Why are repubs such cowards?

[Jimzz]

But who is going to listen to him now??

Not him but the voters. Many republicans are losing a lot of votes to 3rd party, mostly libertarian.
Here in VA the libertarian candidate is pulling between 5-10%. That is roughly the lead the Dem has over the Rep right now.

The shutdown shows the republicans can't let the fringe take over, its going to hurt them a lot.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...e06310-38fa-11e3-8a0e-4e2cf80831fc_story.html

 

[EagleKeeper]

Republicans dominated the system from 1980 to 2006/8. People aren't buying the shit they've been shoveling anymore.

Ask yourself what changed to allow such to happen. What did the Dems do wrong.

Did they learn and apply lessons learned.

 

[openwheel]

That's nonsense.

Which party is responsible for the monstrous debt we have? Both

Which party supports the Patriot Act? Both, leaning right

Which party supported the Wall Street bailout? Both

Which party supported TARP? Both, leaning right

Which party believes voting for a third party is throwing your vote away? Both

Which party leaves office and becomes a lobbyist? Both

Which party uses gerrymandering? Both

Which party supports the NSA? Both

I could go on an on with this. Your post sounds plausible, but it's factually wrong.

so yeah, both.

 

[poofyhairguy]

THIS

I voted 3rd party last time, Gary Johnson. Better then voting for someone who will not listen.

I wish I would have. I love Gary's emails.

 

[Matt1970]

I love this schtick. The two parties that can't agree on 95% of all issues are just two sides of the same coin. Once translated by the bullshit remover you end up with "The policies I believe in are an utter failure but I refuse to believe that the opposite policies will be a success."

Seeing as how most politicians are out for one thing only, their careers, I would say boomerang is spot on.

 

[dank69]

Prior to the '94 elections, Democrats controlled the House of Representatives 60 out of the previous 62 years, and control of the Senate for 52 of those same years.

All you have to do is answer me this one question: do you believe Republican voters are against you?

No. I believe Republican voters are misguided. I believe they don't understand that what they think will help the economy will actually hurt the economy. The data is in. GOP fiscal policies starting in the 80s have done the opposite of what the GOP claimed they would do.

 

[Atreus21]

No. I believe Republican voters are misguided. I believe they don't understand that what they think will help the economy will actually hurt the economy.

Short term or long term?

The data is in. GOP fiscal policies starting in the 80s have done the opposite of what the GOP claimed they would do.

Link?

 

[IGBT]

failure of organized society starts like many small fires at once. Then form into one large complex of failures..as we see with the Dems / Repubs.

 

[dank69]

The two parties work surprisingly well together on issues that don't divide the citizens into competing factions. How do you think the NSA gets away with all the spying they do?

Example from my state of Illinois, Democrats control the state with a supermajority. We have an out-of-control pension system that everyone agrees with is a massive problem on our state's ability to pay its bills (look up stats on how far delayed hospitals are compensated from medicare/medicaid services), so much so that their is a current legal fight over whether the Democratic governor can legally reject legislature salaries until they do something, anything on the pension system. But they don't do anything because pension reform does not divide the public enough to motivate action from citizens.


You are living the political hackery. I'm at least making an attempt to remove myself from it all. You just conveniently translate it into "your beliefs suck, that's why you don't want to fight."


There is a group of people who believe Democrats and Democratic voters are against them with bullshit policies and greedy attitudes, and will only ever vote Republican.
There is another group who believe Republicans and Republican voters are against them with bullshit policies and greedy attitudes, and will only ever vote Democrat.

Have fun drinking your kool-aid.

I want you to understand something. I have never and will never claim that all Democrats are good. I don't know anything about Illinois but it sounds exactly like what we have dealt with in CT for the last 30+ years. Guess what? CT was under R control for almost all of that time. We finally got a Democrat in the Governor's Office along with D majority in both House and Senate in 2012. In one year they knocked our deficit down from just shy of $4B to $100M. It had been in the billions for as long as I can remember.

Like I said, I don't know about IL so I don't know if what you say is true or if it can really be blamed on Democrats.

All I know is that GOP fiscal policies are destructive and Democrats understand that. They understand that because they actually listen to economic experts instead of doing the exact opposite of what the experts suggest. Then the GOP turns around and tries to blame the economic experts and the GOP base gobbles that shit up.

 

[Jaskalas]

THIS

I voted 3rd party last time, Gary Johnson. Better then voting for someone who will not listen.

But who is going to listen to him now??

The question is, who is listening to us? If we vote R or D, no one. If we vote third party - probably still no one, at least for now. Over time we might weaken and destabilize a major party. We might make them fail - and force them to choose between us or the majority.

The moment they make their choice, we have won. They will either join us, or join the "other" team and lift the illusion that they are different. They will own an incumbency and allow us to grow as their legitimate opposition.

Who is listening to the Tea Party?

This isn't about men, it's about ideas - and the movements to propel them forward. Johnson, Cruz, they are passers by. They help us and we help them, but we do not depend on any particular person. This is big picture. All we need is to rock the boat and throw a major party overboard.

 

[dank69]

Short term or long term?

Possible short term gain for long term disaster. Also possible no short term gains or even short term losses. Always long term disaster, though.

Link?

Crash of 2008 is all the proof I need unless you're one of those that actually thinks the crash can all be blamed on getting poor people into homes and not at all blamed on vast deregulation like the repeal of Glass-Steagall and Dick "deficits don't matter" Cheney.

 

[dank69]

That's nonsense.

Which party is responsible for the monstrous debt we have?

Which party supports the Patriot Act?

Which party supported the Wall Street bailout?

Which party supported TARP?

Which party believes voting for a third party is throwing your vote away?

Which party leaves office and becomes a lobbyist?

