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Why are Republicans upset that Obama spoke at Planned Parenthood?

Try to understand that Republicans are upset about everything. Their party as currently constituted is dying because of irrational beliefs. Being irrationally upset about everything is part of that bag of tricks.
 
I don't care what 'party' you are. Abortion is so abominable a practice that there should be outcry when important people stand up and sing it's praises, especially if that person is the leader of our nation of all things.

This is not a republican-democrat issue, it is a 'are you ethically and morally aware enough to understand how diabolical abortion is' clearly for many the answer is sadly no.
 
because they are a bunch of religious blow hards that can't deal with condoms being passed out...
 
Moonbeam said:
Try to understand that Republicans are upset about everything. Their party as currently constituted is dying because of irrational beliefs. Being irrationally upset about everything is part of that bag of tricks.
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(thorazine is a powerful antipsychotic usually given for schizophrenia)
 
Annisman* said:
I don't care what 'party' you are. Abortion is so abominable a practice that there should be outcry when important people stand up and sing it's praises, especially if that person is the leader of our nation of all things.

This is not a republican-democrat issue, it is a 'are you ethically and morally aware enough to understand how diabolical abortion is' clearly for many the answer is sadly no.
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I agree that it's not a republican-democrat issue but it is an issue of ignorance or religion.

First of all, let's understand that it's not possible to take a human life without a living human, so let's take a look at how human life is defined amongst those we can all agree are individual living human beings.

If you or i were to receive a blow to the head that was severe enough to land us in a hospital where the doctors monitoring our brain activity would declare us brain dead then we would indeed not be alive. This definition of human life is universal amongst all born human beings and IMO also the unborn human beings.

So the question then becomes if we can just shove those who are brain dead up a womans vagina to make them living or if it doesn't matter if you are in the uterus of a woman or born when this determination is made. If you agree that just being inside the uterus has no effect on whether you're alive or dead then a pre week 25 fetus is not a living human being.

Now if you believe that god implants a soul into the fertilized egg then there is no argument to be had except that maybe if there is a miscarriage the grandmother should be tried for murder since it's possible that during the formation of the mothers egg cells (which takes place in the fetus) the grandmother did something that affected that egg and caused a miscarriage (which means that the precious soul that god put in there is now... i dunno, where do those souls go? Must be a truly horrible place since it's such a heinous crime to deny the souls a future living human vessel).
 
IMO, the whole 'definition of when life starts' is a flawed place to begin the abortion argument, where it usually DOES start, right ?

There is potential for life, and more than that, there is physical being (although usually not very human looking yet) that is destroyed in the abortion process.

I think my beef is with people who say 'it's only a 28 week fetus' (or whatever it is) and convince themselves that for that reason alone that there is zero moral conviction that should take place. But yet when the fetus is a few weeks older, oh, now we can't terminate it.

@JohnofSheffield, if someone is brain dead, that's one thing. But a fetus is on it's way to becoming life, it's not a lost cause.

I think the only people that should be able to mentally con themselves into the morality of an abortion is someone who truly doesn't know better, and in that case abortion being legal is a huge obstacle. Many believe if the almighty government says something is ok, that's enough to go ahead and do it. But who says the government got it right ?

At worst it should be legal, but completely frowned upon to do. The reality is if you are against it you get flamed by everyone, and get called a woman hater.

There are people who care, truly care for these thousands of lives being thrown away by our fellow citizens but can't voice their concern because of political handcuffs.
 
About 1% of PPH is abortions and our small government friends wanna shut them down and tell people what to do. They campaign on small limited government but they really want to control you as much as the other party. If there is ever a small limited government guy running I would vote for him. I think they are fairy tale creatures. When one gets power he uses it to expand his power. No president has even been like I got too much power, lets give the power back.
 
Abortion is a disgusting and diabolical practice exercised only by cave men and cave women operating under a selfish tribal instinct long since forgotten by those with a functioning frontal lobe. It has nothing to do with religion, although our fantasy land friends do campaign the most for it, and everything to do with humanity, decency and our own evolution as a species. In five hundred years we will look back at this time period with shame, contempt and sadness.
 
