age, food became more plentiful. This lead to a general decrease in the "food insecurity" issue noted above, as for the first time many people could gain access to all of their food requirements by buying it, e.g., from a grocery store. The ready availability of food likely lead to an increase in consumption by males, due at least in part to the instinctual drive to consume. Despite this increase in consumption, many males did not become obese because they engaged in significant amounts of physical labor. In essence, their work required intense physical exertion and thus burned off many of the calories that were consumed. In other words, instinct drove men to eat more because food was available, but physical exertion offset the increased consumption.

In the modern era, food is more plentiful than ever, and in a wider range of choices than ever. In particular, processed foods that are high in calories and fat have become widespread, and are attractive to large portions of the populace because of their taste and their relatively low price. This widespread availability of cheap, high calorie food has lead to another large increase in caloric intake, again fueled in part by the instinctual need to consume when food is readily available. Only this time, this increase in consumption is not offset by physical exertion. Indeed due to technological advancement, most modern men are not required to exert themselves much if at all over the course of the day. To the point that most men who do exert themselves physically do so in a gym, rather than in the course of their work. This has lead to an era where the caloric intake of a male generally exceeds the number of calories he burns over the course of the day, leading to weight gain.

For those who don't like to read -

-Due to food insecurity, human males developed an instinct to "gorge" when food was readily available.
-In the past, increased caloric consumption was offset by physical labor
-In modern times, caloric consumption has increased further due to availability of cheap processed food, while physical exertion has become "optional" for most males in the modern world, leading to an era of "caloric surplus" as it were.

Actually you are closer to the truth than most here and it's backed to death by facts.

OK-

First, the obesity rates as shown by the link provided by CottonRabbit demonstrate that men and women have equal rates of obesity. That was not always true, with women having had a greater rate of incidence until fairly recently.

Second, we are physiologically hunter gatherers from 50k years ago. We are programmed to seek food sources which are high in calories because to not do so means death. It's a matter of thermodynamic economy. When we developed agrarian societies our caloric expenditures actually increased, the opposite of what is commonly believed and so it remained for millennia.

Then we came to the Industrial Revolution, which allowed one person to produce more food than was ever possible, and with developments in science we learned how to increase production further. We then had no need to tie ourselves to the ground as we could pay others to do so. Then we didn't have to prepare it ourselves, we could go to restaurants, then to fast food. At that point we fell into a kind of trap. The elements were no longer our masters, but the dollar and the clock became their substitutes. The need for physical labor decreased as technology and automation advanced. We needed to move to earn our food, now we have to sit still to do so.

The end result is that we are like animals which are penned to be fattened. Stressors at work kill us, another documented fact. Our physiological response is that of fight or flight and neither is of any use, but our biology doesn't know anything other than we're trapped and "need" more substances to escape. The direct consequence is a chronic inflammatory state, diabetes, hypertension, hypercholesterolemia, increase in lipids, the inability to get sufficient good quality sleep and an increase in appetite which causes obesity, which aggravates the whole situation, which then again reinforces the need to consume more calorie dense foods.

To make the situation even more deadly, we had the rise of marketing, which is the art and science of selling that which is not needed. People are paid to push our psychological and physiological buttons to overconsume.

The net effect is that we are caged and fattened, put into unnatural conditions which create chronic stress which poisons us, and deprives of needed rest. Our whole society is deadly, and obesity is a symptom, not a cause of health issues.
 

Golgatha

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Muscle weighs more than fat. Men have more muscle.

Any study that uses BMI, as more studies do, will over report men being fat for this obvious reason. Given a man and woman of the same BMI and the woman is almost certainly fatter.

BMI with waist size taken into account is a pretty good indicator though. I agree with your statement about BMI in men and women. My wife would be huge if she was the same BMI as me. I have a bit more belly fat (that I'm working on losing), but otherwise we're pretty comparable. Her BMI is around 23.5 and I'm about 28, but I definitely have more muscle than her. I'm healthy enough to speedwalk/jog a 5k in under 30min, do 250 sit ups, and HIIT training lifting near my max weight limit for an hour like I did last night. I've been serious about toning up lately and have been going to the gym or jogging outside 5-6 times a week for the past 2-3 months. Here lately I've actually gained a couple of pounds, but my body composition is definitely changing, as I'm able to wear some pants I had put back in storage.
 

Capt Caveman

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If you know anything about physiology, you'd know that it is easier for a man to have lower bodyfat due to muscles burning fat easier, and yet there are more fat men than women, according to any statistics you can look up.

I have a few theories, as applied to men in U.S.
One: women seem to not care about men being overweight as much. Women think being chubby is "just a cute belly". Women sometimes (incorrectly) reason that a 300lb completely out of shape man would be a better protector than a 180lb fit man, so that's "safety" factor.