Which party uses gerrymandering?

Which party supports the NSA?

I could go on an on with this. Your post sounds plausible, but it's factually wrong.

Which party supports spending during a recession and cutting spending during growth? Which party does the exact opposite?

Which party supports cutting taxes for the people that are doing better than the rest of us in the name of trickle down job creation?

Which party wants lower capital gains taxes? Which party lowered them in the first place? Which party raised them back slightly while the other party screamed?

Which party always wants to cut regulations that keep businesses from crashing the economy like they did in 2008? Which party protested the removal of said regulations?

Which party pushes free trade agreements much more than the other?

Which party demonizes unions and actually convinces you that your corporate masters are the ones who care about you?

Which party wants to gut government services that benefit you so that the top 0.01% can enjoy tax free investing?

 

[dank69]

Seeing as how most politicians are out for one thing only, their careers, I would say boomerang is spot on.

The problem is that everything that is good for GOP politicians' careers is bad for the rest of us, whereas > 50% of what is good for Dems is good for everyone else (except the 0.01%).

 

[rudder]

most are politicians tried and true. The media is in obama's corner. These politicians want to be re-elected and this is more important than fighting the good fight. When the country was founded the framers of the constitution realized that it was very important to not allow one party complete power. The Republicans were doing what they were elected to do. It is just that from now on everything and anything will be blamed on the shutdown which will be sold as something the Republicans did. The media will make sure that this story is told at least until the 2016 elections are done.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Who needs Honey Boo Boo when you have ATPN?

 

[Matt1970]

The problem is that everything that is good for GOP politicians' careers is bad for the rest of us, whereas > 50% of what is good for Dems is good for everyone else (except the 0.01%).

You really believe that don't you?

 

[dank69]

You really believe that don't you?

Yes, I believe that. Meanwhile, you believe that Onion type articles are real. I'll leave it up to you now to figure out which one of us should be questioning the other's beliefs.

 

[compuwiz1]

THIS

I voted 3rd party last time, Gary Johnson. Better then voting for someone who will not listen.

You voted neutral, which is the same as not voting at all. When anyone votes for someone who has a rats ass in hell's chance of winning, it's only a personally gratifying vote with no realistically positive outcome. Don't get me wrong.....in the past I have really liked the way some independents have thought and their ideology, but in my heart of hearts I always knew there was no chance they would ever be elected.

 

[shadow9d9]

most are politicians tried and true. The media is in obama's corner. These politicians want to be re-elected and this is more important than fighting the good fight. When the country was founded the framers of the constitution realized that it was very important to not allow one party complete power. The Republicans were doing what they were elected to do. It is just that from now on everything and anything will be blamed on the shutdown which will be sold as something the Republicans did. The media will make sure that this story is told at least until the 2016 elections are done.

If the media is in Obama's corner, surely you have an abundance of evidence of them thoroughly explaining ACA and debunking the BS that Republicans spew on a daily basis such as "death panels" and senators saying that they would have died under "obamacare" because it is "socialized medicine," right?

 

[Matt1970]

Yes, I believe that. Meanwhile, you believe that Onion type articles are real. I'll leave it up to you now to figure out which one of us should be questioning the other's beliefs.

You do realize that onion article was over a year ago? LOL, but if that's all you got...

 

[shadow9d9]

You do realize that onion article was over a year ago? LOL, but if that's all you got...

Wow. Some people really are THAT dumb! As if you weren't embarrassing enough... every once in a while you just outright prove it for all to see. No wonder you never back up your bogus claims!

 

[Jaskalas]

You voted neutral, which is the same as not voting at all. When anyone votes for someone who has a rats ass in hell's chance of winning, it's only a personally gratifying vote with no realistically positive outcome. Don't get me wrong.....in the past I have really liked the way some independents have thought and their ideology, but in my heart of hearts I always knew there was no chance they would ever be elected.

The incumbent duopoly thanks you for your continued support.

 

[Matt1970]

Wow. Some people really are THAT dumb! As if you weren't embarrassing enough... every once in a while you just outright prove it for all to see. No wonder you never back up your bogus claims!

Speaking of never backing up bogus claims, show me one I didn't back up.

 

[Jimzz]

You voted neutral, which is the same as not voting at all. When anyone votes for someone who has a rats ass in hell's chance of winning, it's only a personally gratifying vote with no realistically positive outcome. Don't get me wrong.....in the past I have really liked the way some independents have thought and their ideology, but in my heart of hearts I always knew there was no chance they would ever be elected.

And if people keep voting for straight "party" and not the person; 3rd party will never win.

Right now in VA the R is losing in the polls about as much as the 3rd party candidate is pulling in the same polls. That alone will teach one party to not rig the primary and put up such a nutjob in the future, at least I would hope.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...e06310-38fa-11e3-8a0e-4e2cf80831fc_story.html

 

[trenchfoot]

The Repub Party: "What do we do with that Frankenstein we created in the cellar? We can't kill it because it's family. We can't keep it in the closet because it's already running loose. We can't make it behave itself because we fully indoctrinated it to behave the way it does from birth. We can't ask the Dems to intervene directly as that would be much too embarassing for us. What do we do? What do we do? Woe is us, woe is us."

And the nation will suffer right along with the Repub Party until they get that monstrosity they created under lock and key, that or lose the House they currently reside in.

I agree the Repubs are cowards. Their cowardice is stopping them from facing the reality that the freak they created is preventing the Repub Party from once again becoming that well oiled coal fired steamroller they were in a time before Obama. The Repubs only need to convince the Tea Party that the needs of the many (Repubs) outweigh the needs of the few (Tea Partiers). It's that simple.

'Til that time, the Dems will enjoy beating up on the Repubs with one arm tied behind their backs.