Annisman* said:
I don't care what 'party' you are. Abortion is so abominable a practice that there should be outcry when important people stand up and sing it's praises, especially if that person is the leader of our nation of all things.

This is not a republican-democrat issue, it is a 'are you ethically and morally aware enough to understand how diabolical abortion is' clearly for many the answer is sadly no.
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To be honest I find all partial birth abortions abominable. And I'm an atheist. I see no reason why we shouldn't have a 12week cut off like the rest of the civilized world.
 
To me, the whole "potential human life" issue is worthless as an argument for several reasons. How is the term useful in any practical sense? Automatically assigning some mystical value to it seems absurd to me. I would rate the fertilized eggs that became the humans Stalin and Hitler as piss poor examples of some exalted status. With today's knowledge, I would have valued a "potential dog" that became a life saving bomb sniffer far more highly.

We humans regularly dispose of our fellows long after they are fully developed, often without batting an eye. We execute prisoners (sometimes even the innocent), we often accept executing people that are considered suspects ( firing 40, 50, a hundred rounds into a vehicle can in no way be considered a capture tactic), we accept killing them wholesale in war (even accepting collateral damage - a more palatable euphemism for killing as morally correct in the "big picture"), moral value regarding humans is not enough to trigger an automatic correction of dictators who directly act to kill thousands, millions.

We continue to personally and collectively devalue other fully developed humans individually or as groups (if we can apply the correct label). "Potential humans" are of unknown value and desirability. Assigning the entire group some enormous value is completely arbitrary.
 
JohnOfSheffield said:
I agree that it's not a republican-democrat issue but it is an issue of ignorance or religion.

First of all, let's understand that it's not possible to take a human life without a living human, so let's take a look at how human life is defined amongst those we can all agree are individual living human beings.

If you or i were to receive a blow to the head that was severe enough to land us in a hospital where the doctors monitoring our brain activity would declare us brain dead then we would indeed not be alive. This definition of human life is universal amongst all born human beings and IMO also the unborn human beings.

So the question then becomes if we can just shove those who are brain dead up a womans vagina to make them living or if it doesn't matter if you are in the uterus of a woman or born when this determination is made. If you agree that just being inside the uterus has no effect on whether you're alive or dead then a pre week 25 fetus is not a living human being.

Now if you believe that god implants a soul into the fertilized egg then there is no argument to be had except that maybe if there is a miscarriage the grandmother should be tried for murder since it's possible that during the formation of the mothers egg cells (which takes place in the fetus) the grandmother did something that affected that egg and caused a miscarriage (which means that the precious soul that god put in there is now... i dunno, where do those souls go? Must be a truly horrible place since it's such a heinous crime to deny the souls a future living human vessel).
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The cool thing about believing a fertilized egg is a human because god puts a soul in it at conception, is this turns god into the biggest abortion provider! 50% of all fertilized eggs spontaneously abort.

But somehow all these dead "kids" don't bother pro-lifers. :hmm:
 
Annisman* said:
IMO, the whole 'definition of when life starts' is a flawed place to begin the abortion argument, where it usually DOES start, right ?

There is potential for life, and more than that, there is physical being (although usually not very human looking yet) that is destroyed in the abortion process.

I think my beef is with people who say 'it's only a 28 week fetus' (or whatever it is) and convince themselves that for that reason alone that there is zero moral conviction that should take place. But yet when the fetus is a few weeks older, oh, now we can't terminate it.

@JohnofSheffield, if someone is brain dead, that's one thing. But a fetus is on it's way to becoming life, it's not a lost cause.

I think the only people that should be able to mentally con themselves into the morality of an abortion is someone who truly doesn't know better, and in that case abortion being legal is a huge obstacle. Many believe if the almighty government says something is ok, that's enough to go ahead and do it. But who says the government got it right ?

At worst it should be legal, but completely frowned upon to do. The reality is if you are against it you get flamed by everyone, and get called a woman hater.

