Why are PCP&C PSUs not high efficency?

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Howard
Of course PC P&C has (and should have) in-house engineers. They need people who know what their PSUs have to do, and it wouldn't be very smart to gloss over QC at their end... but what exactly is it that they do to the PSUs that they receive from Win-tact and Seasonic? Even if they were minor tweaks (and they'd have to be) which the OEM could certainly do themselves, does PC P&C have the manpower to do it to every PSU they receive?

YES.....go visit them sometime they are open to the public...

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee

Originally posted by: Pabster
Looks like the haters are out in full force 😀

PC P&C > everything else. Cry all you want about the price. You get exactly what you pay for.

And you clowns who apparently think PC P&C just takes the guts of a Seasonic have obviously never been inside the power supplies.

PCP&C builds nothing. They are a marketing company, just like Antec markets things built for them.

PCP&C does offer refubed units on thier site 😛 Yeah! I want an over priced refurbed PSU...Getta grip dude. 😉



JEDIYoda, I ask you once again to not quote me or use my nick. You are a fool/tool being fed by Dodson. I will not offer excuses for your idiotcy to fellow members as JBDan once did. Just go away...Please.


...Galvanized

JBDan once did. Just go away...Please. ----YEs my friend did say that as I recall not to me though...mirrors are wonderful huh....GY??

are you high when you post? it hurts to try and make sense of most of what you say. i have a migraine from just skimming through your post above this one.

You have no other recourse than to bash me because you don`t understand...

This whole discussion ( which gets very heatd at times) concerning rebadged verses PSU will the manufacturers name is very old and at times it even leads to people making stuff up just to try to appear as if they know whats going on!!

Rather than point it out here you can iether PM me or read the first 10 or so posts and tell me for yourself......
FYI -- I have already copied and pasted what needs to be kept for archiving purposes as have others 🙂
So if you don`t find it then feel free to PM me and I will PM you the exact text...

Have a good weekend!! 😀

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
YES.....go visit them sometime they are open to the public...

And you don't need to go to China to visit.

 

[Howard]

I don't know...

Storage, offices, and space for what else?

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Originally posted by: Howard
I don't know...

Storage, offices, and space for what else?

Like that's a factory. BWAHAHAHA!

Go to China for a visit at Seasonic or Win-Tact 😉

You fanboyies are really hooked...Did you ever feel the needle go in your arm?
I'd be defensive too if I had over paid for a decent PSU. Next time buy Delta or Zippy.

JY, I blocked your PMs over a year ago...You have nothing I need/want.
Have a nice day 🙂

 

[imported_RedStar]

i skimmed this and saw no mention of why we have the higher efficencies.
I read some blurb that basically said ...having a much larger proportion of the total watts on the 12v will give you the extra efficiency people admire today 🙂

Would people who understand this stuff, agree? If so, efficiency is a mere by product and thus nothing to get excited about. Although, it would mean a 75% efficient PSU might not have enough power on the 12v side of things 🙂 currently 🙂 .

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee

Originally posted by: Howard
I don't know...

Storage, offices, and space for what else?

Like that's a factory. BWAHAHAHA!

Go to China for a visit at Seasonic or Win-Tact 😉

You fanboyies are really hooked...Did you ever feel the needle go in your arm?
I'd be defensive too if I had over paid for a decent PSU. Next time buy Delta or Zippy.

JY, I blocked your PMs over a year ago...You have nothing I need/want.
Have a nice day 🙂

I also have your PM`s turned off...lolol

same likewise...of course we all know you are not nor have you ever expatiated from hands on experience concerning PC Power & Cooling products!

Every one has their vice.....you call us fanboi`s we call your suggestions for the same PSU products also being fanboi-ish.....

You throw the word -- rebadgd around as if it is some sort of deceptive word.......yet in reality you loath the fact that when people mention the words PC Power & Cooling people think of workmanship.....quality and reliabilty........not bad for a rebadged PSU...huh???

Which after the fact is once again examind and checked and modded by there own enginers before shipping to the public......

In fact it has even come to the point where people cannot agree to disagree........

