Why are repubs such cowards?

[Onceler]

I mean they bend over at the first sign of trouble trying to please those who would never vote for them at the expense of those who do. Case in point the cave in of the government shutdown(AGAIN it happened in the Clinton era with the same result).

 

[dank69]

I mean they bend over at the first sign of trouble trying to please those who would never vote for them at the expense of those who do. Case in point the cave in of the government shutdown(AGAIN it happened in the Clinton era with the same result).

Yeah what cowards. They didn't blow up the entire world economy to get their way. GOP is fucked because of people like you.

 

[EagleKeeper]

You have Republicans and then you have politicians.

Please keep the two separated

 

[Matt1970]

So you are saying Republican should have defaulted the government over a 1 year mandate delay like the Democrats wanted to do?

 

[Jaskalas]

I mean they bend over at the first sign of trouble trying to please those who would never vote for them at the expense of those who do. Case in point the cave in of the government shutdown(AGAIN it happened in the Clinton era with the same result).

They veiwed the shutdown as a threat to their electability. Nothing is more sacred to them than electability. They want "swing voters" above all else.

It's essentially a problem of not enough Tea Party.

Republicans take their own base for granted and pursue Democrat voters. We can correct that by fighting them in the primaries, and voting third party in the general. So long as we are not afraid of the Democrats gaining in the short term, we can deal with the Republicans in the long term.

This aspect of ignoring your base is a feature of our two party system. It's not going to change unless we rock the boat.

 

[boomerang]

I mean they bend over at the first sign of trouble trying to please those who would never vote for them at the expense of those who do. Case in point the cave in of the government shutdown(AGAIN it happened in the Clinton era with the same result).

Forget the Republican party. They're just a wing of the Democrat party. The TEA Party elected candidates will have a second chance coming up real quick. Should be pretty entertaining.

 

[Attic]

You have Republicans and then you have politicians.

Please keep the two separated

Same axiom holds true for the left.

This is a slight of hand that politicians bank on going unnoticed when pandering for votes and again when they get into full swing with their shenanigans in office.

 

[Onceler]

I would vote third party if I actually thought it had a chance of winning untill then I am stuck with the cowardly repubs

 

[Jaskalas]

I would vote third party if I actually thought it had a chance of winning untill then I am stuck with the cowardly repubs

The "lesser of two evils" argument is exactly why Republicans are free to ignore their base. They expect you to vote for them no matter what they do.

Bush was enough of a crime against our values to get me to switch. What will it take for you?

 

[boomerang]

I would vote third party if I actually thought it had a chance of winning untill then I am stuck with the cowardly repubs

Look at it from a different perspective. First understand that Republicans and Democrats are politicians that are firmly entrenched in a system that is of their design. They are two sides of the same coin. Voting for one or the other nets the same results. The same results. That's what you need to remember.

If you vote for a third party candidate and they lose, you end up with the same result. If you vote for a third party candidate and they win, then there is hope for a change in the status quo. You can't lose in this game. But you just may win.

 

[destey]

Because they only care about the party holding onto power. Whatever that means now... Back in 1994 it used to be about the ideology, then after Newt's plane ride that went south with Clinton it never got better. Always on the defensive, Dems stealing GOP's thunder with welfare, demonizing social security reform. Throwing up losers like Bob Dole, just to find the most moderate to appeal to the no belief, finger in the air moderate/undecideds.

If you want to see a fracture in the republican party, head over to ar15.com. There's the libertarian faction, then there's the party loyalists (who to me seem to be the statist/authoritarian wing of the republican party).

I only see more losses in the future of the republican party. They sideline guys like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, all while figuring out their positions based on polling data instead of beliefs. The statists in the party hold contempt for the libertarians, saying they're giving the win to the democrats (and all they care about is the drug war). Meanwhile the libertarians in the party hold their nose and vote republican as "its the lesser of two evils" ensuring the guy put in power with an R is for all intensive purposes a Democrat.

 

[cubby1223]

The "lesser of two evils" argument is exactly why Republicans are free to ignore their base. They expect you to vote for them no matter what they do.

Bush was enough of a crime against our values to get me to switch. What will it take for you?

If the Democrats were not always "let's tax you more so we can go buy other people's votes with these aid programs" I'd be much more inclined to vote for them.

I pay for their wins and get labelled as racist if I ever not agree with how they choose to spend my money.


The "lesser of two evils" is also why the Democrats don't have to pay attention to their base either. So what do you do?

 

[destey]

If the Democrats were not always "let's tax you more so we can go buy other people's votes with these aid programs" I'd be much more inclined to vote for them.

I pay for their wins and get labelled as racist if I ever not agree with how they choose to spend my money.


The "lesser of two evils" is also why the Democrats don't have to pay attention to their base either. So what do you do?

Amen, agree 100%

What makes your statement so powerful is the simplification that shows the end result the democrats like to hide. Wish the republicans in power would say such things. Mitt kind of did, but needed to stick to his guns.

Then again, maybe we've hit critical mass and there's enough leeches in this country to forever perpetuate this wealth transfer.

 

[dank69]

Look at it from a different perspective. First understand that Republicans and Democrats are politicians that are firmly entrenched in a system that is of their design. They are two sides of the same coin. Voting for one or the other nets the same results. The same results. That's what you need to remember.