There are people who care, truly care for these thousands of lives being thrown away by our fellow citizens but can't voice their concern because of political handcuffs.
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Perhaps if those same people show the same compassion for them once born their argument would be more consistant
 
Republicans. Against abortion, and don't want to help the children after they're born either. Sound reasoning, move along.

I'm all for planned parenthood preventing unwanted pregnancies before they even start. I'm not "pro-abortion", but I respect another persons right to choose.

I agree with the sentiment of a time limit though. Once you get to a certain stage of pregnancy, then it's too late.
 
Many republicans have supported planned parenthood by permitting TAXPAYER funds for it. So those same republicans are hypocrites for being upset at obama.

The real reason they are upset which is justified is because obama is speaking at planned parenthood during the same time of the Kermit Gosnell trial and planned parenthood didn't condemn him for what he did.

No politician democrat or republican should have spoke after what they did with Gosnell.

Planned parenthood along with many other programs should have TAXPAYER funding eliminated. If people support planned parenthood they are free to donate their own money to them but the government using force the current way must stop.
 
Incorruptible said:
Planned parenthood along with many other programs should have TAXPAYER funding eliminated. If people support planned parenthood they are free to donate their own money to them but the government using force the current way must stop.
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I'll agree with this when Religious groups are treated the same. No tax breaks for churches, etc..
 
Incorruptible said:
Many republicans have supported planned parenthood by permitting TAXPAYER funds for it. So those same republicans are hypocrites for being upset at obama.

The real reason they are upset which is justified is because obama is speaking at planned parenthood during the same time of the Kermit Gosnell trial and planned parenthood didn't condemn him for what he did.

No politician democrat or republican should have spoke after what they did with Gosnell.

Planned parenthood along with many other programs should have TAXPAYER funding eliminated. If people support planned parenthood they are free to donate their own money to them but the government using force the current way must stop.
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I don't think Gosnell has been found guilty of anything, not yet, anyway.

He currently enjoys a presumption of innocence in the eyes of the law and a presumption of guilt among the usual ravers. Planned parenthood will undoubtedly condemn him if he's found guilty.

Repubs upset? Of course. Hate-Um Obama! Hate-um PP! Put 'em together for Double Hate-Um!
 
Jhhnn said:
I don't think Gosnell has been found guilty of anything, not yet, anyway.

He currently enjoys a presumption of innocence in the eyes of the law and a presumption of guilt among the usual ravers.
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I'm glad to see that you're so fair-minded with the presumption of...wait a minute, what's this?


http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=33230255#post33230255

Or maybe Fox is just pandering to racist right wing authoritarian gun freaks who want Zimmerman to be innocent of any crime, and a shining example for them to follow.

After all, Zimmerman was just defending his beloved neighborhood from the depredations of a dangerous youth of an inferior race, obviously up to no good, toting skittles & all...
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http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2236063&page=2

Any fool can pick a fight, and in Florida, apparently engineer a situation to make homicide seem justifiable, a situation they could easily have avoided entirely.
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ch33zw1z said:
I'll agree with this when Religious groups are treated the same. No tax breaks for churches, etc..
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And this is why I can't argue with fucking stupid liberals like you. There is a big difference between taking taxpayer money and giving it to planned parenthood or any other group and the Church not having to pay taxes.

So take away the tax exempt status from Churches and they won't be able to help the needy. Glad to see you care so much about the poor.
 
Annisman* said:
There are people who care, truly care for these thousands of lives being thrown away by our fellow citizens but can't voice their concern because of political handcuffs.
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Sure they do....that's why our orphanages and group homes are nearly empty.


Oh wait...

:awe:
 
Incorruptible said:
And this is why I can't argue with fucking stupid liberals like you. There is a big difference between taking taxpayer money and giving it to planned parenthood or any other group and the Church not having to pay taxes.

So take away the tax exempt status from Churches and they won't be able to help the needy. Glad to see you care so much about the poor.
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This is why I can't argue with fucking stupid Republicans like you. There is NO difference between not getting revenue by not taxing Churches income and having to take other taxpayer revenue to give it to Planned Parenthood.

Churches should pay taxes:colbert: They are advocates for the causes that are important them, so should pay taxes on their income.
 
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