I will even go one further....what do you say to all those Antec customer who have had no issues whatsoever with there PSU`s..........we all know what the mere mention of the word Antec does to some people...lol

You stick to your guns I will stick to mine........

I have been to there facility in Carlsbad and its more than just offices and empty space....

Just for a note of possible interest...
PC Power & Cooling is coming out with a 1k SR version where there will be only 1 - 12volt rail with all 66 amps.........where the 1k now has 3 - 12v rails equaling 66amps(70peak)
have a nice weekend......

😀

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee

Originally posted by: Howard
I don't know...

Storage, offices, and space for what else?

Like that's a factory. BWAHAHAHA!

Go to China for a visit at Seasonic or Win-Tact 😉

You fanboyies are really hooked...Did you ever feel the needle go in your arm?
I'd be defensive too if I had over paid for a decent PSU. Next time buy Delta or Zippy.

JY, I blocked your PMs over a year ago...You have nothing I need/want.
Have a nice day 🙂

I have been to there facility in Carlsbad and its more than just offices and empty space....

Did you inspect all the rooms in the facility? What was going on in the building?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee

Originally posted by: Howard
I don't know...

Storage, offices, and space for what else?

Like that's a factory. BWAHAHAHA!

Go to China for a visit at Seasonic or Win-Tact 😉

You fanboyies are really hooked...Did you ever feel the needle go in your arm?
I'd be defensive too if I had over paid for a decent PSU. Next time buy Delta or Zippy.

JY, I blocked your PMs over a year ago...You have nothing I need/want.
Have a nice day 🙂

I have been to there facility in Carlsbad and its more than just offices and empty space....

Did you inspect all the rooms in the facility? What was going on in the building?

have you ever been there...thats what I thought but since this is Amrica you are entitled to give an opinion even though you have no clue as to the truth of the matter...

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Originally posted by: Howard

I have been to there facility in Carlsbad and its more than just offices and empty space....[/quote]
Did you inspect all the rooms in the facility? What was going on in the building?[/quote]

They repair customer returned PSUs inorder to sell them as refurbs.

Yes PCP&C sells REFERBS. :laugh:

EDIT: Have a nice day 🙂


...Galvanized

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee

Originally posted by: Howard
I don't know...

Storage, offices, and space for what else?

Like that's a factory. BWAHAHAHA!

Go to China for a visit at Seasonic or Win-Tact 😉

You fanboyies are really hooked...Did you ever feel the needle go in your arm?
I'd be defensive too if I had over paid for a decent PSU. Next time buy Delta or Zippy.

JY, I blocked your PMs over a year ago...You have nothing I need/want.
Have a nice day 🙂

I have been to there facility in Carlsbad and its more than just offices and empty space....

Did you inspect all the rooms in the facility? What was going on in the building?

have you ever been there...thats what I thought but since this is Amrica you are entitled to give an opinion even though you have no clue as to the truth of the matter...

No, I have not been there, otherwise I wouldn't be asking you. Has all semblance of logic escaped your frail mind? What is the point of your question? Why do you evade my questions?

EDIT: Why do I know your reply won't answer any of my questions?

 

[Pabster]

OK, let her die. Quit feeding the troll. He's probably still saving his paychecks to be able to finally afford a decent PSU.

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Originally posted by: Pabster
OK, let her die. Quit feeding the troll. He's probably still saving his paychecks to be able to finally afford a decent PSU.

Why? Do ya give up 🙂

Who in the world needs 12V@66A on one rail? Will the harness be 10AWG? 😉

I have a battery charger that will do 14V@50A. Does that count for a big e-pee-pee too?

PCP&C is nothing more than another decent SMPS. MmmmKay

Have a nice day 🙂


...Galvanized

 

[Aluvus]

Originally posted by: RedStar
i skimmed this and saw no mention of why we have the higher efficencies.
I read some blurb that basically said ...having a much larger proportion of the total watts on the 12v will give you the extra efficiency people admire today 🙂

Would people who understand this stuff, agree? If so, efficiency is a mere by product and thus nothing to get excited about. Although, it would mean a 75% efficient PSU might not have enough power on the 12v side of things 🙂 currently 🙂 .

