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Why are Republicans upset that Obama spoke at Planned Parenthood?

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Annisman* said:
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At worst it should be legal, but completely frowned upon to do. The reality is if you are against it you get flamed by everyone, and get called a woman hater.

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Yes, I hear women bragging about all the abortions they've had all the time. Get your head out of your ass. Nobody thinks abortion is a great thing and wishes for more of them. Choosing an abortion is a huge life decision that often has permanent negative effects on the woman's psyche.

Nobody is going to flame you if you just don't like abortion and wish it didn't happen. We will flame you if you think it should be illegal.
 
dank69 said:
Yes, I hear women bragging about all the abortions they've had all the time. Get your head out of your ass. Nobody thinks abortion is a great thing and wishes for more of them. Choosing an abortion is a huge life decision that often has permanent negative effects on the woman's psyche.
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Remember that chris rock thing about black people vs n word? They want credit for stuff you're supposed to do. "I take care of my kids!" or "I had an abortion when there was no way I could take care of a kid!" (I made this one up).

You're not supposed to brag about abortions. It's just something you're supposed to do like get a job or pay taxes. One of my friends had an abortion and she doesn't brag about it because abortions are expected. Either she drops out of school and becomes a total deadbeat or she can carry on and build a career like a productive member of society. She doesn't expect people to praise her for getting her shit together and building a career instead of raising accidental kids.
 
ch33zw1z said:
I still don't appreciate the liberal label, fucking conservative bastard. And you still can't argue with people because you lack the mental prowess. You wait for someone else to post something coherent and then jump in like "That guy's an idiot!!! Preach it!!!!".
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Are you a liberal? I support and defend the Constitution.

I won't bother arguing with idiots. If you have a kid then it's your responsibility not mine.
 
Incorruptible said:
Are you a liberal? I support and defend the Constitution.

I won't bother arguing with idiots. If you have a kid then it's your responsibility not mine.
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Yep, Incorruptible constantly defends what he believes is in the Constitution, whether or not it what he believes is actually what the Constitution says is an entire other matter.
 
CrackRabbit said:
Yep, Incorruptible constantly defends what he believes is in the Constitution, whether or not it what he believes is actually what the Constitution says is an entire other matter.
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I didn't support obama or romney in 2012 and I will only vote for people who support the Constitution.

I constantly advocate for the Constitution on here.
 
Incorruptible said:
I didn't support obama or romney in 2012 and I will only vote for people who support the Constitution.

I constantly advocate for the Constitution on here.
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No you advocate what you believe is in the Constitution, not what the Constitution says.
Every single one of your posts is evidence of it.
 
ch33zw1z said:
1. Abstinence only education will not work. Woman-hater? hardly, I would say you're rigid, grumpy, and not in touch with yourself....or if you lack sex, very "in-touch" with yourself. Sex is a natural thing, and it's not going away. You can't blame the woman if you're not going to blame the man too.
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I blame whoever takes it upon themselves to kill children they had a hand in producing.

Second, define your stance while you attack someone else's. What is your plan of action? Seriously, abstinence? For Incorruptible, that's brilliant...he doesn't need to reproduce. Would you prefer prevention via condoms and/or BC, or abortions?
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I'd prefer any method to the killing of your own children. If you want to abstain that's ideal. If you want to use a condom or other birth control I have no issue. But I do ask that if you insist on having sex in full knowledge of the possible consequences that at the very least you ought not be allowed to commit murder as retroactive birth control.

I much prefer condoms/BC instead of abortions. Do I agree with PP handing them out? damn straight. I'd much rather see my tax dollars go there than to funding abortions.

Third, you can call it blame shifting or whatever, it's understanding that this IS how it works. The very same people who don't want Planned Parenthood (not just abortions, but prevention methods) are often the very same people who are verbally against public assistance.
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They are two utterly separate issues. If I don't support my tax dollars going to poor people it doesn't mean I give up my right to protest someone murdering them.

Guys like you and Incorruptible offer no solutions that make sense, but love to tell everyone else how wrong they are. I already know Incorruptible is a Christian, not hard to tell...and I suspect you are the too.
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How about you stick to the arguments instead of trying to glean motives like Moonbeam?

No solutions that make sense? Is "don't kill your children" not sensible? Do I seriously have to come up alternatives to make the mothers life easier before I can object to her killing her children?