If you vote for a third party candidate and they lose, you end up with the same result. If you vote for a third party candidate and they win, then there is hope for a change in the status quo. You can't lose in this game. But you just may win.

I love this schtick. The two parties that can't agree on 95% of all issues are just two sides of the same coin. Once translated by the bullshit remover you end up with "The policies I believe in are an utter failure but I refuse to believe that the opposite policies will be a success."

 

[cubby1223]

The problem with politics and our two party system is ourselves.

All anyone needs is 51% of the vote to win. And the way that we the average citizens are most motivated is, it is much easier to win a vote not by appealing to the masses, but by convincing 51% of the population that the other 49% of the population is against you. Republicans do it. Democrats do it. Democrats are better at this game than Republicans.

Politicians don't play these games because they are evil, they play these games because that is what motivates people into action.

 

[dank69]

The problem with politics and our two party system is ourselves.

All anyone needs is 51% of the vote to win. And the way that we the average citizens are most motivated is, it is much easier to win a vote not by appealing to the masses, but by convincing 51% of the population that the other 49% of the population is against you. Republicans do it. Democrats do it. Democrats are better at this game than Republicans.

Republicans dominated the system from 1980 to 2006/8. People aren't buying the shit they've been shoveling anymore.

 

[BUnit1701]

I love this schtick. The two parties that can't agree on 95% of all issues are just two sides of the same coin. Once translated by the bullshit remover you end up with "The policies I believe in are an utter failure but I refuse to believe that the opposite policies will be a success."

Because the 'issues' they keep everyone focused on dont matter. Meanwhile, the march towards global corporate authoritarianism continues unabated regardless of which party is in power.

 

[Matt1970]

Republicans dominated the system from 1980 to 2006/8. People aren't buying the shit they've been shoveling anymore.

Fail, they bought it in 2010.

 

[cubby1223]

Republicans dominated the system from 1980 to 2006/8. People aren't buying the shit they've been shoveling anymore.

Prior to the '94 elections, Democrats controlled the House of Representatives 60 out of the previous 62 years, and control of the Senate for 52 of those same years.

All you have to do is answer me this one question: do you believe Republican voters are against you?

 

[cubby1223]

I love this schtick. The two parties that can't agree on 95% of all issues are just two sides of the same coin. Once translated by the bullshit remover you end up with "The policies I believe in are an utter failure but I refuse to believe that the opposite policies will be a success."

The two parties work surprisingly well together on issues that don't divide the citizens into competing factions. How do you think the NSA gets away with all the spying they do?

Example from my state of Illinois, Democrats control the state with a supermajority. We have an out-of-control pension system that everyone agrees with is a massive problem on our state's ability to pay its bills (look up stats on how far delayed hospitals are compensated from medicare/medicaid services), so much so that their is a current legal fight over whether the Democratic governor can legally reject legislature salaries until they do something, anything on the pension system. But they don't do anything because pension reform does not divide the public enough to motivate action from citizens.


You are living the political hackery. I'm at least making an attempt to remove myself from it all. You just conveniently translate it into "your beliefs suck, that's why you don't want to fight."


There is a group of people who believe Democrats and Democratic voters are against them with bullshit policies and greedy attitudes, and will only ever vote Republican.
There is another group who believe Republicans and Republican voters are against them with bullshit policies and greedy attitudes, and will only ever vote Democrat.

Have fun drinking your kool-aid.

 

[werepossum]

The two parties work surprisingly well together on issues that don't divide the citizens into competing factions. How do you think the NSA gets away with all the spying they do?

You are living the political hackery. I'm at least making an attempt to remove myself from it all. You just conveniently translate it into "your beliefs suck, that's why you don't want to fight."


There is a group of people who believe Democrats and Democratic voters are against them with bullshit policies and greedy attitudes, and will only ever vote Republican.
There is another group who believe Republicans and Republican voters are against them with bullshit policies and greedy attitudes, and will only ever vote Democrat.

Have fun drinking your kool-aid.

Well said, sir.

 

[JEDIYoda]

You have Republicans and then you have politicians.

Please keep the two separated

That is an excellent point!! We could have a whole thread on just that subject!!

 

[Jimzz]

The "lesser of two evils" argument is exactly why Republicans are free to ignore their base. They expect you to vote for them no matter what they do.

Bush was enough of a crime against our values to get me to switch. What will it take for you?

THIS

I voted 3rd party last time, Gary Johnson. Better then voting for someone who will not listen.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I voted 3rd party last time, Gary Johnson. Better then voting for someone who will not listen.

But who is going to listen to him now??

 

[boomerang]

I love this schtick. The two parties that can't agree on 95% of all issues are just two sides of the same coin. Once translated by the bullshit remover you end up with "The policies I believe in are an utter failure but I refuse to believe that the opposite policies will be a success."

That's nonsense.

Which party is responsible for the monstrous debt we have?

Which party supports the Patriot Act?

Which party supported the Wall Street bailout?

Which party supported TARP?

Which party believes voting for a third party is throwing your vote away?

Which party leaves office and becomes a lobbyist?

Which party uses gerrymandering?

Which party supports the NSA?

I could go on an on with this. Your post sounds plausible, but it's factually wrong.