High real-world efficiency is a sign of good design. Proper distribution of rails, use of quality parts, all that good stuff. It can also save you a bit on your power bill. But it's not much of an end in itself.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee

Originally posted by: Howard
I don't know...

Storage, offices, and space for what else?

Like that's a factory. BWAHAHAHA!

Go to China for a visit at Seasonic or Win-Tact 😉

You fanboyies are really hooked...Did you ever feel the needle go in your arm?
I'd be defensive too if I had over paid for a decent PSU. Next time buy Delta or Zippy.

JY, I blocked your PMs over a year ago...You have nothing I need/want.
Have a nice day 🙂

I have been to there facility in Carlsbad and its more than just offices and empty space....

Did you inspect all the rooms in the facility? What was going on in the building?

have you ever been there...thats what I thought but since this is Amrica you are entitled to give an opinion even though you have no clue as to the truth of the matter...

No, I have not been there, otherwise I wouldn't be asking you. Has all semblance of logic escaped your frail mind? What is the point of your question? Why do you evade my questions?

EDIT: Why do I know your reply won't answer any of my questions?

because your questions have no purpose other than to cloud the issue.....
For example.....since I didn`t have to go to the bathroom can we assume they did NOT have a bathroom...so why ask a question with no purpose?

So now that I answered your question...why this silly question in the first place?

as Pabster stated-- OK, let her die. Quit feeding the troll. He's probably still saving his paychecks to be able to finally afford a decent PSU.

Have a good weekend!!! 😀

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee

Originally posted by: Pabster
OK, let her die. Quit feeding the troll. He's probably still saving his paychecks to be able to finally afford a decent PSU.

Why? Do ya give up 🙂

Who in the world needs 12V@66A on one rail? The better questuion would be why not? lol....

Will the harness be 10AWG? 😉

I have a battery charger that will do 14V@50A. Does that count for a big e-pee-pee too?

PCP&C is nothing more than another decent SMPS. MmmmKay

Have a nice day 🙂


...Galvanized

I out of this thread!! No sense feeding the trolls!!

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee

Originally posted by: Howard
I don't know...

Storage, offices, and space for what else?

Like that's a factory. BWAHAHAHA!

Go to China for a visit at Seasonic or Win-Tact 😉

You fanboyies are really hooked...Did you ever feel the needle go in your arm?
I'd be defensive too if I had over paid for a decent PSU. Next time buy Delta or Zippy.

JY, I blocked your PMs over a year ago...You have nothing I need/want.
Have a nice day 🙂

I have been to there facility in Carlsbad and its more than just offices and empty space....

Did you inspect all the rooms in the facility? What was going on in the building?

have you ever been there...thats what I thought but since this is Amrica you are entitled to give an opinion even though you have no clue as to the truth of the matter...

No, I have not been there, otherwise I wouldn't be asking you. Has all semblance of logic escaped your frail mind? What is the point of your question? Why do you evade my questions?

EDIT: Why do I know your reply won't answer any of my questions?

because your questions have no purpose other than to cloud the issue.....
For example.....since I didn`t have to go to the bathroom can we assume they did NOT have a bathroom...so why ask a question with no purpose?

So now that I answered your question...why this silly question in the first place?

You only answered one of them. You are avoiding the other questions.

If you didn't go to the bathroom, that doesn't mean that there wasn't a bathroom, but we cannot say that there IS a bathroom, either.

I'm almost certain that you didn't see the areas where the actual work was performed on the PSUs (if there is), so we don't have any proof that there is or isn't a final mod/tweak performed by the PC P&C staff on the PSUs. That's all I'm talking about, proof - and you don't seem to have any, but you sure are good at "clouding the issue".

If you still don't understand me, then here it is, quite clearly: prove to me that PC P&C modifies the PSUs they get from Win-tact and/or Seasonic before they ship them to distributors.

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

😀

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee

Originally posted by: Howard
I don't know...

Storage, offices, and space for what else?

Like that's a factory. BWAHAHAHA!

Go to China for a visit at Seasonic or Win-Tact 😉

You fanboyies are really hooked...Did you ever feel the needle go in your arm?
I'd be defensive too if I had over paid for a decent PSU. Next time buy Delta or Zippy.