Two: Men have been obsessed with American Football, and it is #1 sport and is supposed to be a symbol of masculinity.
The game is designed such that half of players can be quite fat and could be an advantage, similar to sumo where the objective is to be as fat and as strong as possible.

Sure those football players spend ridiculous amount of time working out and after their 5-10yr career in the game either try to get back to below 200lb weight or die in 40-50's because of heart attacks, because sustaining that "game" weight is unhealthy. But average man, trying to emulate "masculinity" even if he doesn't workout at least tries to "look the part" by being large.

Other type of men simply do not at all care about their body and spend 100% of their time super-focused on their job that happens to be sitting in front of computer. Maybe they tried working out a few times, it didn't help (because body fat is lost evenly across the body, 1 lb of fat loss is almost impossible to see). Or they look down on fit people as "vain", and they are too intelligent to pursue such "low" goals.

Those are some psychological factors, I'm not trying to troll. What do you guys think, are my assumptions valid?

None of the above. Eating habits.

/thread
 

bigi

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It's the food that's shoved down our throats here. Processed garbage pumped full of horrible ingredients. It seems like more and more people are starting to catch on to that (I hope that's the case).

Go to Italy. I doubt the average male (or female) works out more than we do, and yet the country is full of thin, beautiful people.

Try walking around Rome someday and trying not to trip over your jaw.

Although the obesity epidemic has become more widespread around the word, especially in 'newly westernized' countries, a trip to Central Europe might be shocking for average American. People in general are slim, tall and attractive.

Check out videos from Warsaw, Prague and Moscow. There are no elephant (sorry elephants) people there.

One trip to Wall mart confirms sad reality here.

There are three major factors to that:
1. Food quality - US food is much worse than eating shit.
2. Food portions - average portion of US meal would suffice as meal for 4 people elsewhere.
3. People walk everywhere (most of the time).

I've heard several stories of Americans going to Europe for longer time and slimming very much due to nature of all three points mentioned above.
 
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AViking

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Physical shape for 99% of us is a product of the food we eat, the amount of food we eat, and exercise.

So why is ANYONE fat? It's because they eat unhealthy and don't exercise enough.

So why are Italians in such good shape? Well they have great food. I don't know how much they exercise but in Sweden they exercise a lot. There are gyms EVERYWHERE and they are packed. Employers provide their employees with money to pay for this in many cases. It's relatively normal to either work out before or after work everyday.

My family drives me crazy when I go home to visit since they will literally drive around a parking structure for 10 minutes just to get a parking spot at the front. I would rather park and walk 3 minutes to the store. These little things add up quickly. Especially as we get older.

Stop eating like shit and start exercising. /thread
 

nehalem256

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When I go jog at a local trail or park I usually see 5 women to every 1 guy. Women just take care of themselves better. Simple as that. Look at how many products they use for hair care ir skin care.

http://www.halls.md/bmi/gap.htm
In America, the NHANES I study4 in 1971-74, and the NHANES III study5 in 1988-94, show that the "gap" between men and women has narrowed from 1.85 to 1.45 kg/m2 recently.

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A study of the visual appearance of people7, judged by their resemblance to standard "figures" shapes, suggested that the Obesity threshold was at a BMI of 31.5 for men and 29.9 for women, which is a gap of 1.6 kg/m2. And at the Overweight threshold (figures 6 & 5), there is a gap of 1.8 kg/m2.

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Body fat percentage evidence suggests a "gap" of 2.3 kg/m2. Median BMI evidence suggests a gap of 1.85 kg/m2. Statistical fairness and Visual appearance also suggest gap values. The average of these values is 2.0 kg/m2. That is the "gap" between mens and womens Body Mass Index values that the halls.md v2 model uses in it's overweight thresholds.

It isn't just a crazy theory. And in fact as people have gotten fatter the gap in BMI between men and women has shrunk.
 

lozina

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Yeah there is definitely something wrong with American culture which causes obesity. Probably a combination of reasons: food quality, portion sizes, GMO foods, lack of physical activity, stress, lack of sleep, something in our water... lots of possibilities
 

poofyhairguy

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Because we are judged by our perceived level of success and not just our physical appearances like women.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Yeah there is definitely something wrong with American culture which causes obesity. Probably a combination of reasons: food quality, portion sizes, GMO foods, lack of physical activity, stress, lack of sleep, something in our water... lots of possibilities

This is a well studied phenomenon. There aren't "possibilities", there are established causes. One might as well say that the earth is roughly round because of the possibility of gravity.
 

lozina

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This is a well studied phenomenon. There aren't "possibilities", there are established causes. One might as well say that the earth is roughly round because of the possibility of gravity.

It may be well studied, but it's even more well misinformed. The misinformation on obesity in this nation is enough to make everyone's head spin. That's why you ask 100 so-called experts on whats causing obesity or how to lose fat you get 100 different answers.