Burying your head in the sand instead of facing reality isn't going to help anyone. Try to clear your mind of religious influence (very tough for you guys, I know, been there) and stop judging others until you walk a mile in their shoes. Denial, it's not just a river in Egypt.
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Spare me the arrogance.
 
complain? it's in the media's interest to whip up the politics of envy. more stories of "evil" CEOs earning big bucks sells more papers, or increase TV ratings, or gets more radio air time lol..
 
Atreus21 said:
I blame whoever takes it upon themselves to kill children they had a hand in producing.



I'd prefer any method to the killing of your own children. If you want to abstain that's ideal. If you want to use a condom or other birth control I have no issue. But I do ask that if you insist on having sex in full knowledge of the possible consequences that at the very least you ought not be allowed to commit murder as retroactive birth control.



They are two utterly separate issues. If I don't support my tax dollars going to poor people it doesn't mean I give up my right to protest someone murdering them.



How about you stick to the arguments instead of trying to glean motives like Moonbeam?

No solutions that make sense? Is "don't kill your children" not sensible? Do I seriously have to come up alternatives to make the mothers life easier before I can object to her killing her children?



Spare me the arrogance.
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Thanks for proving my point.
 
Atreus21

How having an abortion equates to "killing your children" is beyond me. If you can't comprehend the difference between a fetus and a child, we will never have a meaningful discussion.
 
jackschmittusa said:
Atreus21

How having an abortion equates to "killing your children" is beyond me. If you can't comprehend the difference between a fetus and a child, we will never have a meaningful discussion.
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Really. Are the differences so enormous as to make one worthy of death and the other suddenly sacred? Especially in the case of late-term abortion?
 
Atreus21 said:
I never tire of this argument. Yes, it's cheaper to kill someone than raise them. What a great argument. I don't suppose by "prevent pregnancy" you actually mean, you know, not having sex? Oh hell no. That's just me being a woman-hater.
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And here we start to see indications of the real reason why religious right-wing folk want abortion banned; it's not about life so much as it is about perceived sexual morality.

If you allow exceptions in cases of incest or rape, then you are saying that whether the woman consented to sex is more important than the potential human being that is a product of that sex. Biologically, rape is a meaningless concept, regardless of what (former?) Congressman Todd Akin thinks.

Sexual morality is not the only morality at play here. Also:

If you allow exceptions in cases of severe physical defects, then you are saying that the desire to raise a healthy baby is more important than the potential human being that results.
 
Incorruptible said:
Planned parenthood along with many other programs should have TAXPAYER funding eliminated. If people support planned parenthood they are free to donate their own money to them but the government using force the current way must stop.
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what?

just a piece of paper saying..."abortion is now legal"
and now everyone can have planned parenthood, by theyr freewill

why should the have to government fund.......anything?
 
Olikan said:
what?

just a piece of paper saying..."abortion is now legal"
and now everyone can have planned parenthood, by theyr freewill

why should the have to government fund.......anything?
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The government must stay within the boundaries of the Constitution. There are certain areas where they have to spend money.
 
Atreus21

The differences between a fetus and a child are indeed enormous. Case closed!

Any discussion about any restrictions due to length to term are a completely different issue. And the closer to term, the more likely that real scientific information will be used to support any position.

Your blanket "fetus = child" assertion does not reflect scientific fact or rational thought.
 
Why is it that the same people who say abortions should be legal because of rapes, incest, mother's life, etc. also complain about how it costs SOOO much more to 'support' children through their life than to just kill them? Which is it?
Also, and let me just say that I've NEVER seen this mentioned, aren't people, on average, a net-positive to the country? Even if a child is heavily subsidized by the gov for the first 18 years or so, he/she will be paying taxes for the 45+ after that.

I'm so tired of the fluffy tip-toeing around this issue. MOST abortions are for vanity/laziness reasons.
 
stormkroe said:
Why is it that the same people who say abortions should be legal because of rapes, incest, mother's life, etc. also complain about how it costs SOOO much more to 'support' children through their life than to just kill them? Which is it?
Also, and let me just say that I've NEVER seen this mentioned, aren't people, on average, a net-positive to the country? Even if a child is heavily subsidized by the gov for the first 18 years or so, he/she will be paying taxes for the 45+ after that.

I'm so tired of the fluffy tip-toeing around this issue. MOST abortions are for vanity/laziness reasons.
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Well the vast majority of kids who would receive benefits the first 18 yrs of their life would never offset that because they would likely fall into the 50% and under category of those who don't pay income taxes for the most part. I'm discussing the federal level though, they would still have to get their 22"s and Jordans.
 
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