JY, I blocked your PMs over a year ago...You have nothing I need/want.
Have a nice day 🙂

I have been to there facility in Carlsbad and its more than just offices and empty space....

Did you inspect all the rooms in the facility? What was going on in the building?

have you ever been there...thats what I thought but since this is Amrica you are entitled to give an opinion even though you have no clue as to the truth of the matter...

No, I have not been there, otherwise I wouldn't be asking you. Has all semblance of logic escaped your frail mind? What is the point of your question? Why do you evade my questions?

EDIT: Why do I know your reply won't answer any of my questions?

because your questions have no purpose other than to cloud the issue.....
For example.....since I didn`t have to go to the bathroom can we assume they did NOT have a bathroom...so why ask a question with no purpose?

So now that I answered your question...why this silly question in the first place?

You only answered one of them. You are avoiding the other questions.

If you didn't go to the bathroom, that doesn't mean that there wasn't a bathroom, but we cannot say that there IS a bathroom, either.

I'm almost certain that you didn't see the areas where the actual work was performed on the PSUs (if there is), so we don't have any proof that there is or isn't a final mod/tweak performed by the PC P&C staff on the PSUs. That's all I'm talking about, proof - and you don't seem to have any, but you sure are good at "clouding the issue".

If you still don't understand me, then here it is, quite clearly: prove to me that PC P&C modifies the PSUs they get from Win-tact and/or Seasonic before they ship them to distributors.

Prove to me they don`t??? You can`t JEDI--1 Howard --0
Again....Howard add some substance to what your trying to say.....all kinds of people have opinions....please offer up proof...that would be a nice start and proof is well so and so said.....
Yet you can`t even start to give an answer to me how PC Power & Cooling has remained on top for so many years.....
If they were totally 100% made by another company then it would stand to reason that Company X who makes PC Power & Cooling would want to get in on the cash cow and they would also put out there own version.....
So again I ask you other than mere speculation which this all has ben since day 1 on whether PC Power & Cooling does any sort of modd after the fact what proof do you have that they are made 100% by another company......
I will tell you that 2 other companies make the parts and they also make some of there own parts and in the final assembly yes final--not just whatever assembly happens before shupping to PC Power & Cooling.....

So keep speculating all you want it will not prove anything other than you cannot prove me wrong.....
PC Power & Cooling only needs to stand behind its reputation....

Good Night!!

It could be worse--- I could own stock in ANTEC......lolol

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
I out of this thread!! No sense feeding the trolls!!

OK Howard, time to feed the troll 😛


Have a nice day 🙂


...Galvanized

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
(Ed: quote tree cleaned for brevity)

Prove to me they don`t??? You can`t JEDI--1 Howard --0

I don't have to prove that they don't. But take that away from you, and then you've got no reason why PC P&C is so superior to the OEM.

Pabster's probably silent because he knows it's a lost cause. 😛

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
then you go on to prove you have no clue when you say PC Power & Cooling PSU`s does not modify there PSU`s with there own in house Engineers....

I wonder what kind of guy it takes to claim this when they can't prove it. The burden of proof is on you since I didn't claim that they don't.

 

[Pabster]

Actually, Howard, you do need to provide some evidence. You're the one making (false) claims with nothing to back them up. "Oh I saw a thread" or "someone told me" doesn't suffice. Let's see some facts.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Actually, Howard, you do need to provide some evidence. You're the one making (false) claims with nothing to back them up. "Oh I saw a thread" or "someone told me" doesn't suffice. Let's see some facts.

Evidence of what?

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Howard
Evidence of what?

Ah, the stupid defense 😕

You have claimed PC P&C is just a rebadge of another unit. Let's see the proof.

 

[acegazda]

Jedi always has to have his way, he can never be wrong. I had a similar discussion on this topic with him and it went 3 pages before I realized I was wasting my life. Jedi you need to stop avoiding people's questions by asking your own stupid questions. In the grand scoreboard of AT, it goes something like JEDI: -226 Howard: 1500. You get a 1 point penalty stubborness.